Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[will]

Scottish, bayyyybeeeee!

[gbball]

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This fanbase is so blatantly divided, we get 2 highlight reels - one for the haters and another for the stans.

On a more serious note, I like what I’n seeing, there’s some fire and intent here

He definitely raises his level when the lights are brighter.

[Tha Cynic]

Yup, definitely hope he gets a new trainer. Whatever he is doing isn't helping Scottie at all from the few clips we have seen. Hopefully they're doing some of that skill development away from cameras.

One thing I notice is that Barnes pulls out new moves and just looks better overall with the jumper halfway into an NBA season. It makes me wonder if the Raptors trainers are helping him get better after the season starts while his runs with his personal trainer aren't doing much for him lol

[HumbleRen]

Both things can be true, that a player spending time with team USA for skills development being a good thing, and a player taking time to do individual workouts without commitment to national team also being the right decision for them. I can name infinite players who have not been part of team USA yet turned out to be star players including the three best players in the league (Giannis, Joker, Embiid).

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Giannis plays for the Greece team and Jokic for his own country’s team.

Franz played for his German team at the Euro basket last year.

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Getting reps as the lead ball handler facing all kinds of defences is crucial for development. Franz making the biggest leap out of his draft class last season was not a coincidence in my opinion.

I agree that it’s not the end all be all but I think when it comes to Scottie he would really benefit from a different setting in regards to training.

Scottie having the same trainer since middle school is commendable but when you at the pro’s, you need to work with the best of the best. What got you to the league isn’t enough anymore.

Which superstar teammate is Jokic or Giannis learning from their national team? I'm confident in saying Rico Hines probably has more talent in their practice sessions than those NT teams. But I do agree that Scottie needs to change his off-season Trainor, like 2 years ago.

Rico Hines is not the same as playing professional basketball man lol.

Rico Hines is literally the YMCA for NBA players.

[Los_29]

All the players on the cusp of stardom go on to play with team USA have come back a much better player imo.

That’s not from being on Team USA. Lol. That’s from being 22 years old. A lot of players turn down this opportunity because they want to focus on their game instead. That’s why you have guys like Mason Plumlee, Langston Galloway and Derrick White filling out the roster in years past.

Scottie doesn’t need game reps, he needs to develop his skills and that is going to be done in the gym with coaches and trainers. A lot of players have had great insight about this.

Disagree. Team USA has the best of the best in regards to training, development skill work and coaching. There's no negatives for a player in their early 20's to be apart of the program.

Playing the best of your peers and working out with them will never be a negative to me lol.

You said it yourself last year, skill development is done in individual workouts. Are you flip flopping again?

Clearly there are negatives because Team USA is rolling with a team of guys like Bobby Portis, Austin Reaves, Josh Hart, Walker Kessler and Cameron Johnson. Do you think that's the best they could've gotten? Lots of young players turned down this opportunity and it's been happening for years now. For a player like Scottie, he needs to focus on skill development not getting 15-20 minutes a game in 60 point blowouts against Greece and Jordan. If you think Jordan and Greece is "playing the best of your peers" I highly recommend you take a look at their rosters. LOL.

[Boogie!]

I'm honestly not concerned bout offseason workout videos. Year after year we'd get highlights of demar shooting 5 million 3s in the gym, or valanciunas dominating with Lithuania or bargs with Italy, etc etc only to come in the next season with no noticeable improvement to their game.

Well see how scottie performs in his new role once the season starts.

[HumbleRen]

That’s not from being on Team USA. Lol. That’s from being 22 years old. A lot of players turn down this opportunity because they want to focus on their game instead. That’s why you have guys like Mason Plumlee, Langston Galloway and Derrick White filling out the roster in years past.

Scottie doesn’t need game reps, he needs to develop his skills and that is going to be done in the gym with coaches and trainers. A lot of players have had great insight about this.

Disagree. Team USA has the best of the best in regards to training, development skill work and coaching. There's no negatives for a player in their early 20's to be apart of the program.

Playing the best of your peers and working out with them will never be a negative to me lol.

