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Thor23 wrote:Think LAL would go for a Demar and #9 for Clarkson, Nance JR and #3?
That would be my DREAM
Free up capspace this offseason for a middle tier PF....
Lowry/Joseph
Ross/Clarkson
Carroll/Powell
Ppat/Nance JR
JV/Bebe
Thor23 wrote:gerrit4 wrote:Thor23 wrote:Think LAL would go for a Demar and #9 for Clarkson, Nance JR and #3?
That would be my DREAM
Free up capspace this offseason for a middle tier PF....
Lowry/Joseph
Ross/Clarkson
Carroll/Powell
Ppat/Nance JR
JV/Bebe
I'm pretty sure you can't combine a S&T player with a pick. So it would need to be Demar for #3 and filler, and #9 for Clarkson and Nance Jr. I don't see them doing Demar for #3 and filler.
probably not,....but they gotta replace kobe!
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
Slo wrote:Thor23 wrote:gerrit4 wrote:
I'm pretty sure you can't combine a S&T player with a pick. So it would need to be Demar for #3 and filler, and #9 for Clarkson and Nance Jr. I don't see them doing Demar for #3 and filler.
probably not,....but they gotta replace kobe!
and why exactly would they throw away the #3 pick and Clarkson when they can just sign Demar in free agency without giving up assets?? come on guys, logic..
lolwut wrote:I don't understand how Bender is a consensus #3 pick in this draft. He should be a consensus bust.
It's like when Hasheem Thabeet was a consensus #2 pick in his draft. What exactly did people see that made them think "superstar" instead of "bust"?
Clementine9 wrote:Missed shots are unfortunate, but it's the trends throughout the game that matter.
Choker wrote:The swing in how Raptors fans have supported and turned on Powell is a good case study of human behavior.
Dr Positivity wrote:I'd be very interested in Zhou Qi with TOR 1st. Thing about him is this isn't just a Darko or Bruno where the only thing is the tools and he's barely played. Zhou has positive numbers backing them up, even if they're CBA numbers. He's been a great player somewhere. He's 1st by far in blks/40 in the CBA, 1st in TS%, 40th in pts/min, 17th in reb, 68th in ast, 52nd in stl. Say we compare the CBA to the D League, both are the wild wild west statistically. If you took those ranks and transcribed it to D League stats, per 40 minutes he would average:
19.3 pts, 2.6 ast, 11.1 reb, 1.5 stl, 6.2 blk, .718 TS%
Even if Zhou Qi is 23 years old this is an interesting prospect because he's blocking shots almost like D League Hassan Whiteside while scoring at an amazing TS. You add that to very interesting tools as having a 7'7 wingspan who was 9 for 15 from 3 this year and hits 75% from the FT line. Possible Zhou Qi comes in and immediately is blocking shots at an elite rate, putting up a good TS% and flashing signs of 3pt potential. That would look like a huge steal in today's NBA game. Like drafting Gobert in the 20s.
By the way the same CBA to D League transcription for 14-15 Mudiay would have given him a statline of
20.4 pts, 7.7 ast, 9.2 reb, 1.9 stl, 0.4 blk, 3.2 TOV, .550 TS%
So while he may be significantly older, Zhou's stats are better.
Thespianoid wrote:OAKLEY_2 wrote:lolwut wrote:I don't understand how Bender is a consensus #3 pick in this draft. He should be a consensus bust.
It's like when Hasheem Thabeet was a consensus #2 pick in his draft. What exactly did people see that made them think "superstar" instead of "bust"?
All the measurement things that people around here get silly about.
your understanding is the quintessential "superstar-bust" dichotomy. That's not how any of this works.
if you two think all Bender has are measurements, then you couldn't be more wrong. He's not in the same stratosphere as Hasheem Thabeet as a prospect, who was just an unskilled giant feasting on smaller players in college. He literally did nothing well except block shots.
He has bust potential, yes. He's a unique prospect that needs to be developed and utilized correctly in order to reach his full potential. It's actually better for him that he'll be allowed to be on the perimeter, because if he was drafted a few years ago he might have been forced to become a traditional big and that would have completely killed his career.
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**** it. I'll explain why Bender is such a highly touted prospect. Firstly, in a league where 4's and 5's are increasingly asked to switch and guard smaller players on the perimeter, his mobility at his size (legit C measurements) is second to none. He moves like a SF. Combine that with an actual drive to D up on switches and good team defensive concepts he's already got good value there. Moreso than the other playmaking PF prospects like Dario Saric and Henry Ellenson, who will struggle defensively either due to poor measurements or lack of foot speed.
