Official RJ Barrett Thread

brownbobcat · Post #1682 » by **brownbobcat** » Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:54 am

Scase wrote:That's the thing I don't think they are careless, I see what he's trying to do, I just don't think he has the prerequisite skills to actually do it. That's why I see them as unforced vs careless, he's making bad decisions, but he's not doing it cause he's lazy, he just is doing more than he is capable of.

He definitely has room for improvement, but we also need to be realistic by how much. He's never going to be a good or even average defender, being a highly efficient player over a large sample size is probably not likely either, his game is always going to be easy to defend unless he becomes very reliable from 3, and so on.

When I say "He's not a long term piece" I don't mean it as he can't be on the team for years, but more so in his current role I don't think he can be, and the team be successful at the same time. But if he were to accept a 6th man role, I'd happily keep him around.

We're kinda saying the same thing. As-is, he's not super impressive as a starter - sort of that Tobias Harris tier where he doesn't stand out on a good squad but some team will probably always pay him. He needs to work on his shooting. A guy his size should be able to add high post pivot footwork like DeRozan.

MEDIC · Post #1683 » by **MEDIC** » Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:33 pm

brownbobcat wrote:
Scase wrote:That's the thing I don't think they are careless, I see what he's trying to do, I just don't think he has the prerequisite skills to actually do it. That's why I see them as unforced vs careless, he's making bad decisions, but he's not doing it cause he's lazy, he just is doing more than he is capable of.

He definitely has room for improvement, but we also need to be realistic by how much. He's never going to be a good or even average defender, being a highly efficient player over a large sample size is probably not likely either, his game is always going to be easy to defend unless he becomes very reliable from 3, and so on.

When I say "He's not a long term piece" I don't mean it as he can't be on the team for years, but more so in his current role I don't think he can be, and the team be successful at the same time. But if he were to accept a 6th man role, I'd happily keep him around.

We're kinda saying the same thing. As-is, he's not super impressive as a starter - sort of that Tobias Harris tier where he doesn't stand out on a good squad but some team will probably always pay him. He needs to work on his shooting. A guy his size should be able to add high post pivot footwork like DeRozan.

Funny, I think he knows it. He reached out to DD & asked to train with him..

One thing I noticed about RJ over the last few games is his post defense is actually pretty good. He made it tough for some some.bigger/ longer PF's to score in the post. Sometimes he simply got outsized though.

Right now I see RJ kind of like a running back in football. If you can give him the ball while he is on the move, he can do something with it. From a standstill triple threat position.....not so much..

RJ needs a solid QB to do what he does best.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1684 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:51 pm

I think it's been sorted out. The increase in self-created offense plays against his strengths. Watch how many years Davion has to shoot a 3. Watch how Mogbo looks lost half a foot from the basket. There's just too many guys that can't make plays with the ball, and RJ doesn't have the discipline to turn down difficult shots/early shotclock shots.

This team has good enough talent to compete. Scottie/IQ and Kelly all out are three of our better decision-makers. It's a lot of brains out the window. RJ will never be accused of being passive or methodical.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #1685 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:58 pm

The problem is, with Dick off the floor...who's he passing to?

Vampirate · Post #1686 » by **Vampirate** » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:43 am

There will be crap games from RJ but i'll say.

He had a very good game today.

22 Pts, 18 shots, 6 Rbs, 7 assists, 1 TO 1 blk, +14

ImaBeatDatAzz · Post #1687 » by **ImaBeatDatAzz** » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:12 am

you (hopefully) draft Ace Bailey and then look to trade RJ barrett for a good future Center. our lineup next year would be Quickley/Dick/Bailey/Barnes/?

ive been saying for YEARS that i hope we go for Naz Reid when the time is right. give him starting role and good money

djsunyc · Post #1688 » by **djsunyc** » Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:14 pm

Vampirate wrote:There will be crap games from RJ but i'll say.

He had a very good game today.

22 Pts, 18 shots, 6 Rbs, 7 assists, 1 TO 1 blk, +14

there was a pretty big emphasis by masai when we got rj in how we would use him. we had to get away from some of it b/c of all the injuries. for him, this is also the first time he's the primary ball handling scorer for a team (had randle when he started in ny and then brunson). it's gonna look ugly at times in that role. it's all a process. either he will start playing better in that role (like he did vs. the pistons) or he will continue to have issues. whatever the case, that is not the role initially envisioned for him.

raincityraptors · Post #1689 » by **raincityraptors** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 12:10 am

I can't tell if RJ is playing hero ball or if players aren't cutting enough to give him lanes.

His on ball defense is quite encouraging. He is learning how to use his strength on that end.

I know his legs are tired and opposing teams are planning for him.

I do think these on ball reps will be good for him long term.

He needs to find a reliable in-between move in the offseason.

I know he's slumping but I am going to show him support because he is my favorite player regardless.

Keep at it RJ!

