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Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V1.0 

Post#1681 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:57 pm

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But Jrue was never their 2nd ball handler...that was Brown and Midd's, both much better scorers. Can Fred be your third best player on a title team? Sure. But to me, that would have to be a Boston Celtics like squad with 4 other guys at his level.

But where would Fred slot on the Celtics right now? Not starting. Would he be better than Pritchard in the role Pritchard plays?


If you replace FVV with Pritchard on Houston....they probably would've been a play-in team instead of being the two seed.

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Post#1682 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:58 pm

mdenny wrote:I don't think there'd be any team more depressing to cheer for than the Pistons. A decade of tanking ti produce this? They're not even in a position to consolidate assets like Houston or OKC PLUS they feel like they have a 5 seed ceiling in the east which also means no more lottery picks for the time being.

They are just so underwhelming with no upside for bug future moves. I don't usually ascribe to the pitfalls of the "treadmill" archetype because I think collecting assets as a middle of the pack team puts you in a position to make that big move. But they are a middle of the pack team without the assets. In which case....yah it totally feels like they are on a treadmill.

I don't see any hope for that franchise.


They weren't always tanking and they also didn't have the best management while also not being in a desirable city for players to want to go to....They half assed it a couple times...I remember getting Blake for no reason etc....They now have Cade who i believe is a player worth building around....Duren, Thompson, Ivey (Injured but had a good season for them) have some good upside....If they can draft well with their 19th/20thish picks they should be fine in keep building around Cade if Cade keeps propelling as a player.
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Post#1683 » by Basketball_Jones » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:10 am

Pistons are a tough team. But you’re having trouble now I don’t know if Knicks even make it past next round again
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Post#1684 » by HangTime » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:11 am

I think the Knicks plan this series is to give the Pistons a false sense of confidence.
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Post#1685 » by NinjaBro » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:16 am

I've never seen Anunoby pass like that in toronto.
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Post#1686 » by mdenny » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:22 am

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mdenny wrote:I don't think there'd be any team more depressing to cheer for than the Pistons. A decade of tanking ti produce this? They're not even in a position to consolidate assets like Houston or OKC PLUS they feel like they have a 5 seed ceiling in the east which also means no more lottery picks for the time being.

They are just so underwhelming with no upside for bug future moves. I don't usually ascribe to the pitfalls of the "treadmill" archetype because I think collecting assets as a middle of the pack team puts you in a position to make that big move. But they are a middle of the pack team without the assets. In which case....yah it totally feels like they are on a treadmill.

I don't see any hope for that franchise.


They weren't always tanking and they also didn't have the best management while also not being in a desirable city for players to want to go to....They half assed it a couple times...I remember getting Blake for no reason etc....They now have Cade who i believe is a player worth building around....Duren, Thompson, Ivey (Injured but had a good season for them) have some good upside....If they can draft well with their 19th/20thish picks they should be fine in keep building around Cade if Cade keeps propelling as a player.


I've watched 5 or 6 games this season (cade's best) and I just find him very underwhelming. Using the big 3 format of team building...he could be a serviceable member of a big 3. But he'd need to be paired with another guy with similar value and a superstar.

I don't see anyone else on their roster that has big 3 potential. When a tanking team transitions to a playoff team....I think they need no less than 2 future big 3 guys. They managed to emerge from the cellar with only 1 (not the superstar piece, just a serviceable one). And I don't see a path in acquiring the other 2.

But you never know. Every young player has the chance to come back from an off-season and make a leap. I just perceive the Piston prospects as being unlikely to do that.
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Post#1687 » by mdenny » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:26 am

Hart might be the best playoff performer in the league (relatively speaking). Meaning that he suddenly becomes worth twice his regular season value when the playoffs start.

Like Daniel Briere in hockey. Or Robert Horry from back in the day.

If Hart looked like the same guy for all the regular season games....I think he'd have to be a 40 milly per year guy.
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Post#1688 » by HumbleRen » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:27 am

Cade is so good. I reckon he’ll be a top 15 player by next season.
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Post#1689 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:28 am

Pistons 10 FTA Knicks zero trips to the line. Knicks are playing scrambly but the refs seem to want a tied series
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Post#1690 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:31 am

mdenny wrote:Hart might be the best playoff performer in the league (relatively speaking). Meaning that he suddenly becomes worth twice his regular season value when the playoffs start.

Like Daniel Briere in hockey. Or Robert Horry from back in the day.

If Hart looked like the same guy for all the regular season games....I think he'd have to be a 40 milly per year guy.

He's the ultimate hustler and undersized rebounder. But can't shoot so he kills spacing. Out of control drives. Not a great defender. I've watched all year, tired of his game.

But he does have the crazy triple double games
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Post#1691 » by mdenny » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:40 am

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mdenny wrote:Hart might be the best playoff performer in the league (relatively speaking). Meaning that he suddenly becomes worth twice his regular season value when the playoffs start.

Like Daniel Briere in hockey. Or Robert Horry from back in the day.

If Hart looked like the same guy for all the regular season games....I think he'd have to be a 40 milly per year guy.

He's the ultimate hustler and undersized rebounder. But can't shoot so he kills spacing. Out of control drives. Not a great defender. I've watched all year, tired of his game.

But he does have the crazy triple double games


I get all that. That's why he's a 20 milly guy. But when the playoffs start....he's all over the place. Feels like this is the third playoffs in a row where he becomes a different player in the postseason.

Cade with 0 assists and 4 turnovers. The Pistons will be lucky to win a single game playing like this.
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Post#1692 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:43 am

WaltFrazier wrote:Pistons 10 FTA Knicks zero trips to the line. Knicks are playing scrambly but the refs seem to want a tied series


14 - 2 free throws.

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Post#1693 » by 720 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:44 am

Rooting for Cade man. My favourite player to watch in the league.
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Post#1694 » by tsherkin » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:00 am

720 wrote:Rooting for Cade man. My favourite player to watch in the league.


He's definitely having a better night tonight than in Game 1.
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Post#1695 » by mdenny » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:03 am

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720 wrote:Rooting for Cade man. My favourite player to watch in the league.


He's definitely having a better night tonight than in Game 1.


Thibodeau is baiting them to make Cade the primary scorer. They won't win like this. But even if Cade goes for +50 and the game is still competitive...they can just put OG on him with 5 minutes left in the 4th and not let him switch onto Hart.
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Post#1696 » by Agimat » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:11 am

Cade's game too suave and this is his first playoff series!
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Post#1697 » by mdenny » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 am

Brunson super high iq to switch on Cade and foul with 5 seconds left in the quarter.

That's the kinda play that sets Brunson apart from other players.

Thibs hasn't shown a single double-team on Cade and was letting him switch the entire first half. Now OG is fighting through screens to stay on him.

So I guess the order of operations was let him do what he wants in first half. Slowly stop letting him switch midway through 3rd. It'll be interesting to see if he starts at least flashing doubles in the 4th.
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Post#1698 » by 720 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:30 am

Schroeder doing WAAAY to much.
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Post#1699 » by Tripod » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:33 am

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Post#1700 » by Basketball_Jones » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:37 am

Knicks lack of depth is a problem. Gone are the days where you don’t need a deep roster in a series.
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