You said it yourself last year, skill development is done in individual workouts. Are you flip flopping again?

Clearly there are negatives because Team USA is rolling with a team of guys like Bobby Portis, Austin Reaves, Josh Hart, Walker Kessler and Cameron Johnson. Do you think that's the best they could've gotten? Lots of young players turned down this opportunity and it's been happening for years now. For a player like Scottie, he needs to focus on skill development not getting 15-20 minutes a game in 60 point blowouts against Greece and Jordan. If you think Jordan and Greece is "playing the best of your peers" I highly recommend you take a look at their rosters. LOL.

I really don’t care what you have to say on this lol.

I just personally think team USA trainers and being in that type of professional environment is better than whatever Scottie is currently doing with his middle school trainer.

[billy_hoyle]

I'm honestly not concerned bout offseason workout videos. Year after year we'd get highlights of demar shooting 5 million 3s in the gym, or valanciunas dominating with Lithuania or bargs with Italy, etc etc only to come in the next season with no noticeable improvement to their game.

Well see how scottie performs in his new role once the season starts.

Yep. DeMar is known for his stagnation and lack of skill development. Same player in his 3rd, 5th and 9th seasons. Nothing changed at all.

[HumbleRen]

Yup, definitely hope he gets a new trainer. Whatever he is doing isn't helping Scottie at all from the few clips we have seen. Hopefully they're doing some of that skill development away from cameras.

One thing I notice is that Barnes pulls out new moves and just looks better overall with the jumper halfway into an NBA season. It makes me wonder if the Raptors trainers are helping him get better after the season starts while his runs with his personal trainer aren't doing much for him lol

If he doesn’t really improve, Masai and the Raps have to step in and tell him to get a new voice in regards to his trainer.

[Stromile12]

Doesn't look to be going full try hard but I would've liked to see some more makes. I don't see Scottie as the player who will cross you over and hit a jumper even though that would be great. Most of his damage will be bully ball around the paint using his size and strength

[HangTime]

Why would you showcase anything you've been working? on during a summer run?
You'd just be giving your opponents more info so that they can prepare to face you.

[dTox]

Yup, definitely hope he gets a new trainer. Whatever he is doing isn't helping Scottie at all from the few clips we have seen. Hopefully they're doing some of that skill development away from cameras.

One thing I notice is that Barnes pulls out new moves and just looks better overall with the jumper halfway into an NBA season. It makes me wonder if the Raptors trainers are helping him get better after the season starts while his runs with his personal trainer aren't doing much for him lol

If he doesn’t really improve, Masai and the Raps have to step in and tell him to get a new voice in regards to his trainer.

The guy has no other NBA clients, his entire business is Scottie from what I see on his IG. I was suspicious the moment I saw that a few years ago

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[Boogie!]

I'm honestly not concerned bout offseason workout videos. Year after year we'd get highlights of demar shooting 5 million 3s in the gym, or valanciunas dominating with Lithuania or bargs with Italy, etc etc only to come in the next season with no noticeable improvement to their game.

Well see how scottie performs in his new role once the season starts.

Yep. DeMar is known for his stagnation and lack of skill development. Same player in his 3rd, 5th and 9th seasons. Nothing changed at all.

Not sure what you're offended about. Demar still can't consistently shoot 3s to this day.

My post was more to emphasize that regardless if Scottie is missing 5000 3s in practice or making 5000 3s in practice, if hesnot doing it in the game then what difference does it make. Theres countless stories of guys working on their fts in the gym, hitting 80% in practice and then once the bright lights are on they shoot 50. Thats why I'm not gonna make judgements based on offseason highlight packages. I'm sure og anunoby is in the gym right now working on his handles and different weaknesses in his game. I'm sure he's been doing it for years now which is why he wants a bigger role. Hasn't changed the fact that he's tripping over his feet every other possession.

I'm willing to be patient with Scottie at 21 and am not gonna declare him a bust or superstar because of offseason workout videos.

[HumbleRen]

Yup, definitely hope he gets a new trainer. Whatever he is doing isn't helping Scottie at all from the few clips we have seen. Hopefully they're doing some of that skill development away from cameras.

