Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[Ell Curry]

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In a smart world Orlando fans should have been devastated we picked Barnes and Raptors fans should have been celebrating like we won the chip. We live in opposite land lol

There's absolutely no way any of us knew Barnes would be this good in his rookie season and Suggs would have struggled this much scoring.

We all were drinking the US media cool aid at the time.

I think the lesson is the context of their teams:

Suggs was on a perfect team for him; A smart PG in Nembhard so he didn't have to run the show in the halfcourt, a good 3 and D guard in Ayayi, an elite shooter in Kispert and an elite college scorer in Timme. They've replaced Suggs, Kispert and Ayayi with a great player in Holmgren, a decent college guard in Bolton who won't sniff the NBA (unlike Ayayi, who is getting 6 assists and 5 boards in the G League and should be an NBA backup guard if his shot improves a bit) and a solid college 3 and D wing in Strawther who isn't elite at tit like Kispert, who went in the lottery. And they're almost as good.

Meanwhile, Florida State missed the tourney without Barnes and he was playing with a good team but one with below average spacing (though not horrific since Walker and Polite gave them 2 reliable shooters, but my guess is Barnes often played with only one of them) and playing PG and off the bench. How good would Barnes have looked as the Gonzaga 4 surrounded by Timme, Kispert, Ayayi and Nembhard? Pretty damn good!

Though I will admit he couldn't score on Franz Wagner in the tourney game and while that's no crime (he was probably the best defender in the Big 10 along with Morsell) he doesn't look like he'd have that problem this year.

[xAIRNESSx]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

[LoveMyRaps]

Dude has no legs under him right now. He's totally fatigued.

He'll benefit greatly from this 3 day rest and put on a show against Mobley & the Cavs on Thursday.

[Jcity08]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

My assestment was just that on draft night, while I wasnt thinking about Barnes as a draft selection, I was going to give the organization the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing better than me.

I remember people laughing pre draft that he'd go to Orlando. Good thing they were wrong and we drafted him instead.

[srhcan]

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great post Masai had fooled the whole world

[Tacoma]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

Elon Musk is so good that he became the richest man in the world but smart people question him all the time. No one is perfect and Masai certainly is not. E.g., here's what SI said about drafting Delon Wright in 2015:

"Grade C: Not sure I understand this pick. The Raptors are set at point guard with Kyle Lowry, who signed a four-year, $48 million contract last summer. They have a need at power forward and several—a group that includes Bobby Portis, Kevon Looney and Montrezl Harrell—were available."

They were right about Portis and Harrell as better picks. Then there was the infamous Bruno Caboclo reach who should've went in Round 2. If he was infallible and reaching into the 2nd round that year, should've been Nikola Jokić. Masai is still by far the best Executive we've ever had, but doubting even the best is not wrong.

[xAIRNESSx]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

Elon Musk is so good that he became the richest man in the world but smart people question him all the time. No one is perfect and Masai certainly is not. E.g., here's what SI said about drafting Delon Wright in 2015:

"Grade C: Not sure I understand this pick. The Raptors are set at point guard with Kyle Lowry, who signed a four-year, $48 million contract last summer. They have a need at power forward and several—a group that includes Bobby Portis, Kevon Looney and Montrezl Harrell—were available."

They were right about Portis and Harrell as better picks. Then there was the infamous Bruno Caboclo reach who should've went in Round 2. If he was infallible and reaching into the 2nd round that year, should've been Nikola Jokić. Masai is still by far the best Executive we've ever had, but doubting even the best is not wrong.

No one ever said Masai was infallible. I don't think it's a great justification that because Masai hasn't taken who ended up being the best player at every pick that fans should've acted like the sky is falling when we took Barnes.

[maternal85]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

Elon Musk is so good that he became the richest man in the world but smart people question him all the time. No one is perfect and Masai certainly is not. E.g., here's what SI said about drafting Delon Wright in 2015:

"Grade C: Not sure I understand this pick. The Raptors are set at point guard with Kyle Lowry, who signed a four-year, $48 million contract last summer. They have a need at power forward and several—a group that includes Bobby Portis, Kevon Looney and Montrezl Harrell—were available."

