2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[aminiaturebuddha]

I've really come around to the idea of trying to trade into another pick early to mid-lottery, whether that's a Siakam trade or what. I think we could build a future backcourt in one night. If it's possible to get Scoot, great. But even if not, try to get a 4-8 pick to take Cason Wallace and then use 13 on someone like Bufkin or Coulibaly (who I think can play 2 in the NBA).

A lineup of the following is intriguing (not great next year but serious growth potential):
C - Poeltl
F - Barnes
F - OG
G - Coulibaly/Bufkin
G - Wallace

And then possibly try to sign-and-trade Fred and/or Gary for some depth.

Maybe still missing elite top end talent (unless Barnes and one of those rookies really take off), but at least it's more balanced and we can build from there. I also don't think we're going to be able to address the top end talent gap this summer anyway.

[ArthurVandelay]

People still sleeping on Coulibaly. He’s playing significant minutes as an 18.5 year old in first Division France, playing for the championship. The reason he is playing is for his defense…that translates. His offense also continues to show improvement and growth.

He isn’t a 5 year project. This kid can play next year due to his D alone although I hope he’s getting a lot of burn in GLeague. By his third year he could be starting, and I don’t think that is a stretch.

[gbball]

I dont think we take Bilal tbh. I think the pressure of needing better fitting players will be too much. Unless we actually go in a rebuilding direction (trade Siakam) or move up with an OG trade that gets us a guard, i just dont see them taking a guy who will sparsely play next year while having no pick the year after.

Probably not the right way to look at it, but ultimately, some dudes FO jobs are gonna be on the line. I just see no way they bring back a similar roster and take a project. We only take coulibaly if there are massive changes coming, imo

That's never been their philosophy. Dan Tolzman said so in a recent article, that they go for the best talent even if it's not a positional fit. I don't think jobs are on the line they all got re-signed 2 years ago to extensions.

eh, ill believe it if i see it. The title gave them a lot of leeway, but eventually, there will be expectations again. We trade our pick last year and got a project in Koloko (who wouldnt play on any team with an average C rotation), missed the playoffs and then drafted another project who wont be a guy for at least a couple seasons?

Ya i just dont see it. If it was a 2nd first rounder, sure. If the Raps went to a youth movement and traded Siakam, sure. But if we're bringing back our 3 forwards that we start, i just see no way we add another forward project. You can have an overarching philosophy, but in practice, this is a hard pick to make. And projects are inherently riskier (lower floor, higher ceiling). Besides Scottie, we havent really hit on the draft since like 2017. There's an entire scouting department and Masai got his name as a scout...they cant keep missing.

Bilal isn't a forward. He projects as a 2, maybe a 3. He's quick, can slash and is a solid ball handler.

[OakleyDokely]

Being Hawaiian/Indigenous, old and short doesn't make someone a circus freak. They look at a lot of players every year, most of them won't make the NBA. Some might make their Gleague team or summer league. This kid overcame some crazy odds to make it from a northernmost community in Alaska to play division 1 basketball. Most people would look at this workout as a feel good story, not an opportunity to take cheap shots at the player and the front office.

It would be silly to overlook players possibly available in the undrafted market.

It sure would. That's why you bring in players projected to be UDFA's who don't suck as much as Hepa with the limited amount of workouts you can schedule. The guy is 23 years old went up against awful competition and all he could do was hit 3's and grab boards solidly.

And all those guys are circus freak prospects by NBA standards, nobody brought race into this but you ATL. Go cuddle with them.

I'd say a guy close to 7ft who hit nearly 40% of his 3s in the NCAA is definitely worth a look.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It would be silly to overlook players possibly available in the undrafted market.

It sure would. That's why you bring in players projected to be UDFA's who don't suck as much as Hepa with the limited amount of workouts you can schedule. The guy is 23 years old went up against awful competition and all he could do was hit 3's and grab boards solidly.

And all those guys are circus freak prospects by NBA standards, nobody brought race into this but you ATL. Go cuddle with them.

I'd say a guy close to 7ft who hit nearly 40% of his 3s in the NCAA is definitely worth a look.

His definition of a circus freak is now tall guys that rebound and hit 3s. Thin act wearing thinner.

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It sure would. That's why you bring in players projected to be UDFA's who don't suck as much as Hepa with the limited amount of workouts you can schedule. The guy is 23 years old went up against awful competition and all he could do was hit 3's and grab boards solidly.

And all those guys are circus freak prospects by NBA standards, nobody brought race into this but you ATL. Go cuddle with them.

I'd say a guy close to 7ft who hit nearly 40% of his 3s in the NCAA is definitely worth a look.

His definition of a circus freak is now tall guys that rebound and hit 3s. Thin act wearing thinner.

