2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[youreachiteach]

Goran for Serge?

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I had hoped they would make Mann available. Would be the 3 and D player we need.

Getting rid of Mann would be like asking us to trade OG --tremendous value for the Clips.

[Madhouse]

Goran for Serge?

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I had hoped they would make Mann available. Would be the 3 and D player we need.

Getting rid of Mann would be like asking us to trade OG --tremendous value for the Clips.

You are right, good value contract.

[Rodrickle]

I think that is expected.
With the exception of Dallas, I think he is largely viewed as a big expiring a team can use to wash contracts off their books for next season rather than as a means to improve their bench.

I guess that indicates he's not getting traded to a contender. Dragic plus two seconds to Orlando for Ross and Bamba?

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I think its unlikely as a contender would need to find 19m in matching salary to make it happen and there isn't a ton of dead salary on teams that may need his services;

Dragic's 19m for Ross and Bamba puts is near or over the tax so ideally Bonga goes along with Dragic;
I really did like that trade a few weeks ago as Ross as a bench vet is fine and Bamba we can see what we get for a few dozens games before having to pay him this summer,

The issue is Bamba's salary;
All things at the moment we would be around 30m from the tax threshold if everything went forward as is with no changes;
Then we add our FRP (between 2 - 4m) and use our MLE around 10m with upwards of 18m before the threshold.

Ross now eats 12.5m of that leaving is with 5.5m, Bamba for better or worse will likely command more than that.

That's only if we use our MLE though right? If we don't, we could re-sign him for 12-15M AAV and be under the tax right?

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[youreachiteach]

I wouldn't mind Ibaka and Bledsoe for Boucher, Dragic and say Mihaliuk or Bonga (to make money line up--we apparently have to take a bit less.

[Morris_Shatford]

I guess that indicates he's not getting traded to a contender. Dragic plus two seconds to Orlando for Ross and Bamba?

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I think its unlikely as a contender would need to find 19m in matching salary to make it happen and there isn't a ton of dead salary on teams that may need his services;

Dragic's 19m for Ross and Bamba puts is near or over the tax so ideally Bonga goes along with Dragic;
I really did like that trade a few weeks ago as Ross as a bench vet is fine and Bamba we can see what we get for a few dozens games before having to pay him this summer,

The issue is Bamba's salary;
All things at the moment we would be around 30m from the tax threshold if everything went forward as is with no changes;
Then we add our FRP (between 2 - 4m) and use our MLE around 10m with upwards of 18m before the threshold.

Ross now eats 12.5m of that leaving is with 5.5m, Bamba for better or worse will likely command more than that.

That's only if we use our MLE though right? If we don't, we could re-sign him for 12-15M AAV and be under the tax right?

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The issue is you would have four empty roster spots, one of which you fill with a FRP and are within a M or so from the tax depending on what Bamba gets.

[brownbobcat]

Goran for Serge?

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Goran+Flynn+Svi for Ibaka+Bledsoe?

Makes this season a little more interesting, don't really lose any assets for the future as far as I'm concerned and you can flip Bledsoe's contract next year as part of a package.

[Morris_Shatford]

The problem with a lot of this Ibaka / Bledsoe talk is between them both they make nearly 28m between them;
Dragic makes 19m so we have to make up 9m in salary to not get over the tax line.

The other issue is Bledsoe is slated to make 19.4m next season but only 3.9 is guaranteed.
There is no way we would exercise that option next season

Essentially we move all our expirings (Boucher included) for the privileged of paying Bledsoe to go away next season to be in the exact same spot as we would have been had we just let everyone expire on July 1st less the 3.9 we paid to Bledsoe.

If we really really really want Serge back for the next dozen or so games its likely Boucher + Expiring Min Guy and a separate Dragic deal which saves a million or two off our cap to keep Serge from putting us over the tax.

[douggood]

The problem with a lot of this Ibaka / Bledsoe talk is between them both they make nearly 28m between them;
Dragic makes 19m so we have to make up 9m in salary to not get over the tax line.

The other issue is Bledsoe is slated to make 19.4m next season but only 3.9 is guaranteed.
There is no way we would exercise that option next season

Essentially we move all our expirings (Boucher included) for the privileged of paying Bledsoe to go away next season to be in the exact same spot as we would have been had we just let everyone expire on July 1st less the 3.9 we paid to Bledsoe.

