Summer League Thread Part 4: Aug 14th Charlotte @7pm TSN2

[GordanFreeman]

Said nobody ever

According to his logic Jordan Clarkson is more valuable than Rudy Gobert.

In the playoffs he is....Clarkson was one of the better performers in the playoffs for them while Gobert got exposed....

Scoring 20PPG will always be more valuable than a player who can block shots (Nerlens Noel) its not even a discussion idk wtf you guys are thinking that having a few blocks is more important than being a high level scorer

Lol don't double down on an bad take. It's okay to be wrong. It's liberating actually. I hated the gasol trade but happily ate crow once I saw him play. Didn't like the Kawhi trade either thinking he was damaged goods. It's just sports at the end of the day; whether you're "right" or "wrong" doesn't prove your worth bruv.

[normgod6]

Thankfully Barnes is getting calls

Yeah I am quite surprised by that. Looks like the nba really do try to protect their products.
Barnes seems marketable with his combination of charm and high draft position.

i hate this narrative that refs just give out calls. Drawing fouls is a legitimate skill that some players are naturally more talented at then others. Its why guys like Rose and Kyrie never had elite free throw rates even when they were attack the rim constantly and dudes like Corey Maggette always had incredible free throw rates despite never being an allstar.

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[bballsparkin]

Thankfully Barnes is getting calls

Yeah I am quite surprised by that. Looks like the nba really do try to protect their products.
Barnes seems marketable with his combination of charm and high draft position.

i hate this narrative that refs just give out calls. Drawing fouls is a legitimate skill that some players are naturally more talented at then others. Its why guys like Rose and Kyrie never had elite free throw rates even when they were attack the rim constantly and dudes like Corey Maggette always had incredible free throw rates despite never being an allstar.

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Playoffs. Big moments. It's a thing.

[Clutch0z24]

According to his logic Jordan Clarkson is more valuable than Rudy Gobert.

In the playoffs he is....Clarkson was one of the better performers in the playoffs for them while Gobert got exposed....

Scoring 20PPG will always be more valuable than a player who can block shots (Nerlens Noel) its not even a discussion idk wtf you guys are thinking that having a few blocks is more important than being a high level scorer

Lol don't double down on an bad take. It's okay to be wrong. It's liberating actually. I hated the gasol trade but happily ate crow once I saw him play. Didn't like the Kawhi trade either thinking he was damaged goods. It's just sports at the end of the day; whether you're "right" or "wrong" doesn't prove your worth bruv.

Its not a bad take cause basketball is situational.....A different kind of player can have a different impact on a game at any given time in a basketball game....Saying Gobert is the most impactfull player on his team cause of his defense is wrong....If it comes down to a game where Gobert is not having an impact on the offensive end at all and is getting exposed by 3 point shooters then YES Jordan Clarkson becomes more valuable player than Gobert is....

Now the take originally was 5 blocks being better than 20 points which is not true....And someone else brought up Jordan Clarkson....Jordan Clarkson is a 6th man i was saying ELITE offensive players like Booker/Dame type of guys....My point in this argument is an Elite scorer in the Playoffs will always be more of a value than an elite defensive player in the NBA who struggles on the offensive end...

And my point is correct cause many elite defenders who can't play offense got exposed in the playoffs sooner rather than later....

If some people want 5 Blocks over 20 points than thats you but when i watch basketball i want my star player to be able to put the ball in the basket

[Deadpool Raptor]

Considering it was a bad game. 5 blocks, 3 assists and a low usage. It wasn't AS bad as people are making it out to be.

People want an alpha from the 4th pick, not a guy who likes to blend in. His game currently screams role player but that doesn't mean he can't take it to the next level. You watch Green/Suggs/Cade, you cant say that about them even when they're struggling.

Why would you want an 18 year old to be an alpha? You want someone that is coachable that follows instructions and that is hard working. Also, alpha is way out dated, it usually means an ****. Build like San Antonio: get great players, build a system, coach draft picks, convince players that their career can grow by joining the Raptors.

[S.W.A.N]

Not worried about Barnes at all. His shot needs work. We knew that coming into draft. he is great on d and hustles... also knew that coming into the draft. Summer league is just confirming all the things we already know about him.

The players I was more interested in watching were Precious and Dalano. Precious looks like he is going to challenge Birch for starting C job.

