Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[Reeko]

I actually feel bad for Jalen Green, having to develop with the Rockets. I'm a fan of coach Silas, but roster construction (too many guards of Green's profile), constant losing and the personalities that they've collected have made for a challenging environment for the kid.

I've watched a couple of his games, he's insanely talented offensively. Completely lost on D but room for improvement.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32976704/houston-rockets-kevin-porter-jr-leaves-arena-half-confrontation

It seems that the situation he finds himself in with Houston is way more toxic and unprofessional than when he was with the G League Ignite. I think he'll be fine because I think he has a good head on his shoulders, but the Rockets under Ferttita are a train wreck and that's got to be a miserable situation for any young player to grow in.

[Lord_Zedd]

I actually feel bad for Jalen Green, having to develop with the Rockets. I'm a fan of coach Silas, but roster construction (too many guards of Green's profile), constant losing and the personalities that they've collected have made for a challenging environment for the kid.

I've watched a couple of his games, he's insanely talented offensively. Completely lost on D but room for improvement.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32976704/houston-rockets-kevin-porter-jr-leaves-arena-half-confrontation

It seems that the situation he finds himself in with Houston is way more toxic and unprofessional than when he was with the G League Ignite. I think he'll be fine because I think he has a good head on his shoulders, but the Rockets under Ferttita are a train wreck and that's got to be a miserable situation for any young player to grow in.

2nd time now with Porter Jr and that's exactly why he was had for a top 55 protected 2nd.... his chances of getting another NBA contract is super slim. And Christian Wood had some attitude issues with Milwaukee complaining about playing time - as an end of the bench type player.

There's a reason why Mobley refused to workout for the Rockets. And I don't think it's because they knew about them being deadset on drafting Green.

[OakleyDokely]

Developing your top pick in a losing and toxic environment is not ideal.

What the Cavs and Raps are doing with Mobley and Barnes is the way to go. Having them play meaningful games right away with quality teammates will make them better long term compared to letting them chuck it from anywhere in 30 point losses.

[Los_29]

I've said it before, I think the Rockets have the worst constructed team in the league. Some people here were salivating over Christian Wood and KPJ and this is the exact reason why these guys have little to no value around the league. Not only does their game not impact winning but they have character issues as well. You don't want these guys on your team, plain and simple.

Secondly, Jalen Green is an extremely athletic, gifted scorer. But I haven't seen him do anything else other then score. I honestly don't understand how NBA executives can be so wrong when they are at such a high level. Mistakes like these shouldn't be made in the top 4 of the lottery especially when it's something so obvious.

[Psubs]

I've said it before, I think the Rockets have the worst constructed team in the league. Some people here were salivating over Christian Wood and KPJ and this is the exact reason why these guys have little to no value around the league. Not only does their game not impact winning but they have character issues as well. You don't want these guys on your team, plain and simple.

Secondly, Jalen Green is an extremely athletic, gifted scorer. But I haven't seen him do anything else other then score. I honestly don't understand how NBA executives can be so wrong when they are at such a high level. Mistakes like these shouldn't be made in the top 4 of the lottery especially when it's something so obvious.

Jalen Green is like still projected to be Zach Lavine.

I feel like Raptors management sees that the SG's tend to be overpaid yet are the easiest to fill in a player making half the salary for 3/4 of the production. Also can trade to upgrade later.

[Los_29]

I've said it before, I think the Rockets have the worst constructed team in the league. Some people here were salivating over Christian Wood and KPJ and this is the exact reason why these guys have little to no value around the league. Not only does their game not impact winning but they have character issues as well. You don't want these guys on your team, plain and simple.

Secondly, Jalen Green is an extremely athletic, gifted scorer. But I haven't seen him do anything else other then score. I honestly don't understand how NBA executives can be so wrong when they are at such a high level. Mistakes like these shouldn't be made in the top 4 of the lottery especially when it's something so obvious.

Jalen Green is like still projected to be Zach Lavine.

I feel like Raptors management sees that the SG's tend to be overpaid yet are the easiest to fill in a player making half the salary for 3/4 of the production. Also can trade to upgrade later.

Yep and Zach Lavine is a guy that has been in the league for 6-7 years and has never made the playoffs. You don't really want to draft the next Lavine when you got guys like Mobley and Barnes still on the board.

Lavine is a talented scorer, amazingly athletic but I have never been a big fan of his.

[Badonkadonk]

Developing your top pick in a losing and toxic environment is not ideal.

What the Cavs and Raps are doing with Mobley and Barnes is the way to go. Having them play meaningful games right away with quality teammates will make them better long term compared to letting them chuck it from anywhere in 30 point losses.

Environment matters so much. Toxicity aside, roster and coach synergy can set a kid on a completely different course.

For example I'm far from the biggest Thibs fan, but I think Jalen on the Knicks would've been a great match from a roster and coach perspective. He'd provide exactly what the roster needs (dynamic scoring) in a decent system and for a coach who has earned the respect of an athletic, otherwordly scorer in the past (Rose, who absolutely loves Thibs).

[Lord_Zedd]

Developing your top pick in a losing and toxic environment is not ideal.

What the Cavs and Raps are doing with Mobley and Barnes is the way to go. Having them play meaningful games right away with quality teammates will make them better long term compared to letting them chuck it from anywhere in 30 point losses.

Can't remember if it was Givony or Zach Lowe who mentioned (thinking the former), the players projected in the top 10 were hoping to be drafted by the Raptors or Golden State.

Houston couldn't even get Suggs to workout for them either. I can't even remember a time when players didn't want to workout for a team that had a 2nd overall pick.