Of course that's not where I believe most of his intrigue comes from. It comes from his court vision/basketball IQ/playmaking at his size and position. He won't be a focal point offensively because that's not in his skillset or mentality, but he'll do all the other things well. Has the ballhandling to push off a miss and in transition. Put the ball on the floor and attack closeouts, either to score or make plays for teammates. He can catch the ball in the post and find open players weakside. Combine that with a possibility to run some PnR as the ballhandler at 7'1 and you've got a unique guy who fits the mold of the perimeter playmaking 4. I see him as a Draymond/Kirilenko type guy - excelling in a secondary/playmaking role but without the shot creation skills of an elite star. Add in developing but inconsistent 3PT range and you start to see what the full package is. The ultimate glue guy, really. Teams draft for potential, and his potential is sky-high if he can put it together.
He was really minimized in the role he had at Maccabi Tel Aviv, mainly because he couldn't battle in the paint. And here's where we get to the issues - he's too thin at this juncture, and he doesn't have enough lift really to compensate for that at both ends. He'll get blocked under the rim, or sometimes to finish drives. Guys will finish over him if he's late on his help. Though you have to remember he's still 18 years old, playing against grown men. He hasn't filled out yet. He'll always be on the thinner side, like Porzingis or Dirk or Kevin Durant. Can he put on enough weight to battle in the paint for rebounds/traffic finishes and occasionally defend stronger guys in the post? Because he'll need to be able to hold his own down there and not get bullied.
He's not a soft guy in the paint. He'll battle but he can't do anything due to lack of strength. In this sense he's like Porzingis, who was able to mitigate that by keeping up his aggressiveness and gaining a bit of strength. But Porzingis is very different - not quite the mobility of Bender but better lift and length, plus his approach to the game is as a scorer, while Bender's is as a complementary facilitator.
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Thespianoid wrote:OAKLEY_2 wrote:
All the measurement things that people around here get silly about.
your understanding is the quintessential "superstar-bust" dichotomy. That's not how any of this works.
if you two think all Bender has are measurements, then you couldn't be more wrong. He's not in the same stratosphere as Hasheem Thabeet as a prospect, who was just an unskilled giant feasting on smaller players in college. He literally did nothing well except block shots.
He has bust potential, yes. He's a unique prospect that needs to be developed and utilized correctly in order to reach his full potential. It's actually better for him that he'll be allowed to be on the perimeter, because if he was drafted a few years ago he might have been forced to become a traditional big and that would have completely killed his career.
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**** it. I'll explain why Bender is such a highly touted prospect. Firstly, in a league where 4's and 5's are increasingly asked to switch and guard smaller players on the perimeter, his mobility at his size (legit C measurements) is second to none. He moves like a SF. Combine that with an actual drive to D up on switches and good team defensive concepts he's already got good value there. Moreso than the other playmaking PF prospects like Dario Saric and Henry Ellenson, who will struggle defensively either due to poor measurements or lack of foot speed.
Of course that's not where I believe most of his intrigue comes from. It comes from his court vision/basketball IQ/playmaking at his size and position. He won't be a focal point offensively because that's not in his skillset or mentality, but he'll do all the other things well. Has the ballhandling to push off a miss and in transition. Put the ball on the floor and attack closeouts, either to score or make plays for teammates. He can catch the ball in the post and find open players weakside. Combine that with a possibility to run some PnR as the ballhandler at 7'1 and you've got a unique guy who fits the mold of the perimeter playmaking 4. I see him as a Draymond/Kirilenko type guy - excelling in a secondary/playmaking role but without the shot creation skills of an elite star. Add in developing but inconsistent 3PT range and you start to see what the full package is. The ultimate glue guy, really. Teams draft for potential, and his potential is sky-high if he can put it together.
He was really minimized in the role he had at Maccabi Tel Aviv, mainly because he couldn't battle in the paint. And here's where we get to the issues - he's too thin at this juncture, and he doesn't have enough lift really to compensate for that at both ends. He'll get blocked under the rim, or sometimes to finish drives. Guys will finish over him if he's late on his help. Though you have to remember he's still 18 years old, playing against grown men. He hasn't filled out yet. He'll always be on the thinner side, like Porzingis or Dirk or Kevin Durant. Can he put on enough weight to battle in the paint for rebounds/traffic finishes and occasionally defend stronger guys in the post? Because he'll need to be able to hold his own down there and not get bullied.
