Tank World Order (7.0)

[Madhouse]

Hayward is a minor piece on their team.

Their best 2 players are Bridges and Melo. Guys like oubre and rozier are the same age as our best 2 players.

They have young guys like bouknight, PJ washington, Kai Jones, JT Thor, Jalen McDaniels. That team is stacked w young talent

We have barnes

What? You're just naming a bunch of spare parts with maaaaybe one of them (Bouk) having a shot at being a strong piece.. No right-minded GM in the league would give up Barnes for Bouknight, PJ, Kai, Thor and McDaniels.

I'm comparing rosters. I'm not comparing them to barnes even tho if we stayed at 7? lots of ppl on this board wanted Kai Jones at 7 #facts

bouknight too over barnes lots of ppl. But regradless of what you think if you wanna compare young players Lamelo > Barnes

And Miles is pretty damn good this year too. Playing better than barnes

Bridges is good but he is hardly something special, pretty comparable to OG and they will have to pay him the max. Not great value. Other than that there is not much except Ball.

Charlotte won't be competition for Toronto for long.

[HumbleRen]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until they Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

Talent matters as well, Siakam and FVV put up numbers but it just isn't the same as the other young guys in the conference, FVV and Siakam have to EARN it. They don't have scoring ability to put up 40+ on any given night and that **** matters big picture wise.


Those Lowry/Demar teams were able to get away with it become consistently had some of the best benches in the nba, while Siakam/FVV have to deal with the worst bench in the NBA.

What does "have to earn it" mean? And how does that differ from other similar players that arent on the Raptors?

Do you mean playing major minutes?

They aren't good half court scorers. It's why we go 4-5 minutes a game sometimes without scoring a basket.

[Los_29]

Talent matters as well, Siakam and FVV put up numbers but it just isn't the same as the other young guys in the conference, FVV and Siakam have to EARN it. They don't have scoring ability to put up 40+ on any given night and that **** matters big picture wise.


Those Lowry/Demar teams were able to get away with it become consistently had some of the best benches in the nba, while Siakam/FVV have to deal with the worst bench in the NBA.

Which young guys are you referring to? Obviously you got Giannis, Trae. But Tatum is the next young guy in the conference and his numbers are incredibly inefficient. Same efficiency as Fred this year. Tatum has actually been a LESS efficient scorer than Pascal during his career. Then the next young guy from our conference is Jaylen Brown then.... Fred VanVleet and Pascal Siakam.

Talent means nothing if there are no results. Teams don't care about how a guy looks out there. They care about what he produces.

And what results have Siakam and FVV achieved without Lowry ?

Garland/Mobley/Allen core will end up top 5 in the east and they’re all younger than Siakam and FVV ? Garland isn’t even in year 4 yet.

We’ve seen Tatum/Brown eliminate arguably the 2nd best Raptors team of the last decade by themselves at like age 22 for Tatum.

Zack Lavine is a top 5 SG, that core with the bulls isn’t going anywhere.

Lamelo and that core isn’t going anywhere either.


Talent matters, having the best player on the court at all times matters.


I believe we can compete for a 5-8th seed with this core but we have a short window with this core, we aren’t keeping both FVV or GTJ after next year.

You didn't address my point. You just went in a completely different direction.

You're the king of hot takes but can't defend them. This is a problem.

[HumbleRen]

Which young guys are you referring to? Obviously you got Giannis, Trae. But Tatum is the next young guy in the conference and his numbers are incredibly inefficient. Same efficiency as Fred this year. Tatum has actually been a LESS efficient scorer than Pascal during his career. Then the next young guy from our conference is Jaylen Brown then.... Fred VanVleet and Pascal Siakam.

Talent means nothing if there are no results. Teams don't care about how a guy looks out there. They care about what he produces.

And what results have Siakam and FVV achieved without Lowry ?

Garland/Mobley/Allen core will end up top 5 in the east and they’re all younger than Siakam and FVV ? Garland isn’t even in year 4 yet.

We’ve seen Tatum/Brown eliminate arguably the 2nd best Raptors team of the last decade by themselves at like age 22 for Tatum.

Zack Lavine is a top 5 SG, that core with the bulls isn’t going anywhere.

Lamelo and that core isn’t going anywhere either.


Talent matters, having the best player on the court at all times matters.


I believe we can compete for a 5-8th seed with this core but we have a short window with this core, we aren’t keeping both FVV or GTJ after next year.

You didn't address my point. You just went in a completely different direction.

You're the king of hot takes but can't defend them. This is a problem.

I've addressed your point lol, you just seem incapable of realizing other team's futures are just as bright as ours if not brighter.