One thing I notice is that Barnes pulls out new moves and just looks better overall with the jumper halfway into an NBA season. It makes me wonder if the Raptors trainers are helping him get better after the season starts while his runs with his personal trainer aren't doing much for him lol

If he doesn’t really improve, Masai and the Raps have to step in and tell him to get a new voice in regards to his trainer.

The guy has no other NBA clients, his entire business is Scottie from what I see on his IG. I was suspicious the moment I saw that a few years ago

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I’m sick lmao

[Raps in 4]

Yup, definitely hope he gets a new trainer. Whatever he is doing isn't helping Scottie at all from the few clips we have seen. Hopefully they're doing some of that skill development away from cameras.

One thing I notice is that Barnes pulls out new moves and just looks better overall with the jumper halfway into an NBA season. It makes me wonder if the Raptors trainers are helping him get better after the season starts while his runs with his personal trainer aren't doing much for him lol

His trainer says he works out with him during the season too. He took credit for developing his mid-range game last spring.

I definitely wish he had a better trainer too though. The team should supply him with a list of trainers in the off-season.

[schshih]

I don't see trainers as a problem for Scottie Barnes. Last year, he already worked out with Tyler Relph, who trains players like Julius Randle, Myles Turner, and Buddy Hield. Before the NBA draft, Scottie also trained with another team. Needless to say last season we hired Rico, the main trainer of Pascal Siakam.

Skill development just takes time. Siakam needed two seasons to become an okay shooter, while Anunoby took two seasons to fix his free throw.

[Boogie!]

Yup, definitely hope he gets a new trainer. Whatever he is doing isn't helping Scottie at all from the few clips we have seen. Hopefully they're doing some of that skill development away from cameras.

One thing I notice is that Barnes pulls out new moves and just looks better overall with the jumper halfway into an NBA season. It makes me wonder if the Raptors trainers are helping him get better after the season starts while his runs with his personal trainer aren't doing much for him lol

His trainer says he works out with him during the season too. He took credit for developing his mid-range game last spring.

I definitely wish he had a better trainer too though. The team should supply him with a list of trainers in the off-season.

I'm not doubting That trainers can help but at some point its on the player putting it all together.
How many big men have trained with hakeem? Are they all dream shaking their way to stardom?

[whitehops]

You said it yourself last year, skill development is done in individual workouts. Are you flip flopping again?

Clearly there are negatives because Team USA is rolling with a team of guys like Bobby Portis, Austin Reaves, Josh Hart, Walker Kessler and Cameron Johnson. Do you think that's the best they could've gotten? Lots of young players turned down this opportunity and it's been happening for years now. For a player like Scottie, he needs to focus on skill development not getting 15-20 minutes a game in 60 point blowouts against Greece and Jordan. If you think Jordan and Greece is "playing the best of your peers" I highly recommend you take a look at their rosters. LOL.

have there been any reports of scottie turning down a spot?

and i agree. it would be a great experience but from what i've seen those practices are largely just getting down the sets they run, there's little skill development because they're all trying to get on the same page in a short amount of time.

cade was offered a spot on the main team but opted instead to join the select team with guys like jalen green, chet holmgren, keegan murray, etc. to focus on getting ready for the regular season, coming back from injury. i think that would've been a great middle ground for barnes since he'd get to play open runs against the national team but it's only like a four day commitment so he could still spend a ton of time on skill development.

[Federalies]

I’ll assume it’s the same game but it’s from a slightly different perspective so I’ll take it on July 29th!

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[ATLTimekeeper]

Scottie said he could run the offense like Jokic and his trainer showed him that he was the worst mid-range shooter in the league. These guys all know the same stuff, but if you can have one client and not blow smoke just for the gig than I can't imagine too many teams being upset at the working relationship. I think there could be some value to playing high value competition or alongside the best of the best that Team USA has, but this isn't that team. It's a bunch of guys that are in his peer group that won't teach him anything. If he turned it down to work on his game, good for him. If he was rejected/ignored, then he can use that as a chip.