[Los_29]

I really do find it bizarre what Houston is doing. My only theory is that they got KPJ and Wood because they would put up stats albeit empty stats which wouldn't result in winning but would give the allusion to casual fans that they are building an exciting, up and coming team. This will obviously not pan out but it will result in them bottoming out and getting a couple high picks the next 2-3 years. Unfortunately they haven't proven they can draft yet and they've created such a toxic environment for Jalen that he will probably be wanting out in 2-3 years anyway or all this losing would have already ruined him by then.

[Basketball_Jones]

Jalen is only 20, he’s going to be fine. This is just not his season. There are still things he possesses that you can’t teach, that Barnes and Mobley will never have. Explosive first step, speed, elevation, footwork. I do feel he can get to Trae Young/John Wall level, and that’s a player that can win you a playoff series. Barnes and Mobley have such high ceilings though, we’re talking NBA 75 type.

[Madhouse]

He was rusty. But +19 at least. Should see a better performance vs Spurs after getting back into the swing of things.

[will]

He was rusty. But +19 at least. Should see a better performance vs Spurs after getting back into the swing of things.

For a guy who was out for a week and with knee tendinitis, he looked pretty gotdamn spry.

Then again, he is a 20 year old kid.

Overall, he really didn't do a ton that stood out. Scraping for opportunities on offense, with a tip in and a pull up 3.

[HumbleRen]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

[KINGTHANOS]

anyone see Khem and him last night on the bench ? Khem was towering over him lol.

Either Barnes really is 6’7/8 or Khem is 6’10

Got a pic? Maybe he was hunching or his height is more in his legs?

[Sister]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

I would agree with this. Right now Mobley is still top dawg.

Giddey is #2 in my mind. This kid has it all (minus the defense). Court vision is so elite. I would have been happy taking him as well. I would love to see Barnes develop and be given the opportunity to push the ball up the court like Giddey has received.

The other hot riser is Franz Wagner. I would never have thought this prior to the draft....never.

[YogurtProducer]

I've said it before, I think the Rockets have the worst constructed team in the league. Some people here were salivating over Christian Wood and KPJ and this is the exact reason why these guys have little to no value around the league. Not only does their game not impact winning but they have character issues as well. You don't want these guys on your team, plain and simple.

Secondly, Jalen Green is an extremely athletic, gifted scorer. But I haven't seen him do anything else other then score. I honestly don't understand how NBA executives can be so wrong when they are at such a high level. Mistakes like these shouldn't be made in the top 4 of the lottery especially when it's something so obvious.

Jalen Green is like still projected to be Zach Lavine.

I feel like Raptors management sees that the SG's tend to be overpaid yet are the easiest to fill in a player making half the salary for 3/4 of the production. Also can trade to upgrade later.

Yep and Zach Lavine is a guy that has been in the league for 6-7 years and has never made the playoffs. You don't really want to draft the next Lavine when you got guys like Mobley and Barnes still on the board.

Lavine is a talented scorer, amazingly athletic but I have never been a big fan of his.

I do not think we can blame Lavine that he has been on **** teams his whole career

[Psubs]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

I would agree with this. Right now Mobley is still top dawg.

Giddey is #2 in my mind. This kid has it all (minus the defense). Court vision is so elite. I would have been happy taking him as well. I would love to see Barnes develop and be given the opportunity to push the ball up the court like Giddey has received.

The other hot riser is Franz Wagner. I would never have thought this prior to the draft....never.

Giddey is essentially a tall Ricky Rubio. Can't shoot from outside and bad on defense. Maybe he develops in those areas.

Mobley, Cade, Franz and Scottie, then Giddey in ROY. If Giddey would win it it would be like Michael Carter-Williams winning by putting up offensive numbers on a bad team.

[will]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

I would agree with this. Right now Mobley is still top dawg.

Giddey is #2 in my mind. This kid has it all (minus the defense). Court vision is so elite. I would have been happy taking him as well. I would love to see Barnes develop and be given the opportunity to push the ball up the court like Giddey has received.

The other hot riser is Franz Wagner. I would never have thought this prior to the draft....never.

Giddey is essentially a tall Ricky Rubio. Can't shoot from outside and bad on defense. Maybe he develops in those areas.

Mobley, Cade, Franz and Scottie, then Giddey in ROY. If Giddey would win it it would be like Michael Carter-Williams winning by putting up offensive numbers on a bad team.

Right down to the shaggy hair.

[DG88]

What I found good to see is Nurse putting Scottie at PG once Fred goes to the bench. He's done it for a few games now and it really keeps the offense running smoothly. I want to see Scottie getting more of those reps.

[Sister]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

I would agree with this. Right now Mobley is still top dawg.

Giddey is #2 in my mind. This kid has it all (minus the defense). Court vision is so elite. I would have been happy taking him as well. I would love to see Barnes develop and be given the opportunity to push the ball up the court like Giddey has received.

The other hot riser is Franz Wagner. I would never have thought this prior to the draft....never.

Giddey is essentially a tall Ricky Rubio. Can't shoot from outside and bad on defense. Maybe he develops in those areas.

Mobley, Cade, Franz and Scottie, then Giddey in ROY. If Giddey would win it it would be like Michael Carter-Williams winning by putting up offensive numbers on a bad team.

Your comparison of Giddey with Rubio is a tad premature, don't you think. His shot from distance is definitely a work in progress, but the other skills are more advanced than I had anticipated as a 19 year old. And the height difference is not simply a throw-away observation; he is an elite rebounder for a point guard and will continue to improve with physical growth and maturity. And when he actually plays with better teammates his assist rate will only go up. Look at the scrubs he is playing with and passing to.

Either way, the ROY is Mobley's to lose.