He's not a soft guy in the paint. He'll battle but he can't do anything due to lack of strength. In this sense he's like Porzingis, who was able to mitigate that by keeping up his aggressiveness and gaining a bit of strength. But Porzingis is very different - not quite the mobility of Bender but better lift and length, plus his approach to the game is as a scorer, while Bender's is as a complementary facilitator.
Since I was talking about Thabeet I got no come back for you slamming me about Bender. I actually really like Bender.
Clementine9 wrote:Missed shots are unfortunate, but it's the trends throughout the game that matter.
Choker wrote:The swing in how Raptors fans have supported and turned on Powell is a good case study of human behavior.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Just gorgeous. He's releasing that at 10-10.5 feet in the air. Who's blocking that? Dirk Nowitzki made a career on a jump shot with a high release (not comparing them, just saying). Add this jumper to shot blocking and we have our guy. Look no further, Skal SHOULD BE the pick.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/730563845987684352[/tweet]
Some more from Chad Fraud. And to those doubting whether or not Skal would be adding a 3, just stop, it's coming.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/730567036078833665[/tweet]
Thespianoid wrote:OAKLEY_2 wrote:Thespianoid wrote:
your understanding is the quintessential "superstar-bust" dichotomy. That's not how any of this works.
if you two think all Bender has are measurements, then you couldn't be more wrong. He's not in the same stratosphere as Hasheem Thabeet as a prospect, who was just an unskilled giant feasting on smaller players in college. He literally did nothing well except block shots.
He has bust potential, yes. He's a unique prospect that needs to be developed and utilized correctly in order to reach his full potential. It's actually better for him that he'll be allowed to be on the perimeter, because if he was drafted a few years ago he might have been forced to become a traditional big and that would have completely killed his career.
________________________________________________________________________________________
**** it. I'll explain why Bender is such a highly touted prospect. Firstly, in a league where 4's and 5's are increasingly asked to switch and guard smaller players on the perimeter, his mobility at his size (legit C measurements) is second to none. He moves like a SF. Combine that with an actual drive to D up on switches and good team defensive concepts he's already got good value there. Moreso than the other playmaking PF prospects like Dario Saric and Henry Ellenson, who will struggle defensively either due to poor measurements or lack of foot speed.
Of course that's not where I believe most of his intrigue comes from. It comes from his court vision/basketball IQ/playmaking at his size and position. He won't be a focal point offensively because that's not in his skillset or mentality, but he'll do all the other things well. Has the ballhandling to push off a miss and in transition. Put the ball on the floor and attack closeouts, either to score or make plays for teammates. He can catch the ball in the post and find open players weakside. Combine that with a possibility to run some PnR as the ballhandler at 7'1 and you've got a unique guy who fits the mold of the perimeter playmaking 4. I see him as a Draymond/Kirilenko type guy - excelling in a secondary/playmaking role but without the shot creation skills of an elite star. Add in developing but inconsistent 3PT range and you start to see what the full package is. The ultimate glue guy, really. Teams draft for potential, and his potential is sky-high if he can put it together.
He was really minimized in the role he had at Maccabi Tel Aviv, mainly because he couldn't battle in the paint. And here's where we get to the issues - he's too thin at this juncture, and he doesn't have enough lift really to compensate for that at both ends. He'll get blocked under the rim, or sometimes to finish drives. Guys will finish over him if he's late on his help. Though you have to remember he's still 18 years old, playing against grown men. He hasn't filled out yet. He'll always be on the thinner side, like Porzingis or Dirk or Kevin Durant. Can he put on enough weight to battle in the paint for rebounds/traffic finishes and occasionally defend stronger guys in the post? Because he'll need to be able to hold his own down there and not get bullied.
He's not a soft guy in the paint. He'll battle but he can't do anything due to lack of strength. In this sense he's like Porzingis, who was able to mitigate that by keeping up his aggressiveness and gaining a bit of strength. But Porzingis is very different - not quite the mobility of Bender but better lift and length, plus his approach to the game is as a scorer, while Bender's is as a complementary facilitator.
Since I was talking about Thabeet I got no come back for you slamming me about Bender. I actually really like Bender.
yeah sorry I added your quote in with it, I was mainly trying to reply to lolwut. I'll edit the post.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Just gorgeous. He's releasing that at 10-10.5 feet in the air. Who's blocking that? Dirk Nowitzki made a career on a jump shot with a high release (not comparing them, just saying). Add this jumper to shot blocking and we have our guy. Look no further, Skal SHOULD BE the pick.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/730563845987684352[/tweet]
Some more from Chad Fraud. And to those doubting whether or not Skal would be adding a 3, just stop, it's coming.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/730567036078833665[/tweet]
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