Dalano still has moments where he not seeing the game in nba speed, but man I can see why they drafted him. It will take a year of d-league, but this kid could be really good. He makes stuff happen. Rebounds, blocks, steals, assists. Just like Barnes he needs to work on his horrid jumper, but he also needs a solid year of hitting the weights.

Special mention. Wainwright looks plug and play. Going to fit right in with his hustle, d and corner 3.

[rapz**7**]

5 blocks is more impressive than scoring 20pts

Said nobody ever.....To be a factor in a game you need to get buckets.....other wise Rudy Gobert would be the best player in the NBA right now (Which hes not close)

The best players in the game do not score 20 points a game lol

[Deadpool Raptor]

Thankfully Barnes is getting calls

Yeah I am quite surprised by that. Looks like the nba really do try to protect their products.
Barnes seems marketable with his combination of charm and high draft position.

i hate this narrative that refs just give out calls. Drawing fouls is a legitimate skill that some players are naturally more talented at then others. Its why guys like Rose and Kyrie never had elite free throw rates even when they were attack the rim constantly and dudes like Corey Maggette always had incredible free throw rates despite never being an allstar.

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Drawing fouls should not be a legitimate skill. Offensive players should focus on putting the ball in the basket; defensive playing defence within the rules.

Fouls are when defensive players break the rules, "drawing fouls" is the worst type of offense and should be outlawed.

[normgod6]

Yeah I am quite surprised by that. Looks like the nba really do try to protect their products.
Barnes seems marketable with his combination of charm and high draft position.

i hate this narrative that refs just give out calls. Drawing fouls is a legitimate skill that some players are naturally more talented at then others. Its why guys like Rose and Kyrie never had elite free throw rates even when they were attack the rim constantly and dudes like Corey Maggette always had incredible free throw rates despite never being an allstar.

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Drawing fouls should not be a legitimate skill. Offensive players should focus on putting the ball in the basket; defensive playing defence within the rules.

Fouls are when defensive players break the rules, "drawing fouls" is the worst type of offense and should be outlawed.

whether you like it or not, its still a brutally efficient way of scoring. And if Scottie shooting 20 free throws in 3 games is not a fluke and he actually turns out to be an elite foul drawer, you will grow to love him shooting 10 free throws a game all the way to the finals

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[Dalek]

I swear Scottie looked hurt the game previous and was limping around on court at times, labouring. Then this game he got hit on screen he gave and possibly tweaked his ankle. Weaker players would have sat right away, but he rode it out. True Raptor already playing through pain. Surprised they didn't tie the red shoelace on him like Demar.

[God Squad]

I missed the game, But it looks like Precious and Wainright carried the offense tonight. I like that Barnes had 8pts 4r 3a 1 stl and 5 blks. He was 2-7 shooting, but I'd like to know what kind of shots? Were his 0-2 from three on a pull up or self creation? Same with other shots tbh. I saw his hook he made from highlights, but for evaluating I like low lights as well personally.

[Clutch0z24]

5 blocks is more impressive than scoring 20pts

Said nobody ever.....To be a factor in a game you need to get buckets.....other wise Rudy Gobert would be the best player in the NBA right now (Which hes not close)

The best players in the game do not score 20 points a game lol

?? What...Are some of you guys trolling at this point....You guys are Barnes Homers this bad you are really saying This nonsense to prop Barnes up cause he has NO offensive game and is all defense....Its ok to like a Role player like Barnes but to make false claims to up his value is weird to me....

LeBron James 20+ Scorer , Giannis 20+ Scorer Kawhi 20+ Scorer, Curry 20+ Scorer, KD 20+Scorer, .....Literally every elite player in the NBA Scores 20-30 PPG ....No Elite Player in the NBA Averages 12 PPG And 3 Blocks Per game ....Ibaka Was one of the best shot Blockers one year was he ever considered an Elite player?....Ben Wallace one of the best defensive big man in the League was he ever considered an Elite player? No...

You guys are a little ridiculous tonight lol Sounds like alot of you are trying to Cope with the fact Barnes looks really horrible of an offensive player and trying to prop up the things he does good to make it sound like them are the most important things on the basketball court...

Well guess what your wrong

[Raps in 4]

Thankfully Barnes is getting calls

Yeah I am quite surprised by that. Looks like the nba really do try to protect their products.
Barnes seems marketable with his combination of charm and high draft position.

Maybe he can develop a Harden-esque game if he learns to shoot the 3.

[normgod6]

Thankfully Barnes is getting calls

Yeah I am quite surprised by that. Looks like the nba really do try to protect their products.
Barnes seems marketable with his combination of charm and high draft position.