Go cuddle with Nowell and tell him he looks 5'11 and that Williams looks like he's 22.

[OakleyDokely]

It sure would. That's why you bring in players projected to be UDFA's who don't suck as much as Hepa with the limited amount of workouts you can schedule. The guy is 23 years old went up against awful competition and all he could do was hit 3's and grab boards solidly.

And all those guys are circus freak prospects by NBA standards, nobody brought race into this but you ATL. Go cuddle with them.

I'd say a guy close to 7ft who hit nearly 40% of his 3s in the NCAA is definitely worth a look.

His definition of a circus freak is now tall guys that rebound and hit 3s. Thin act wearing thinner.

teams looking for size and shooting, who would've thought of that.

[HumbleRen]

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[dozo]

I wonder who'd be looking at drafting if we didn't trade for Poeltl. He really filled a hole on this team for the foreseeable future. Now we can likely focus on filling in the holes at the guard position.

If we didn't trade for Poeltl, we'd have a top 10 pick right now. Doubt they would use it on a center.

If we were picking 10th, I'd still want Coulibaly. He has a chance to be the best player in the draft for a team that's patient.

Edit: top 10 is probably too much of a reach for him. So I'm looking at the bright side. Had we had a top 5 pick in Giannis' year do we risk taking him that high? We're in a perfect draft range to have a good shot a high upside project. Not too high to take him, not so low that there's a high chance of missing him.

We had two major holes on the team, now it's just one. It doesn't matter how you get the pieces, so long as you get them. Masai thinks Peoltl can be a starting Center on a championship team. Now we have a chance to add a high ceiling 3 level scorer with athleticism and defense.

A player like Coulibaly will bring some much needed optimism to the team.

The thought of losing a lottery selection for a starter/rotation player doesn't sit well with me. BPA is the way to go, let Flynn start. I'm ready for 16 win season and a top 6 selection in 2024.

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His agent probably told him to make the Brown, Edwards comparisons. One and done guys who didn't tear it up but had projectability.

[mademan]

Cam Whitmore has a real star quality to his game. Love him on the Pacers beside Hali

[DG88]

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[WuTang_CMB]

So far this how I think it shakes out

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. CHAR - Miller
3. POR - Scoot (keeping it)
4. HOU - Amen
5. DET - Hendricks
6. ORL - Ausur
7. Indy - Jarace
8. Wash - Whitmore
9. Utah - Dick
10. Dal - Cason
11. ORL - NSJ
12. OKC - Leonard M
13. TOR - Bufkin or Couli

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

So far this how I think it shakes out

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. CHAR - Miller
3. POR - Scoot (keeping it)
4. HOU - Amen
5. DET - Hendricks
6. ORL - Ausur
7. Indy - Jarace
8. Wash - Whitmore
9. Utah - Dick
10. Dal - Cason
11. ORL - NSJ
12. OKC - Leonard M
13. TOR - Bufkin or Couli

I think Lively has to go somewhere in there and that Dick falls not so much based on what he does but other players just having more complete games w better two-way ability.

[DG88]

So far this how I think it shakes out

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. CHAR - Miller
3. POR - Scoot (keeping it)
4. HOU - Amen
5. DET - Hendricks
6. ORL - Ausur
7. Indy - Jarace
8. Wash - Whitmore
9. Utah - Dick
10. Dal - Cason
11. ORL - NSJ
12. OKC - Leonard M
13. TOR - Bufkin or Couli

Black falls to NOP??

[mademan]

Black isnt falling past Washington

[HumbleRen]

So far this how I think it shakes out

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. CHAR - Miller
3. POR - Scoot (keeping it)
4. HOU - Amen
5. DET - Hendricks
6. ORL - Ausur
7. Indy - Jarace
8. Wash - Whitmore
9. Utah - Dick
10. Dal - Cason
11. ORL - NSJ
12. OKC - Leonard M
13. TOR - Bufkin or Couli

No Black ?? NSJ to Orlando ???

This would be a wild draft lol.

[WuTang_CMB]

So far this how I think it shakes out

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. CHAR - Miller
3. POR - Scoot (keeping it)
4. HOU - Amen
5. DET - Hendricks
6. ORL - Ausur
7. Indy - Jarace
8. Wash - Whitmore
9. Utah - Dick
10. Dal - Cason
11. ORL - NSJ
12. OKC - Leonard M
13. TOR - Bufkin or Couli

No Black ?? NSJ to Orlando ???

This would be a wild draft lol.

oops lol

Black to ORL @ 11

NSJ to New Orleans

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His agent probably told him to make the Brown, Edwards comparisons. One and done guys who didn't tear it up but had projectability.

I thought he did pretty well. I think the JB comparison is very apt as a prosect.