JV at EuroBasket 2013 is Done, Lithuania Gets Silver

Volcano · Post #1721 » by **Volcano** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 6:56 am

UcanUwill wrote:I was surprised when I checked Jonas' averages. Even when he is not playing good, he remains productive. 9/7.3 on great efficiency in 22.5 minutes. Thats decent.

Nikola Vucevic is complete bust. I do think he is very overrated around here, but 6.8 pts. 3.5 rbs. and abysmal FG% ? Ouch.

Depends on your definition of "complete bust"..any NBA team would welcome a 7 footer who can put up ~13/12 on 51.9 FG% in his 2nd year.

If you're talking strictly Euro ball, then maybe, but I haven't seen him play.

Post #1722 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 7:11 am

UcanUwill wrote: Nikola Vucevic is complete bust. I do think he is very overrated around here, but 6.8 pts. 3.5 rbs. and abysmal FG% ? Ouch.

Volcano wrote:Depends on your definition of "complete bust"..any NBA team would welcome a 7 footer who can put up ~13/12 on 51.9 FG% in his 2nd year.

If you're talking strictly Euro ball, then maybe, but I haven't seen him play.

Yeah, this: you're talking just about FIBA, right? Vucevic was great for Orlando this past season. 13/12 in 33 mpg, 14/13 PER36. He was a shade under league-average efficiency, but a 12% (3.5 per game) ORB player at without huge turnover issues and having notably improved his foul rate from his rookie season (and his efficiency). Good range when he has his feet set, too.

Not an NBA bust, but yeah, looks like you're quoting FIBA stats, so I suppose that makes sense.

Anatomize · Post #1723 » by **Anatomize** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 7:16 am

UcanUwill wrote:I was surprised when I checked Jonas' averages. Even when he is not playing good, he remains productive. 9/7.3 on great efficiency in 22.5 minutes. Thats decent.

Nikola Vucevic is complete bust. I do think he is very overrated around here, but 6.8 pts. 3.5 rbs. and abysmal FG% ? Ouch.

Take it for what it's worth but I read on rotoworld that Vucevic has the flu and they think it's effecting his play.

Jstock12 · Post #1724 » by **Jstock12** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 9:17 am

I wouldn't call Vucevic a bust. He just doesn't really know how to play euro ball. He didn't move to NBA from Europe, he played in NCAA, so he might just need time to adjust to this completely different style of play.

LamarMatic7 · Post #1725 » by **LamarMatic7** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 10:28 am

JV4MVP wrote:LTU has little chance to compete against the Spain's, Greece's, etc. if it takes OT to beat a team such as Montenegro. I guess the goal would be to finish top 6 in order to play Canada in the WC. I understand every game has a probability but still, LTU is grinding out every single one even against significantly worse teams (e.g. Latvia & Montenegro). The only positive about going to OT was that the final result improved the +/- (winning by 7 as opposed to 3)

Hey, man! Latvian basketball fan here.

I went through the last few pages to see what Raptors fans think of the tournament and JV's performance. I am interested why are you so down on our team. You obviously know your stuff on European basketball. Moreover, of course, judging by the rosters we were the worst team in the group coming in the tournament. But I think we've proven that we can compete with everyone.

I'm completely confident that today we're advancing to the next tournament stage.

theycallmeZZ · Post #1726 » by **theycallmeZZ** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 12:11 pm

A little offtopic, but did anyone notice that the Italians have won all their 4 games w/o Bargnani? Aaaah I feel so much better now that he's gone...

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rfan · Post #1727 » by **rfan** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 12:27 pm

theycallmeZZ wrote:A little offtopic, but did anyone notice that the Italians have won all their 4 games w/o Bargnani? Aaaah I feel so much better now that he's gone...

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yup and its no surprize, same with LK, they just take bunch of terrible shots, dont defend, dont box out opponents on boards. It was pretty obvious why Toronto was terrible past few years. I just feel sad for Knicks and Fenerbahçe Ülker. I just dont understand how teams keep biting on these baits...

VanGuard · Post #1728 » by **VanGuard** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 1:00 pm

theycallmeZZ wrote:A little offtopic, but did anyone notice that the Italians have won all their 4 games w/o Bargnani? Aaaah I feel so much better now that he's gone...

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Italy is coming back to the game

UcanUwill · Post #1729 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 1:54 pm

tsherkin wrote:
UcanUwill wrote: Nikola Vucevic is complete bust. I do think he is very overrated around here, but 6.8 pts. 3.5 rbs. and abysmal FG% ? Ouch.

Volcano wrote:Depends on your definition of "complete bust"..any NBA team would welcome a 7 footer who can put up ~13/12 on 51.9 FG% in his 2nd year.

If you're talking strictly Euro ball, then maybe, but I haven't seen him play.

Yeah, this: you're talking just about FIBA, right? Vucevic was great for Orlando this past season. 13/12 in 33 mpg, 14/13 PER36. He was a shade under league-average efficiency, but a 12% (3.5 per game) ORB player at without huge turnover issues and having notably improved his foul rate from his rookie season (and his efficiency). Good range when he has his feet set, too.

Not an NBA bust, but yeah, looks like you're quoting FIBA stats, so I suppose that makes sense.

With bust, I mean bust of the tournament. He is the biggest name on team Montenegro and people were expecting way better than this. He is obviously not a career bust.

Tho I dont find him impressive. He is just a very good rebounder, offensive he is very overrated, I saw Magic fans comparing him to Brook... He is the most generic C in the league, has one move and draws no fouls. A lot of posters here think he is better than JV, and its just not true. People are captivated by double double.

Jstock12 wrote:I wouldn't call Vucevic a bust. He just doesn't really know how to play euro ball. He didn't move to NBA from Europe, he played in NCAA, so he might just need time to adjust to this completely different style of play.

He was absolutely killing in Montenegro during the lockout. He looks like Euro center to me, just badly under performs.

Post #1730 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:18 pm

Yeah, he doesn't look like he'll have anything resembling BroPez's offensive impact, but in the void left by Howard's departure, him and Nicholson are looking pretty good as a frontcourt foundation upon which to move forward

Gntts · Post #1731 » by **Gntts** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:29 pm

JV4MVP wrote:LTU has little chance to compete against the Spain's, Greece's, etc. if it takes OT to beat a team such as Montenegro.

Greece has just lost to Finland.

AK47MVP · Post #1732 » by **AK47MVP** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:40 pm

This championship is wide open. Spain is still favorite but any team can win it.
Lithuania needs to win or lose by no more then 9 pts to advance. Will JV start?

AK47MVP · Post #1733 » by **AK47MVP** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:47 pm

Here is hope Pocius will let me forget about Seibutis.

Kastas · Post #1734 » by **Kastas** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:47 pm

Valanciunas with a steal.

AK47MVP · Post #1735 » by **AK47MVP** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:48 pm

How is that not a clean block? WTF refs.

theycallmeZZ · Post #1736 » by **theycallmeZZ** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:49 pm

THAT WAS ALL BALL STUPID REFS

theycallmeZZ · Post #1737 » by **theycallmeZZ** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:49 pm

Oh c'mon...

Chocobanana · Post #1738 » by **Chocobanana** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:53 pm

Dafug happened to Jonas' hair

BeerBall · Post #1739 » by **BeerBall** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 3:57 pm

AK47MVP wrote:Here is hope Pocius will let me forget about Seibutis.

No hope. Did you see that bad play by Pocius?

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1740 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Sep 9, 2013 4:00 pm

They're really struggling in transition. Linas is jogging out there.

EDIT: He played the whole quarter for some reason. Ended it with a stupid charge.