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With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#1681 » by Madhouse » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:10 pm

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anotherhomer wrote:Maybe you right.
His 3PT% may still hover around the same stats next year
but hopefully, he'll look more comfortable taking them next year, in various ways.

If he eventually hovers around the 35-37% mark in a few years, i think that be fantastic
Even 33-34% would help greatly.



I think he improves to 37-38% next year. Shooting motion will get sped up.

That's a masssssive leap from 30%. I'd take the under on that for sure. My guess is he'll flirt around the 33% mark next year.

Siakam's jump to 37% in his MIP year was surprising for all. I'm thinking the presence of Kawhi had a lot to do with it. He's since regressed YOY in terms of percentage and attempts, as he changes his game to more on-ball.

I would think that also applies to Barnes. More ball handling responsibility might prevent him from getting as many 3's up. He's injured, but 0/5 from 3 in the playoffs so far. Not great, but obviously small sample.


It's not a really massive leap. Lots of 2nd year, 3rd year players go from 30 to 40%. VC did it as well.

Maxey went from a 30 to 43% shooter even.

I'm gonna say 37% on about 4 attempts per game.

Put the work in and you'll get there quickly. See Precious, 3.9 attempts, 39% since ASB.

Very doable.
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Post#1682 » by anotherhomer » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:55 pm

I think that's what Scottie's doing right now.

He's only taking open 3s mostly, and he has to do it, to keep the opponent honest, even if it's not efficient
I don't think i agree with Madhouse's projections that he go up to 37%.

When I see Scottie's shooting form, in comparison to Precious or Franz Wagner, it needs a lot of work still.

I think 33% would be reasonable, and considered good progress.

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anotherhomer wrote:I think if he can get to 33% on the same shot attempts, I think that would be great

But if it stays at 30% with increased amount of jumpers, that can be a good thing too

ontnut wrote:That's a masssssive leap from 30%. I'd take the under on that for sure. My guess is he'll flirt around the 33% mark next year.

30% from 3 would be an inefficient shot for him. 0.9ppa
He shoots 54% from 2. 1.08ppa

If he's shooting 30% from 3, I'd much rather him take those nice 2's around the rim he's so good at.

To equal his efficiency from 2, he'd have to shoot 36% from 3. So as long as he's shooting below that league average 35-36%, I'd much rather him take the occassional 3 when he's wide open, and spend the rest of his possessions getting to the hoop and setting others up.
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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#1683 » by ontnut » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:25 am

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I think he improves to 37-38% next year. Shooting motion will get sped up.

That's a masssssive leap from 30%. I'd take the under on that for sure. My guess is he'll flirt around the 33% mark next year.

Siakam's jump to 37% in his MIP year was surprising for all. I'm thinking the presence of Kawhi had a lot to do with it. He's since regressed YOY in terms of percentage and attempts, as he changes his game to more on-ball.

I would think that also applies to Barnes. More ball handling responsibility might prevent him from getting as many 3's up. He's injured, but 0/5 from 3 in the playoffs so far. Not great, but obviously small sample.


It's not a really massive leap. Lots of 2nd year, 3rd year players go from 30 to 40%. VC did it as well.

Maxey went from a 30 to 43% shooter even.

I'm gonna say 37% on about 4 attempts per game.

Put the work in and you'll get there quickly. See Precious, 3.9 attempts, 39% since ASB.

Very doable.

Maybe. I think it's a high expectation, but it's been done before as you said.

I just think with the role he's playing he probably wont' get there, his focus might be elsewhere. But we'll see!
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Post#1684 » by Ell Curry » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:41 am

xAIRNESSx wrote:There were some rumours our board was:

1. Mobley
2. Scottie
3. Cade


This is the board you'd have if you loved size and mobility and energy, with Wagner or Kuminga 4th and 5th in some order, so I buy it. The Thad Young board basically. Maybe Jalen Johnson was like 9th or 10th, though I'm not sure about his energy levels.
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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#1685 » by Los_29 » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:38 am

Ell Curry wrote:
xAIRNESSx wrote:There were some rumours our board was:

1. Mobley
2. Scottie
3. Cade


This is the board you'd have if you loved size and mobility and energy, with Wagner or Kuminga 4th and 5th in some order, so I buy it. The Thad Young board basically. Maybe Jalen Johnson was like 9th or 10th, though I'm not sure about his energy levels.


I don’t think Kuminga was high on our board. He just doesn’t have a feel for the game and I’m really not sure what he can do out there aside from score while playing with a bunch of hall of famers.

He hasn’t grabbed a single rebound in the playoffs. He’s played 4 games.
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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#1686 » by God Squad » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:56 am

Los_29 wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
xAIRNESSx wrote:There were some rumours our board was:

1. Mobley
2. Scottie
3. Cade


This is the board you'd have if you loved size and mobility and energy, with Wagner or Kuminga 4th and 5th in some order, so I buy it. The Thad Young board basically. Maybe Jalen Johnson was like 9th or 10th, though I'm not sure about his energy levels.


I don’t think Kuminga was high on our board. He just doesn’t have a feel for the game and I’m really not sure what he can do out there aside from score while playing with a bunch of hall of famers.

He hasn’t grabbed a single rebound in the playoffs. He’s played 4 games.

Preach. Minga has such a bad feel for the game. He's a lot like Green in the sense that he's not much of a passer, rebounder and defender. But their athleticism is unmatched in this class.

Green has better potential as a passer, while Minga has better potential as a defender. Both worse than Barnes/Mobley/Cade in auxiliary stats though.
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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#1687 » by Ell Curry » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:42 pm

Los_29 wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
xAIRNESSx wrote:There were some rumours our board was:

1. Mobley
2. Scottie
3. Cade


This is the board you'd have if you loved size and mobility and energy, with Wagner or Kuminga 4th and 5th in some order, so I buy it. The Thad Young board basically. Maybe Jalen Johnson was like 9th or 10th, though I'm not sure about his energy levels.


I don’t think Kuminga was high on our board. He just doesn’t have a feel for the game and I’m really not sure what he can do out there aside from score while playing with a bunch of hall of famers.

He hasn’t grabbed a single rebound in the playoffs. He’s played 4 games.


I think we were rumored to like him? He is way behind the others, but 20-7-2-1-1-1 per 36 for a 19 year old on 51/33/68 splits is pretty damn good, even on a team with Steph Curry drawing that much attention.
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