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Post#1681 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:15 pm

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Yallbecrazy wrote:he has 5 assists in 8 games/ 267 minutes, so yes.


as a stat guy. does anyone standout as a comparison? seems unique to me.


I saw KD as a comparison, but as a college player KD averaged 26/11/1.3 with 4 stocks. His BPM was 8.8, ws/40 .280. That's a statistical giant in college. He was also 2 inches taller, but whatever.

Right now Ace projects as a bust pick in the top 5. Stylistically I think he's closer to a TJ Warren-type. Shot creation at all 3 levels is a 3 level scorer. Creating your own jump shot is something that a lot of non-stars can do, too.
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Post#1682 » by Yallbecrazy » Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:23 pm

Reeko wrote:I think CMB is going to be very high on the Raptors board.



Hope so, he gets so many stocks and he showed last year he can be an excellent complementary piece on offense without a shot. This year he is showing flashes of a shot and being the primary creator.

He's not going to be a rookie of the year type, but is a safe bet to be a positive player in the league and has a ton of upside as well if the shot continues to develop.
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Post#1684 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:03 pm

I don't get the Ben Simmons dig, it's not an either/or.
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Post#1685 » by Morse Code » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:51 pm

The No Ceilings guys are so weird. Quite often they’re wrong as well
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Post#1687 » by DG88 » Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:58 pm

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It's not about the assists it's about game feel. Too often when the ball gets into his hands it sticks and it comes down to him making a tough shot to bail out the offense. An example would be if he gets double teamed, with his height he can see over the defense and make a pass to the open man. Instead he'd try a fade away jumpshot and you hope he makes it.

His strength and handle will improve with age but it's the decision making that is what people find lacking with Ace.
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Post#1689 » by billy_hoyle » Sun Dec 15, 2024 5:55 pm

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Yallbecrazy wrote:he has 5 assists in 8 games/ 267 minutes, so yes.


as a stat guy. does anyone standout as a comparison? seems unique to me.


I saw KD as a comparison, but as a college player KD averaged 26/11/1.3 with 4 stocks. His BPM was 8.8, ws/40 .280. That's a statistical giant in college. He was also 2 inches taller, but whatever.

Right now Ace projects as a bust pick in the top 5. Stylistically I think he's closer to a TJ Warren-type. Shot creation at all 3 levels is a 3 level scorer. Creating your own jump shot is something that a lot of non-stars can do, too.


By 'projects as a bust pick', you mean statistically based on BPM and ws/40.

His actual skill set is still on display. He's avg 18 and 7 as a freshman coming off an injury.

This will be a very interesting player to see how they turnout from a stats vs skills perspective.

If I remember correctly, ATL, you were also very down on Ant Edwards.
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Post#1690 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:18 pm

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as a stat guy. does anyone standout as a comparison? seems unique to me.


I saw KD as a comparison, but as a college player KD averaged 26/11/1.3 with 4 stocks. His BPM was 8.8, ws/40 .280. That's a statistical giant in college. He was also 2 inches taller, but whatever.

Right now Ace projects as a bust pick in the top 5. Stylistically I think he's closer to a TJ Warren-type. Shot creation at all 3 levels is a 3 level scorer. Creating your own jump shot is something that a lot of non-stars can do, too.


By 'projects as a bust pick', you mean statistically based on BPM and ws/40.

His actual skill set is still on display. He's avg 18 and 7 as a freshman coming off an injury.

This will be a very interesting player to see how they turnout from a stats vs skills perspective.

If I remember correctly, ATL, you were also very down on Ant Edwards.


I don't remember what I thought about Edwards before the draft, but I remember that being a weak draft.

Edwards' BPM was 5.5. I do have a threshold that's above even 2, but I just make a note of it that Bailey is still below 2 (I just use college-reference's calculation as my standard). If you can find a star that had a < 2 in their draft year, please let me know.

A bust pick in the top 5 means someone that won't be close to the 5 best players in the draft to me. Bailey has proven he can shoot, has size and can rebound and defend a little. Tall shooters are valuable in the NBA. He will also get a long leash as a top pick as he enters the "I can fix him" carousel.

If there's something about his injury that prevents him from moving the ball, I guess it's a valid excuse. To me it's a red flag.
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Post#1691 » by Flush » Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:13 pm

I'm not particularly high on Ace either but I can definitely see the potential and I think it'll ultimately come down to which organization he is drafted to rather than the actual draft slot
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Post#1692 » by DreamTeam09 » Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:18 pm

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Ace doesn't fit the Raptors offense at all, as much as they need a pure scorer, they also need someone who can keep the ball moving and play within the offense most of the time.