They were right about Portis and Harrell as better picks. Then there was the infamous Bruno Caboclo reach who should've went in Round 2. If he was infallible and reaching into the 2nd round that year, should've been Nikola Jokić. Masai is still by far the best Executive we've ever had, but doubting even the best is not wrong.

This is petty

[maternal85]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

ESPN is a billion dollar hype machine.

[PoundTown]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

I mean, I did as soon as we drafted Scottie, I gave masai the benefit of the doubt. It’s not that I didn’t think Scottie was a good prospect, but Suggs was 3 on my board behind cade and Mobley. I just thought he was a really high floor dude with a really good fit on raptors as a 2 way combo guard that’s great in transition besides Fred. I didn’t see the offensive upside in Scottie. Thought he’d struggle in the half court. I think so far it’s Suggs that has struggled in half court. I still like Suggs and think he will be a starting caliber player with great defence, but masai got it right, I wouldn’t have.

[LoveMyRaps]

JJ Reddick just said Scottie is the most slept on rookie and he needs to be talked about way more. Described him as the prototypical wing player in today's NBA, a guy that can do it all, and suggested he'll be a 2nd or 3rd piece on a championship team.

[Tha Cynic]

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In a smart world Orlando fans should have been devastated we picked Barnes and Raptors fans should have been celebrating like we won the chip. We live in opposite land lol

Basically, there's a reason why they pay millions for professionals to make assessments rather than what looks like RealGM posters in those videos.

[mdenny]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

Elon Musk is so good that he became the richest man in the world but smart people question him all the time. No one is perfect and Masai certainly is not. E.g., here's what SI said about drafting Delon Wright in 2015:

"Grade C: Not sure I understand this pick. The Raptors are set at point guard with Kyle Lowry, who signed a four-year, $48 million contract last summer. They have a need at power forward and several—a group that includes Bobby Portis, Kevon Looney and Montrezl Harrell—were available."

They were right about Portis and Harrell as better picks. Then there was the infamous Bruno Caboclo reach who should've went in Round 2. If he was infallible and reaching into the 2nd round that year, should've been Nikola Jokić. Masai is still by far the best Executive we've ever had, but doubting even the best is not wrong.

This is petty

It'd be interestimg to see how often a team takes the best player available (as determined by redraft rankings 5 years later).

I bet it's ess than 2% of the time. It's literally impossible to ALWAYS take the best pick available.

If you doubt the 2% figure....just think of the jokic draft. Not a single one of the first 40ish picks was successful in taking the BPA. I think ppl would be shocked at how low the frequency is for taking BPA.

The raptors are far and away the best drafting team in the nba during masai's tenure and it's not even close. There's some good statistical analysis for this available and there is a HUGE gap between the raps and the second best team.

[Merit]

He is everyone's type of player. Just a great basketball player.

Fits any team! In a Re-Draft....

1. Cade
2. Barnes
3. Mobley
4. Giddey
5. Jalen Green
6. Franz Wagner
7. Kuminga

Barnes first. He can do everything.

It's so hard to choose Barnes first right now because if we had Mobley we probably win more games - especially with our current bigs. The raptors' length and strength model is unique though! Agreed that Scottie's a dope player. It's a toss-up for me between Barnes and Mobley but I'm hoping he is the undisputed best player from this class down the road.

[TdotBasketball]

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[Merit]

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In a smart world Orlando fans should have been devastated we picked Barnes and Raptors fans should have been celebrating like we won the chip. We live in opposite land lol

Basically, there's a reason why they pay millions for professionals to make assessments rather than what looks like RealGM posters in those videos.

Exactly. I wasn't sure of the pick because I didn't really know Scottie all that well and thought we needed a PG like Suggs to play alongside Fred the way Kyle did. That said, I always give the benefit of the doubt to the Raps FO. They've earned it. As such, I was chill with the choice.

[WuTang_CMB]

He’s a monster. Period.

