Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[Reeko]

Yup, definitely hope he gets a new trainer. Whatever he is doing isn't helping Scottie at all from the few clips we have seen. Hopefully they're doing some of that skill development away from cameras.

One thing I notice is that Barnes pulls out new moves and just looks better overall with the jumper halfway into an NBA season. It makes me wonder if the Raptors trainers are helping him get better after the season starts while his runs with his personal trainer aren't doing much for him lol

His trainer says he works out with him during the season too. He took credit for developing his mid-range game last spring.

I definitely wish he had a better trainer too though. The team should supply him with a list of trainers in the off-season.

I'm not doubting That trainers can help but at some point its on the player putting it all together.
How many big men have trained with hakeem? Are they all dream shaking their way to stardom?

[Thaddy]

He probably wanted to work on his guard skills but team USA would have given him a defined forward or big man role.

Pascal would destroy these guys at 1 on 1, fatigue or not. That's the difference between Barnes right now and an All NBA caliber player.

Barnes doesn't have the handles and floor general skills to be a great NBA PG right now. We probably brought in Schroder to teach him this.

[Mikistan]

I'm honestly not concerned bout offseason workout videos. Year after year we'd get highlights of demar shooting 5 million 3s in the gym, or valanciunas dominating with Lithuania or bargs with Italy, etc etc only to come in the next season with no noticeable improvement to their game.

Well see how scottie performs in his new role once the season starts.

Yep. DeMar is known for his stagnation and lack of skill development. Same player in his 3rd, 5th and 9th seasons. Nothing changed at all.

Yup, a mentally soft loser who doesn't play defense.

[ConSarnit]

He probably wanted to work on his guard skills but team USA would have given him a defined forward or big man role.

Pascal would destroy these guys at 1 on 1, fatigue or not. That's the difference between Barnes right now and an All NBA caliber player.

Barnes doesn't have the handles and floor general skills to be a great NBA PG right now. We probably brought in Schroder to teach him this.

Dear god I hope not. No one has ever described Schroder as a "floor general"

[Thaddy]

He probably wanted to work on his guard skills but team USA would have given him a defined forward or big man role.

Pascal would destroy these guys at 1 on 1, fatigue or not. That's the difference between Barnes right now and an All NBA caliber player.

Barnes doesn't have the handles and floor general skills to be a great NBA PG right now. We probably brought in Schroder to teach him this.

Dear god I hope not. No one has ever described Schroder as a "floor general"

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31342453/dennis-schroder-shines-los-angeles-lakers-floor-general

[Johnny Bball]

Riiiight...Barnes succeeds and its going to be all Barnes, Barnes fails, blame his trainer and everyone else. It's already started.

Look...If Barnes doesn't get better its 100% on Scottie Barnes.

[Scase]

You guys fell for Los’ bait again

Is it bait, if he believes it?

[Scase]

He probably wanted to work on his guard skills but team USA would have given him a defined forward or big man role.

Pascal would destroy these guys at 1 on 1, fatigue or not. That's the difference between Barnes right now and an All NBA caliber player.

Barnes doesn't have the handles and floor general skills to be a great NBA PG right now. We probably brought in Schroder to teach him this.

Dear god I hope not. No one has ever described Schroder as a "floor general"

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31342453/dennis-schroder-shines-los-angeles-lakers-floor-general

They went 8-13 with him as a "floor general" in that stretch. He has never been a floor general, and a 21 game sample size, in an article, from a company that is regularly sucking from the Lakers teat, doesn't change that.

[Raps in 4]

Riiiight...Barnes succeeds and its going to be all Barnes, Barnes fails, blame his trainer and everyone else. It's already started.

Look...If Barnes doesn't get better its 100% on Scottie Barnes.

I mean, he chooses who he trains with, so it's obviously his fault regardless. Nobody is saying that Scottie not panning out won't be his fault. But he's far from "not panning out".

[DG88]

Riiiight...Barnes succeeds and its going to be all Barnes, Barnes fails, blame his trainer and everyone else. It's already started.

Look...If Barnes doesn't get better its 100% on Scottie Barnes.

I mean, he chooses who he trains with, so it's obviously his fault regardless. Nobody is saying that Scottie not panning out won't be his fault. But he's far from "not panning out".