If we really really really want Serge back for the next dozen or so games its likely Boucher + Expiring Min Guy and a separate Dragic deal which saves a million or two off our cap to keep Serge from putting us over the tax.

i dont know where i read it or heard it(winhdorst rings a bell), but ibaka + cash + 2nd to OKC for a fake 2nd is basically already done, clippers just waiting till deadline incase they need the salary for something else and to lower ibaka owed salary for rest of year.

at deadline ibaka will have about apx 4 mil left to be paid out this year, clippers will give cash to OKC to cover it, and a sweetener of a 2nd.

because clipeprs are so over the tax, taking ibaka 9.5 mil off the books, saves them something like $30 million in taxes.

ibaka will be a buyout player.

[youreachiteach]

The problem with a lot of this Ibaka / Bledsoe talk is between them both they make nearly 28m between them;
Dragic makes 19m so we have to make up 9m in salary to not get over the tax line.

The other issue is Bledsoe is slated to make 19.4m next season but only 3.9 is guaranteed.
There is no way we would exercise that option next season

Essentially we move all our expirings (Boucher included) for the privileged of paying Bledsoe to go away next season to be in the exact same spot as we would have been had we just let everyone expire on July 1st less the 3.9 we paid to Bledsoe.

If we really really really want Serge back for the next dozen or so games its likely Boucher + Expiring Min Guy and a separate Dragic deal which saves a million or two off our cap to keep Serge from putting us over the tax.

i dont know where i read it or heard it(winhdorst rings a bell), but ibaka + cash + 2nd to OKC for a fake 2nd is basically already done, clippers just waiting till deadline incase they need the salary for something else and to lower ibaka owed salary for rest of year.

at deadline ibaka will have about apx 4 mil left to be paid out this year, clippers will give cash to OKC to cover it, and a sweetener of a 2nd.

because clipeprs are so over the tax, taking ibaka 9.5 mil off the books, saves them something like $30 million in taxes.

ibaka will be a buyout player.

Interesting. If true, it means we should be targeting a shooter rather than a big.

[Asif16]

Ibaka is washed and hell no to Bledsoe. What we need is a combo guard with size. Not another midget like Vanvleet.

Spencer Dinwiddie seems to be my favorite realistic target so far.

[Asif16]

If Wahington wants a ready player over a draft pick...I'll do

Dragic + Flynn for Dinwiddie

[Ell Curry]

Nobody even fantasizing about Beal, but Siakam, a first rounder and Dragic for Beal and Bertans works, as does Dragic + Boucher + Birch + 4 firsts or Trent + Dragic + 3 firsts or change the picks however you like. Obviously he'd have to agree to the super max and we'd have to be comfortable giving him the supermax for his age 29-33 seasons which is scary in its own right.

You want to trade Siakam AND a 1st rounder for someone that is on an expiring contract and another dude that is on one of the worst contracts in the league?

I said change the picks however you like or leave Siakam out, I just meant we make sense as a Beal team (as we're a play-in team who needs a scorer and Beal might be okay on D in our system since he's got good size for a guard and might be shamed by Van Vleet, Nurse and the others into giving a ****), though I agree we make more sense if it's adding Beal without losing any of the core 5 and just going for it.

On the other hand, he just got vaccinated and he hates defence. But he is the star version of the big scoring guard we talk about adding as a bench guy, only he's a plus starter.

[Ell Curry]

I could see Bledsoe and #45 for Dragic being our fallback plan. He fits us defensively well and then we cut him in the summer for 3.9M, still can probably just fit in Boucher and the MLE (maybe only 9M instead of the full 10) and we get a 2nd rounder for it.

[Oakvillehoops]

Even that deal is ridiculous.

ya no way Masai does that with this core of FVV and Siakam.

No way he does that from a value perspective unless he truly believes in Kuminga's potential. And I am not sure Kuminga is really a Masai type player given his lack of feel for the game and how little he contributes in other areas aside from scoring.

Didn’t mean literally just OG for Wiseman but them being the centrepieces. I think Wiseman is being grossly underrated, he never gonna shine in GS playing the garbage man

[Los_29]

ya no way Masai does that with this core of FVV and Siakam.