[WuTang_CMB]

Fits any team! In a Re-Draft....

1. Cade
2. Barnes
3. Mobley
4. Giddey
5. Jalen Green
6. Franz Wagner
7. Kuminga

Barnes first. He can do everything.

It's so hard to choose Barnes first right now because if we had Mobley we probably win more games - especially with our current bigs. The raptors' length and strength model is unique though! Agreed that Scottie's a dope player. It's a toss-up for me between Barnes and Mobley but I'm hoping he is the undisputed best player from this class down the road.

Barnes has had the biggest impact on the floor than all of the rookies. Mobley is great but he isn’t guarding up and down the lineup like scottie is, which is what this team relied on all year. His playmaking and scoring have been a huge surprise as well.

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[ATLTimekeeper]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

Elon Musk is so good that he became the richest man in the world but smart people question him all the time. No one is perfect and Masai certainly is not. E.g., here's what SI said about drafting Delon Wright in 2015:

"Grade C: Not sure I understand this pick. The Raptors are set at point guard with Kyle Lowry, who signed a four-year, $48 million contract last summer. They have a need at power forward and several—a group that includes Bobby Portis, Kevon Looney and Montrezl Harrell—were available."

They were right about Portis and Harrell as better picks. Then there was the infamous Bruno Caboclo reach who should've went in Round 2. If he was infallible and reaching into the 2nd round that year, should've been Nikola Jokić. Masai is still by far the best Executive we've ever had, but doubting even the best is not wrong.

Chris Mannix gave Philly an A for Jahlil Okafor, Orlando and A for Mario Henzonjia, Denver a B+ for Mudiay He was really wrong that year. Just look at the picks after Delon (C-) that he gave better grades to.

Justin Anderson B
Bobby P A-
RHJ B-
Tyus Jones B+
Jarrell Martin B
Milutinov B
Larry Nance Jr B
RJ Hunter B+
Chris McCollough B+
Kevon Looney A

Delon had a better career than all but 3 of those guys and maybe 6-7 guys taken ahead of him that Mannix gave higher grades to. So this guy was mostly wrong.

[Johnny Bball]

I get that mock drafts had us taking Suggs but I can't understand why fans weren't giving Masai and Bobby the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing by drafting Scottie.

We'll never have access to all the insights and variables that these guys are accounting for so I generally give management the benefit of the doubt anyways but we actually have an established front office that has not only won a championship but has shown that they have an eye for talent.

If we had a bad front office all the fan blowback and pessimism might've made sense but we have a good front office. Hopefully most of it was just in the moment.

Elon Musk is so good that he became the richest man in the world but smart people question him all the time. No one is perfect and Masai certainly is not. E.g., here's what SI said about drafting Delon Wright in 2015:

"Grade C: Not sure I understand this pick. The Raptors are set at point guard with Kyle Lowry, who signed a four-year, $48 million contract last summer. They have a need at power forward and several—a group that includes Bobby Portis, Kevon Looney and Montrezl Harrell—were available."

They were right about Portis and Harrell as better picks. Then there was the infamous Bruno Caboclo reach who should've went in Round 2. If he was infallible and reaching into the 2nd round that year, should've been Nikola Jokić. Masai is still by far the best Executive we've ever had, but doubting even the best is not wrong.

Chris Mannix gave Philly an A for Jahlil Okafor, Orlando and A for Mario Henzonjia, Denver a B+ for Mudiay He was really wrong that year. Just look at the picks after Delon (C-) that he gave better grades to.

Justin Anderson B
Bobby P A-
RHJ B-
Tyus Jones B+
Jarrell Martin B
Milutinov B
Larry Nance Jr B
RJ Hunter B+
Chris McCollough B+
Kevon Looney A

Delon had a better career than all but 3 of those guys and maybe 6-7 guys taken ahead of him that Mannix gave higher grades to. So this guy was mostly wrong.

Yeah. Looney was the guy I thought they would pick that year. For the first 3-4 years that looked like a miss but he's been a good player. Harrell was not a miss. Portis isn't anything to cry about either but decent glue guy now.