Has anyone actually been in the gym with Scottie and his trainer and can say his trainer is bad? The only evidence we have is one second season and Doug Smith saying he didn't work hard enough. So unless you're in the gym and know his training plan and your an athletic trainer you can't say that with any objectivity.

[Raps in 4]

Riiiight...Barnes succeeds and its going to be all Barnes, Barnes fails, blame his trainer and everyone else. It's already started.

Look...If Barnes doesn't get better its 100% on Scottie Barnes.

I mean, he chooses who he trains with, so it's obviously his fault regardless. Nobody is saying that Scottie not panning out won't be his fault. But he's far from "not panning out".

Has anyone actually been in the gym with Scottie and his trainer and can say his trainer is bad? The only evidence we have is one second season and Doug Smith saying he didn't work hard enough. So unless you're in the gym and know his training plan and your an athletic trainer you can't say that with any objectivity.

It's based solely on the trainer not having any other NBA clients. He's been Scottie's trainer since he was a kid, so his services can't be very expensive. He might be a great trainer for all we know. But it's reasonable to assume that maybe a fresh perspective could also help him. It also might not though. Nobody is talking definitively here.

[Boogie!]

Riiiight...Barnes succeeds and its going to be all Barnes, Barnes fails, blame his trainer and everyone else. It's already started.

Look...If Barnes doesn't get better its 100% on Scottie Barnes.

I mean, he chooses who he trains with, so it's obviously his fault regardless. Nobody is saying that Scottie not panning out won't be his fault. But he's far from "not panning out".

Has anyone actually been in the gym with Scottie and his trainer and can say his trainer is bad? The only evidence we have is one second season and Doug Smith saying he didn't work hard enough. So unless you're in the gym and know his training plan and your an athletic trainer you can't say that with any objectivity.

I'm honestly not sure why a lot of people are so skeptical of Barnes. That one game early in the season where we decimated the Hawks while he started for an injured fvv, and he was raining treys, he looked like a legitimate superstar. If I recall he put up close to a triple double and he did it with ease.

I don't think people truly understand how good he is to be putting up the numbers he has been, all while being a 5th option scorer and having absolutely no reliable mid range jumpshot or 3 pointer. If this guy becomes even just a siakam level shooter, he's gonna be dominant.

[Cyrus]

He probably wanted to work on his guard skills but team USA would have given him a defined forward or big man role.

Pascal would destroy these guys at 1 on 1, fatigue or not. That's the difference between Barnes right now and an All NBA caliber player.

Barnes doesn't have the handles and floor general skills to be a great NBA PG right now. We probably brought in Schroder to teach him this.

Floor General Schroder, oh lord.... Barnes gonna be trouble if he's learning floor general stuff from Schroder. Freddy a way BETTER floor general, so hopefully he picked that up last year.

[Johnny Bball]

I mean, he chooses who he trains with, so it's obviously his fault regardless. Nobody is saying that Scottie not panning out won't be his fault. But he's far from "not panning out".

Has anyone actually been in the gym with Scottie and his trainer and can say his trainer is bad? The only evidence we have is one second season and Doug Smith saying he didn't work hard enough. So unless you're in the gym and know his training plan and your an athletic trainer you can't say that with any objectivity.

It's based solely on the trainer not having any other NBA clients. He's been Scottie's trainer since he was a kid, so his services can't be very expensive. He might be a great trainer for all we know. But it's reasonable to assume that maybe a fresh perspective could also help him. It also might not though. Nobody is talking definitively here.

People also just implied Rico Hines runs are useless, yet its to put into practice everything you learned in the beginning of summer against tough competition. It doesn't even start unitl August and doesn't go for months. It's not like anyone here has any expereince at all with it and forget Hines is a development coach, including with the Kings for 3 years, but it doesn't stop the baseless opinions. It's hardly useless. But it isn't the only work these players put in to improve in a summer either.

Jordan's trainer (and later Kobe's) had one client as well as far as I know. Tim Grover started almost out of nowhere with new ideas Jordan has never seen praticed. I have to presume he did alright. He's done really long interviews to talk about it all, and what that trainer does is very different than what most people think they do. I think there's more than one trainer invovled here.

[DG88]

I mean, he chooses who he trains with, so it's obviously his fault regardless. Nobody is saying that Scottie not panning out won't be his fault. But he's far from "not panning out".