No way he does that from a value perspective unless he truly believes in Kuminga's potential. And I am not sure Kuminga is really a Masai type player given his lack of feel for the game and how little he contributes in other areas aside from scoring.

Didn’t mean literally just OG for Wiseman but them being the centrepieces. I think Wiseman is being grossly underrated, he never gonna shine in GS playing the garbage man

If anything, he's actually grossly overrated. He was literally one of the worst players in the league last year among those that played more than 20mpg. He doesn't know how to play yet. He's just an athlete. Golden State drafting Wiseman over Ball likely cost them another 1-2 championships. That's how bad it was.

Masai isn't giving up any one that is remotely valuable for any deal where Wiseman is a centrepiece.

[Lord_Zedd]

I could see Bledsoe and #45 for Dragic being our fallback plan. He fits us defensively well and then we cut him in the summer for 3.9M, still can probably just fit in Boucher and the MLE (maybe only 9M instead of the full 10) and we get a 2nd rounder for it.

Bledsoe's $4 million deadweight contract next year is alot of money to pay for a 2nd round pick.

Rather just use the MLE to get someone, yet our cap situation next year isn't much better either.

[original fan]

Dragic plus Flynn and 2 seconds for Dimwiddie is a great deal.He can soak up 30 mpg backing up both guard spots and give us great offence,the seconds Massai&co can replace with gems they find in undrafted.
If Clippers for some strange reasons trade Mann,i give them Boucher,flynn,and a first .Its worth it, cus the value of T.M is the equal of a top 10 pick, plus he can contribute right away and still be part of the core for the future.

[Ell Curry]

I could see Bledsoe and #45 for Dragic being our fallback plan. He fits us defensively well and then we cut him in the summer for 3.9M, still can probably just fit in Boucher and the MLE (maybe only 9M instead of the full 10) and we get a 2nd rounder for it.

Bledsoe's $4 million deadweight contract next year is alot of money to pay for a 2nd round pick.

Rather just use the MLE to get someone, yet our cap situation next year isn't much better either.

I think we can probably still just about do it. I have it at 19.9M after paying our first rounder and keeping Jalen Harris, Banton, Champagnie and then Svi sadly picking up his player option. So if it's Boucher for 20M over 2 years (this is a guess obviously) then we can use almost 9M of the 10M of the non-tax MLE. Not sure there's anyone we'll even want to pay the full exception for. It would cost us the 3.9M BAE I think though.

I guess ultimately it mostly depends what Masai thinks of the early 2nd round I guess. If

I remain unconvinced the MLE will bring us a decent player this year. The only guys I could see settling for the MLE and us being interested are Gary Harris, Kyle Anderson, Rubio, Schroder, Harrell (who I don't think Masai likes, or he'd be already), Bagley or Devincenzo, and I'm not sure 8.5M vs 10M is a huge difference in securing any of them. Can also maybe move Svi and just pay cash to that team if we need?

I think we could get one of those guys and still end up with a 2nd rounder if we do the Bledsoe deal. Also Svi may not take up his option or maybe we will draft a Euro like Kamagate or Jovic with our pick and stash them for a year.

Also less of a factor since we're "play-in for what", but Bledsoe would probably play 15 minutes a night for us as Nurse will like him defensively. He'll clank a bunch of 3s with Van Vleet on the bench though, which will be annoying. But he does fit the defend and run plan and is better than our other backups who aren't big men.

[Ell Curry]

ya no way Masai does that with this core of FVV and Siakam.

No way he does that from a value perspective unless he truly believes in Kuminga's potential. And I am not sure Kuminga is really a Masai type player given his lack of feel for the game and how little he contributes in other areas aside from scoring.

Didn’t mean literally just OG for Wiseman but them being the centrepieces. I think Wiseman is being grossly underrated, he never gonna shine in GS playing the garbage man

Boucher and Flynn feels like the max offer and Golden State won't take that, even if Boucher might help them.

[Ell Curry]

If Wahington wants a ready player over a draft pick...I'll do

Dragic + Flynn for Dinwiddie

I think we'd need draft compensation to take Dinwiddie's 2 years. We'd be over the tax if we kept Boucher next year, so this makes more sense if we move Boucher for an expiring and a 2nd rounder I guess.