2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

Ell Curry · Post #1681 » by **Ell Curry** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:15 am

If we drill down to us wanting 8 rotation guys and size not mattering as long as nobody is smaller than Trent:

We have 5 we like.

I'd collectively count one of Boucher/Banton/Achiuwa as one. Boucher is in all our best lineup combinations so I think we keep him for another 1-3 year type deal as a bridge for Banton/Achiuwa and hope one of them can become one, but the odds are still unlikely even though I'd bet on a yes from Banton and no from Achiuwa. Banton looks good, but he's also 22 already. If he entered the draft at 20 and this was his 3rd year we'd be thinking he'll never be a starter. So let's call that #8.

#6 comes via the draft, and BPA will probably be a guard/wing, looking at this draft or a surprise falling lotto guy we like as seems to happen every 2nd draft or so.

#7 was probably supposed to come via the Dragic/Achiuwa trade either via Achiuwa being good or but who the hell knows if it will.

The MLE options look bad and we don't have cap space. But if we turn Dragic into a player with money left in 2022 and a good 2nd rounder, maybe we can then turn that 2nd rounder and our own first next year into a decent player at the deadline. Basically, I think we're gonna roll over the movie and get a small asset for doing it, then look to combine that expiring, the asset and one of our own for the 7th player.

Ell Curry · Post #1682 » by **Ell Curry** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:23 am

Nobody even fantasizing about Beal, but Siakam, a first rounder and Dragic for Beal and Bertans works, as does Dragic + Boucher + Birch + 4 firsts or Trent + Dragic + 3 firsts or change the picks however you like. Obviously he'd have to agree to the super max and we'd have to be comfortable giving him the supermax for his age 29-33 seasons which is scary in its own right.

tecumseh18 · Post #1683 » by **tecumseh18** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:48 pm

Hmm, Jak and White (and Murray) didn't play last night. Jak apparently had back pain, White was load management.

Hmm?

Zeno · Post #1684 » by **Zeno** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:00 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:Hmm, Jak and White (and Murray) didn't play last night. Jak apparently had back pain, White was load management.

Hmm?

Hopefully they trade for Dame and sign Harden and Beal just so we can all laugh at Morey.

Backcountry · Post #1685 » by **Backcountry** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:19 pm

Got excited for a moment when I saw a headline on Sportsnet that said "Garland potentially available for trade", then unexcited when I realized it was Conor Garland, a forward with the Vancouver Canucks. :lol:

Oakvillehoops · Post #1686 » by **Oakvillehoops** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:48 pm

Would anyone consider a deal around OG for Wiseman? Fill our 5 hole and balance our roster going forward.

I think we’ve seen enough to know that OG will only ever be an elite role player who spends a lot of time injured

OG would likely guarantee GS another chip with an insane death line up

bobbyp3588 · Post #1687 » by **bobbyp3588** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:04 pm

Oakvillehoops wrote:Would anyone consider a deal around OG for Wiseman? Fill our 5 hole and balance our roster going forward.

I think we’ve seen enough to know that OG will only ever be an elite role player who spends a lot of time injured

OG would likely guarantee GS another chip with an insane death line up

Pfffft. No. That’s utterly ridiculous.

For Wiseman, Moody, and Kuminga, then maybe?

Raptorfan2012 · Post #1688 » by **Raptorfan2012** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:05 pm

Oakvillehoops wrote:Would anyone consider a deal around OG for Wiseman? Fill our 5 hole and balance our roster going forward.

I think we’ve seen enough to know that OG will only ever be an elite role player who spends a lot of time injured

OG would likely guarantee GS another chip with an insane death line up

If you are trading OG, you will need way more than just Wiseman. I want all their young prospects - include Moody and Kuminga, then we can talk.

bluerap23 · Post #1689 » by **bluerap23** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:13 pm

Ell Curry wrote:Nobody even fantasizing about Beal, but Siakam, a first rounder and Dragic for Beal and Bertans works, as does Dragic + Boucher + Birch + 4 firsts or Trent + Dragic + 3 firsts or change the picks however you like. Obviously he'd have to agree to the super max and we'd have to be comfortable giving him the supermax for his age 29-33 seasons which is scary in its own right.