Has anyone actually been in the gym with Scottie and his trainer and can say his trainer is bad? The only evidence we have is one second season and Doug Smith saying he didn't work hard enough. So unless you're in the gym and know his training plan and your an athletic trainer you can't say that with any objectivity.

It's based solely on the trainer not having any other NBA clients. He's been Scottie's trainer since he was a kid, so his services can't be very expensive. He might be a great trainer for all we know. But it's reasonable to assume that maybe a fresh perspective could also help him. It also might not though. Nobody is talking definitively here.

I did a quick search on Brian Macon and he's a part of HandleLife. The same coaching group that DeMar went to improve his handle and footwork to what it is today. He's also trained the Morris twins throughout their careers. Now most trainers rarely tell the public which NBA players they train. Even someone like David Thorpe does reveal who he's currently training until they're either retired.

[Los_29]

You guys fell for Los’ bait again

Is it bait, if he believes it?

Scottie had an incredible year last year. He could've had an even better year had it not been for the coach, his trainer and Fred. He's an elite playmaker on the same level as Jokic and Luka and he should also have a usage rate that is equivalent to Lebron and Giannis. Is this what you want to hear?

Scottie has a lot of flaws in his game. People have every right to discuss that.

[HiJiNX]

You guys fell for Los’ bait again

Is it bait, if he believes it?

Scottie had an incredible year last year. He could've had an even better year had it not been for the coach, his trainer and Fred. He's an elite playmaker on the same level as Jokic and Luka and he should also have a usage rate that is equivalent to Lebron and Giannis. Is this what you want to hear?

Scottie has a lot of flaws in his game. People have every right to discuss that.

Of course he has flaws lmao. He’s just completed his second year, he is as raw as advertised and is only 22 years old. It’s your refusal to see the skills he DOES possess and your refusal to see his potential that folks find flabbergasting. Of all the posters on this board you are the one who seems to be not just lukewarm on who he is now but who he can become. If all goes well he projects to be an incredible player. Of course, that’s not guaranteed and maybe he becomes a solid starter/role player, but to constantly downplay the possibility of that destiny is…I don’t even know what to call it bro. *shrug*

[Scase]

Is it bait, if he believes it?

Scottie had an incredible year last year. He could've had an even better year had it not been for the coach, his trainer and Fred. He's an elite playmaker on the same level as Jokic and Luka and he should also have a usage rate that is equivalent to Lebron and Giannis. Is this what you want to hear?

Scottie has a lot of flaws in his game. People have every right to discuss that.

Of course he has flaws lmao. He’s just completed his second year, he is as raw as advertised and is only 22 years old. It’s your refusal to see the skills he DOES possess and his potential that folks find flabbergasting. Of all the posters on this board you are the one who seems to be not just lukewarm on who he is now but who he can become.

Ding ding ding.

No one is out here claiming he's the next mega superstar, but to say he has zero elite skills is either blindness, wilful ignorance, or being contrarian. He has tons of flaws in his game like all 22 year olds, but god damn, he gets the Magic comparison not because he plays like Magic, but because he has vision and passing skill like him.

[tripa]

I mean, he is definitely an elite passer. Even while surrounded by terrible shooters last year we could see it. Los is just trolling to get replies.

[anotherhomer]

i guess everyone's just nervous....

Yes some fans are getting what they want, build around Scottie, give him a chance and run wiht it
but ppl are starting to notice, in the summer run, there's so many flaws lol

Is it bait, if he believes it?

Scottie had an incredible year last year. He could've had an even better year had it not been for the coach, his trainer and Fred. He's an elite playmaker on the same level as Jokic and Luka and he should also have a usage rate that is equivalent to Lebron and Giannis. Is this what you want to hear?

Scottie has a lot of flaws in his game. People have every right to discuss that.

Of course he has flaws lmao. He’s just completed his second year, he is as raw as advertised and is only 22 years old. It’s your refusal to see the skills he DOES possess and your refusal to see his potential that folks find flabbergasting. Of all the posters on this board you are the one who seems to be not just lukewarm on who he is now but who he can become. If all goes well he projects to be an incredible player. Of course, that’s not guaranteed and maybe he becomes a solid starter/role player, but to constantly downplay the possibility of that destiny is…I don’t even know what to call it bro. *shrug*