[720]

Just noticed something regarding our next few games. In all three games (Heat, Hawks, Heat) the teams we’re playing against are on a second night of a back to back. The second time we play the heat we’ll also be on a second night of a back to back but for the heat it’ll be their 4th game in 5 nights.

So all three games will be very winnable because they’re in that schedule loss territory for the team’s we’re playing against.

[DelAbbot]

Just noticed something regarding our next few games. In all three games (Heat, Hawks, Heat) the teams we’re playing against are on a second night of a back to back. The second time we play the heat we’ll also be on a second night of a back to back but for the heat it’ll be their 4th game in 5 nights.

So all three games will be very winnable because they’re in that schedule loss territory for the team’s we’re playing against.

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[720]

Just noticed something regarding our next few games. In all three games (Heat, Hawks, Heat) the teams we’re playing against are on a second night of a back to back. The second time we play the heat we’ll also be on a second night of a back to back but for the heat it’ll be their 4th game in 5 nights.

So all three games will be very winnable because they’re in that schedule loss territory for the team’s we’re playing against.

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Fake wins incoming, can’t do anything about it. It’s destiny at this point. Just gotta hope Masai and Bobby nail it with a mid 1st round pick.

[Madhouse]

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[Ell Curry]

Chet-Barnes-OG is a fun frontline to think about if we think Barnes is going to be a proper star.

It's not completely insane to work out a 3 way deal like Siakam to Memphis and multiple firsts to the team picking Holmgren to trade down to the Lakers pick (Currently #13) but the worst 4 teams all need a forward who score, whether it's Chet at the 4 or Banchero or Jabari Smith (Houston and OKC in particular) so it would have to be an offer of overwhelming value.

[Pooh_Jeter]

This current iteration of TWO was vindicated after the lotto and getting Barnes.

I'm glad the OG crew was vindicated with Wiggins being named an all star starter.

It's incredible the impact TWO has had over the years.

[KL78192020]

Hawks are on a roll gona be 6 wins in a row. Looks like they're getting back to last years form after all their injuries.

The two games against the Raptor should be interesting. Although one is the 2nd night of a back to back.

[Ref_from_hell]

This current iteration of TWO was vindicated after the lotto and getting Barnes.

I'm glad the OG crew was vindicated with Wiggins being named an all star starter.

It's incredible the impact TWO has had over the years.

LOL

[OakleyDokely]

This current iteration of TWO was vindicated after the lotto and getting Barnes.

I'm glad the OG crew was vindicated with Wiggins being named an all star starter.

It's incredible the impact TWO has had over the years.

Says the guy who criticized Masai for weeks for taking Barnes over Suggs.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Pascal is at peak regular season value. There's definitely an argument to sell high.

It would have to be a fantastic deal though.

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Oh yeah.

If trading Pascal is going to improve the team...Masai and Bobby gotta make the deal or at minimum consider it.

This season should not be wasted for the sake of getting to the first round/play in only to get rocked. AND get bumped out of the lottery on top.

I find it hard to see Masai trading Pascal, because he fits Masai's vision of lineup full of 6'8 long defenders with some playmaking and shooting ability.

FVV on the other hand is at "peak" value.

If they trade FVV in season or offseason, I'll give you 20 bucks.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

This current iteration of TWO was vindicated after the lotto and getting Barnes.

I'm glad the OG crew was vindicated with Wiggins being named an all star starter.

It's incredible the impact TWO has had over the years.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

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Chets could be a beast for a team if he's not in the top 2 picks. Shuts down everything inside and shoots 75% inside the arc, has a three point shot and passing skills as a bonus.

[Los_29]

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Chets could be a beast for a team if he's not in the top 2 picks. Shuts down everything inside and shoots 75% inside the arc, has a three point shot and passing skills as a bonus.

I hate to say it, but I just cannot “bet on Chet.”

I’ll admit I haven’t watched much of him this year but where is he going to play in the NBA? He’s not athletic enough to guard out on the perimeter and he’s going to get eaten alive inside by bigs.

He’s got a unique skill set but that body isn’t holding up. Who has ever come into the league with that kind of body?

[Coco Costanza]

Just got the second pick on Tankathon. Don't let anyone tell you this team is too good to land a top pick.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Put the pipe down and let us get you the help you so dearly need.

[DelAbbot]

Oh yeah.

If trading Pascal is going to improve the team...Masai and Bobby gotta make the deal or at minimum consider it.

This season should not be wasted for the sake of getting to the first round/play in only to get rocked. AND get bumped out of the lottery on top.

I find it hard to see Masai trading Pascal, because he fits Masai's vision of lineup full of 6'8 long defenders with some playmaking and shooting ability.

FVV on the other hand is at "peak" value.

If they trade FVV in season or offseason, I'll give you 20 bucks.