You want to trade Siakam AND a 1st rounder for someone that is on an expiring contract and another dude that is on one of the worst contracts in the league?

bluerap23 · Post #1690 » by **bluerap23** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:14 pm

Zeno wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:Hmm, Jak and White (and Murray) didn't play last night. Jak apparently had back pain, White was load management.

Hmm?

Hopefully they trade for Dame and sign Harden and Beal just so we can all laugh at Morey.

They are a low-key sleeper for Harden in Free agency.

Post #1691 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:53 pm

Oakvillehoops wrote:Would anyone consider a deal around OG for Wiseman? Fill our 5 hole and balance our roster going forward.

At this point Wiseman's value is almost entirely based on where he was drafted rather than his abilities as a player;
If you moved OG to the Warriors he could be included but the value gap between OG and Wiseman at this point is pretty significant.

Asif16 · Post #1692 » by **Asif16** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:58 pm

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Asif16 · Post #1693 » by **Asif16** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:59 pm

If Dinwiddie's value is really this low....I would happily do a Dragic + 2nd for Dinwiddie. THe Wizards get rid of the contract with an expiring and get a pick back in the process

Maybe he bounces back with us. He fits the bill exactly of what we need off the bench

Madhouse · Post #1694 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:03 pm

Oakvillehoops wrote:Would anyone consider a deal around OG for Wiseman? Fill our 5 hole and balance our roster going forward.

I think we’ve seen enough to know that OG will only ever be an elite role player who spends a lot of time injured

OG would likely guarantee GS another chip with an insane death line up

No.

Los_29 · Post #1695 » by **Los_29** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:19 pm

Ell Curry wrote:Nobody even fantasizing about Beal, but Siakam, a first rounder and Dragic for Beal and Bertans works, as does Dragic + Boucher + Birch + 4 firsts or Trent + Dragic + 3 firsts or change the picks however you like. Obviously he'd have to agree to the super max and we'd have to be comfortable giving him the supermax for his age 29-33 seasons which is scary in its own right.

I honestly think Masai values Pascal more than a guy like Beal. I get some bad vibes when watching Beal play. He's also older than Pascal.

Los_29 · Post #1696 » by **Los_29** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:20 pm

bobbyp3588 wrote:
Oakvillehoops wrote:Would anyone consider a deal around OG for Wiseman? Fill our 5 hole and balance our roster going forward.

I think we’ve seen enough to know that OG will only ever be an elite role player who spends a lot of time injured

OG would likely guarantee GS another chip with an insane death line up

Pfffft. No. That’s utterly ridiculous.

For Wiseman, Moody, and Kuminga, then maybe?

Even that deal is ridiculous. :lol:

Zeno · Post #1697 » by **Zeno** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:21 pm

Asif16 wrote:If Dinwiddie's value is really this low....I would happily do a Dragic + 2nd for Dinwiddie. THe Wizards get rid of the contract with an expiring and get a pick back in the process

Maybe he bounces back with us. He fits the bill exactly of what we need off the bench

I heard someone saying his numbers when Beal is off the court are fantastic. It also wouldn't be the 1st time a guy struggled 1st year coming back from an acl. I'm not completely against getting him like some here.

Post #1698 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:32 pm

Any idea why Dinwiddie's teammates don't want him there?
Its one thing to be off your game, its another to have the locker-room turn on you.

Psubs · Post #1699 » by **Psubs** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:32 pm

Sexton isn't coming back this season. Would the Cavs trade the Spurs 2nd pick for Malachi Flynn and cash?

mademan · Post #1700 » by **mademan** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:47 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Any idea why Dinwiddie's teammates don't want him there?
Its one thing to be off your game, its another to have the locker-room turn on you.

Have they turned on him? Feels more like it's a dumpster fire of a locker room. I didnt know Dinwiddie was the centre of it all. Feels like Dinwiddie and Beal have problems and Dinwiddie kind of alluded to it in the last post game press conference, but im not sure if it extends to everyone else