He's a play a finisher who can shoot, how doesn't that fit. Barnes IQ newly formed talent in RJ and Jakob can all pass the ball well.
You contradicted yaself within the first 2 commas


Ace is a tricky one. His interviews and workouts are going to be important. But if you think he's got his head on right and just needs to be coached up you take him no problem.

Flagg and Harper are the tier 1 projects in this draft right now.
Ace, Egor, Tre, and Kasparas are the second tier.

V.J. if he starts shooting and doesn't measure out too poorly belongs in that second tier.

That is 5 maybe 6 guys that all would work great on the raptors roster. VJ is the one I have the most questions about fit wise but I'd take every one of those 5 guys over anyone in the 2024 draft.

If we don't get lucky with the lotto gods there are still another group of really interesting guys like Queen, Maluach, Newell, Essengue.

The real question is can we replicate last drafts success in the second round. If we can do that, we are absolutely going to have a monster squad in a few years.


Looks like me and you are on the same page. I like everyone you listed. I'm not the highest on kasparis for us, but he's a really good player.
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Post#1693 » by Psubs » Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:44 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
Reeko wrote:I think CMB is going to be very high on the Raptors board.



Hope so, he gets so many stocks and he showed last year he can be an excellent complementary piece on offense without a shot. This year he is showing flashes of a shot and being the primary creator.

He's not going to be a rookie of the year type, but is a safe bet to be a positive player in the league and has a ton of upside as well if the shot continues to develop.


Do we double down on the all stocks team and try to get VJ, CMB and Thiero? :lol:

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Post#1694 » by Psubs » Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:46 pm

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Quicker Paul Pierce or Joe Johnson?
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Post#1695 » by Syd-TK3 » Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:53 pm

Every year there's always 1 pf/small ball C that I like in the draft who i just wish was a bit taller to be a full time C

This year it's Asa Newell
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Post#1696 » by ArthurVandelay » Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:25 pm

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I’ve never left the Ace train. I see flaws but I see greatness too.

If he’s a gym rat, strives to be great, is coachable, and loves basketball, I draft him in a heartbeat.
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Post#1697 » by TNRaps4life » Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:35 pm

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I’ve never left the Ace train. I see flaws but I see greatness too.

If he’s a gym rat, strives to be great, is coachable, and loves basketball, I draft him in a heartbeat.


Folks that don't want Ace, please name 4 players on our team that has more potential. I wait. He is only 18 and will be 18 at the draft. Gym rat and what he lacks is coachable.
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Post#1698 » by ArthurVandelay » Sun Dec 15, 2024 10:08 pm

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I’ve never left the Ace train. I see flaws but I see greatness too.

If he’s a gym rat, strives to be great, is coachable, and loves basketball, I draft him in a heartbeat.


Folks that don't want Ace, please name 4 players on our team that has more potential. I wait. He is only 19 and will be 19 at the draft. Gym rat and what he lacks is coachable.


Fwiw I think he would have been better off going to a major college program vs Rutgers.

The supporting cast is weak (outside Harper obviously) and, based on what I’ve seen, the coaching is too.

I’ve said this before but he reminds me a bit of Brandon Miller, but when Miller was a freshman he was a full 2 years older than Ace.
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Post#1699 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Dec 15, 2024 10:19 pm

Back around 2021 I was remember looking into RSCI rankings, and how little they co-relate to strong NBA careers. At the time it was unlikely for 3 top 10 RSCI ranked prospects to make an all-star team. But the 2021 class may actually have 4 if Jalen Green sticks long-term in Houston.

2022 will have Banchero, Holmgren and maybe a shot for Jabari Smith.

2023 appears to have no one at the moment.

2024 is way too early to tell.

The 2025 list is

1. Flagg
2. Bailey
3. Harper
4. Edgecombe
5. Johnson
6. Ian Jackson
7. Jalil Bathea
8. Jayden Quaintence
9. Donny Freeman
10. Liam McNeely
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Post#1700 » by Ell Curry » Sun Dec 15, 2024 10:28 pm

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Folks that don't want Ace, please name 4 players on our team that has more potential. I wait. He is only 19 and will be 19 at the draft. Gym rat and what he lacks is coachable.


I don’t have strong Ace feelings (hate the lack of passing but he’s visibly more agile than an MPJ or De’Andre Hunter and seems to care about defence a bit and does rebound, so that sounds like a quality SF who can fit well with Barnes, even if he can’t ever touch the ball early in halfcourt possessions), but our 2025 1st should automatically be 2nd behind Barnes in potentiality, so this is a strange metric to use.
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