Scase · Post #1690 » by **Scase** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:15 pm

His shooting was awful but can't complain about the overall performance at all, if he's gonna be bad from an efficiency standpoint, at least he's contributing a lot elsewhere.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1691 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:32 pm

He'll be the 6MOY next season.

A guy you can expect to average 20/5/5 off the bench, while leading the second unit.

Davion and Shead are both incapable of creating for others and facilitating the offense, RJ can and will be that guy.

If any of our starters go down, RJ can easily slide into the starting lineup.
The perfect piece to have, capable of playing multiple positions.

manjusaka · Post #1692 » by **manjusaka** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:35 pm

Scase wrote:His shooting was awful but can't complain about the overall performance at all, if he's gonna be bad from an efficiency standpoint, at least he's contributing a lot elsewhere.

While his scoring efficiency was not there. His overall all game expanded. I would have not expected him to run the offence at his current level, when he was labeled tunnel vision at the time of the trade.

Mattatron · Post #1693 » by **Mattatron** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:37 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:He'll be the 6MOY next season.

A guy you can expect to average 20/5/5 off the bench, while leading the second unit.

Davion and Shead are both incapable of creating for others and facilitating the offense, RJ can and will be that guy.

His assists are mostly transition assists. He's not a playmaker and he will definitely not put up 20/5/5 when coming off the bench. And definitely not 6moy while having a negative record as a team and his efficiency sucks and his usage is too high. Guys like Fred, Monk, Lou Will, J-Crossover are perfect 6thm players. And rj will definitely not be fine with being a bench player. Holy... they should just trade him.

djsunyc · Post #1694 » by **djsunyc** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:32 pm

https://bsky.app/profile/justesbaraheni.bsky.social/post/3lb5xuddj5k2p

After last night:

RJ Barrett is 17th in PnR possessions as a Ballhandler (including passes)

He’s #1 in PPP among the top 20 generating over 1.21 PPP.

Better than: Trae, Dame, LaMelo, Luka, SGA, etc

Poeltl is in the top 5 in PnR possessions as the roll man

Only AD scores more PPP than him.

Scase · Post #1695 » by **Scase** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 9:01 pm

manjusaka wrote:
Scase wrote:His shooting was awful but can't complain about the overall performance at all, if he's gonna be bad from an efficiency standpoint, at least he's contributing a lot elsewhere.

While his scoring efficiency was not there. His overall all game expanded. I would have not expected him to run the offence at his current level, when he was labeled tunnel vision at the time of the trade.

While some of this is true, his scoring efficiency isn't just "not there", he's got the 8th lowest TS% in the entire league, a whopping 0.2% ahead of FVV. He also has by far the highest FGA out of anyone on that list.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1696 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 9:03 pm

djsunyc wrote:https://bsky.app/profile/justesbaraheni.bsky.social/post/3lb5xuddj5k2p

After last night:

RJ Barrett is 17th in PnR possessions as a Ballhandler (including passes)

He’s #1 in PPP among the top 20 generating over 1.21 PPP.

Better than: Trae, Dame, LaMelo, Luka, SGA, etc

Poeltl is in the top 5 in PnR possessions as the roll man

Only AD scores more PPP than him.

It's also impressive since he can't come off a screen and hit a 3 like all those other players. Good start to the season, all things considered.

MEDIC · Post #1697 » by **MEDIC** » Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:02 pm

Scase wrote:His shooting was awful but can't complain about the overall performance at all, if he's gonna be bad from an efficiency standpoint, at least he's contributing a lot elsewhere.

The guy almost helped carry us to win over Boston & had a triple double with 20+ pts.

You frontload your comment with "his shooting was awful"

Scase · Post #1698 » by **Scase** » Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:19 am

MEDIC wrote:
Scase wrote:His shooting was awful but can't complain about the overall performance at all, if he's gonna be bad from an efficiency standpoint, at least he's contributing a lot elsewhere.

The guy almost helped carry us to win over Boston & had a triple double with 20+ pts.

You frontload your comment with "his shooting was awful"

Front load? It's basic facts, his shooting was awful, but he stepped up with the rest of his game, don't get your panties in such a bunch. He is currently the 8th worst in the NBA by TS%, a mere 0.2% better than FVV. His efficiency is absolutely something that should be addressed.

Ell Curry · Post #1699 » by **Ell Curry** » Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:56 am

I now kind of think he'll stick around because otherwise we won't have any contracts to move in say 2.5 years at the deadline when we're hopefully good and he's a 30M expiring contract.

LastNameEver · Post #1700 » by **LastNameEver** » Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:04 pm

djsunyc wrote:https://bsky.app/profile/justesbaraheni.bsky.social/post/3lb5xuddj5k2p

After last night:

RJ Barrett is 17th in PnR possessions as a Ballhandler (including passes)

He’s #1 in PPP among the top 20 generating over 1.21 PPP.

Better than: Trae, Dame, LaMelo, Luka, SGA, etc

Poeltl is in the top 5 in PnR possessions as the roll man

Only AD scores more PPP than him.

Wow.