Maybe he can develop a Harden-esque game if he learns to shoot the 3.

Im thinking something like Jimmy Butler's game. Attacking the rim constantly and drawing fouls at an elite rate. Jimmy is also a below the rim finisher and not a great shooter but a great playmaker so I feel that might be a possible comp of Barne's upside

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[Phezmo123]

Yeah I am quite surprised by that. Looks like the nba really do try to protect their products.
Barnes seems marketable with his combination of charm and high draft position.

Maybe he can develop a Harden-esque game if he learns to shoot the 3.

Im thinking something like Jimmy Butler's game. Attacking the rim constantly and drawing fouls at an elite rate. Jimmy is also a below the rim finisher and not a great shooter but a great playmaker so I feel that might be a possible comp of Barne's upside

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Scottie's gonna be a much better playmaker than Jimmy too

[God Squad]

I don't know what some of y'all are watching. Barnes barely touched the ball for long stretches because Flynn and Adams were trying to do way too much on their own. Dude was playing full court defence for most of the game, forcing turnovers and racking up blocks too. If a bad game from Barnes (who we know is a work in progress and also looked to be dealing with an injury still) gets you 8 PTS/4 REB/3 AST/5 BLK/1 STL on limited usage, you take that.

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This. God dammit this. I don't even know what to add.

[Clutch0z24]

I don't know what some of y'all are watching. Barnes barely touched the ball for long stretches because Flynn and Adams were trying to do way too much on their own. Dude was playing full court defence for most of the game, forcing turnovers and racking up blocks too. If a bad game from Barnes (who we know is a work in progress and also looked to be dealing with an injury still) gets you 8 PTS/4 REB/3 AST/5 BLK/1 STL on limited usage, you take that.

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This. God dammit this. I don't even know what to add.

I think what some people are frustrated with is how bad his offensive game looks....With a 4th overall pick you want your player to be able to do basic NBA Level moves....You watch some players who were drafted after Barnes be able to make it look effortless But for him it looks like he has to try his hardest just to get 1 basket...

Thats prolly where alot of the frustration is coming from....Yes he can put up respectable numbers but its how he is doing it shooing like 2-8 every night and missing alot of easy baskets a number 4 overall pick should be able to make...

And most of his baskets coming from fouls where he attacks and can't finish...

Its prolly just how Raw he looks as a player on the offensive side thats frustarting people

[God Squad]

I don't know what some of y'all are watching. Barnes barely touched the ball for long stretches because Flynn and Adams were trying to do way too much on their own. Dude was playing full court defence for most of the game, forcing turnovers and racking up blocks too. If a bad game from Barnes (who we know is a work in progress and also looked to be dealing with an injury still) gets you 8 PTS/4 REB/3 AST/5 BLK/1 STL on limited usage, you take that.

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This. God dammit this. I don't even know what to add.

I think what some people are frustrated with is how bad his offensive game looks....With a 4th overall pick you want your player to be able to do basic NBA Level moves....You watch some players who were drafted after Barnes be able to make it look effortless But for him it looks like he has to try his hardest just to get 1 basket...

Thats prolly where alot of the frustration is coming from....Yes he can put up respectable numbers but its how he is doing it shooing like 2-8 every night and missing alot of easy baskets a number 4 overall pick should be able to make...

And most of his baskets coming from fouls where he attacks and can't finish...

Its prolly just how Raw he looks as a player on the offensive side thats frustarting people

Again, those were YOUR expectations. So you live with that, don't project around here. Everyone "before the draft" knew Barnes was a massive project and that it was his offense you'd need to unlock in order to reach his full potential. Masai and Co scouted both throughout the year, scouted them during the draft process and feel Scottie has the bigger ceiling. Them selecting him solidifies they believe they can get him there. If it makes you feel better I firmly believe Suggs, Green and Cade are the best players right now, but I don't know who'll be best in 3-4 years and that includes Mobley, Barnes and players outside the top 5.

To many people on realgm and twitter are fools of the moment and don't understand there's nothing set in stone in terms of the draft this early. That goes for Green (who I think is best/just an example), because I remember a player named Tyreke Evans who was unanimously loved and seen as the next great after his rookie year. Well chit happens and we know how that turned out.

[EFF3KT]

Imagine if Scottie finished that monster poster.
That woulda put the entire summer league on notice.

[UnderdogRaptors]

anybody got barnes highlights from tonight?