Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[OakleyDokely]

Lillard is amazing and more teams should get involved in acquiring him regardless of what he says. But so many teams are so risk-adverse and are more than happy being stuck in the middle instead.

Am I out of order suggesting that Dame is Fred 2.0?

He's another "bet on yourself guy" that doesn't care about anything outside of himself. If he cared about his teammates he'd mentor Scoot and work with him to try and do something.

@JRoy you're always welcome here and you haven't offended anyone. You're also not getting Scottie Barnes because Lillard isn't worth that my man.

I think its that he's 33 and doesn't want to spend the rest of his career on a rebuilding team.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

That's the thing, he's not expressing that he wants to be here...or anywhere other than Miami. That, and he's mostly used up as a player...and the remaining bill is huuuuge.

There just isn't a market for him...at the price Joe Cronin wants teams to pay. The risk/reward just isn't there.

[JRoy]

Lillard is amazing and more teams should get involved in acquiring him regardless of what he says. But so many teams are so risk-adverse and are more than happy being stuck in the middle instead.

Am I out of order suggesting that Dame is Fred 2.0?

He's another "bet on yourself guy" that doesn't care about anything outside of himself. If he cared about his teammates he'd mentor Scoot and work with him to try and do something.

@JRoy you're always welcome here and you haven't offended anyone. You're also not getting Scottie Barnes because Lillard isn't worth that my man.

Yes, you are out of order.

Lillard is a perennial all star, all nba, hall of Famer.

Fred is a solid starter and squeaked in the ASG. No comparison.

Not that I disagree. I think it would be a mistake for TOR to chase Lillard.

[Jadoogar]

Lillard is amazing and more teams should get involved in acquiring him regardless of what he says. But so many teams are so risk-adverse and are more than happy being stuck in the middle instead.

Am I out of order suggesting that Dame is Fred 2.0?

lol come on man.

[Elmago]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:

Toronto Raptors get: Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers get: O.G. Anunoby, Chris Boucher, Thad Young, Gradey Dick and two first-round picks

Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

[JRoy]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:

Toronto Raptors get: Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers get: O.G. Anunoby, Chris Boucher, Thad Young, Gradey Dick and two first-round picks

Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

No thanks from POR.

[Pointgod]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:

Toronto Raptors get: Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers get: O.G. Anunoby, Chris Boucher, Thad Young, Gradey Dick and two first-round picks

Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

I see this trade and I say yeah that’s pretty fair for Lillard but you gotta ask what the upside is for the Raptors. Are we a contender in the next two years while Lillard is at his peak? Nope. What’s the upside for the Raptors?

[JB7]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:

Toronto Raptors get: Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers get: O.G. Anunoby, Chris Boucher, Thad Young, Gradey Dick and two first-round picks

Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

I see this trade and I say yeah that’s pretty fair for Lillard but you gotta ask what the upside is for the Raptors. Are we a contender in the next two years while Lillard is at his peak? Nope. What’s the upside for the Raptors?

Exactly. When the team is trying to build around a 22yr old, it makes zero sense to trade players 19 and 26 that could be part of the core, for a 33yr old.

[HumbleRen]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:

Toronto Raptors get: Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers get: O.G. Anunoby, Chris Boucher, Thad Young, Gradey Dick and two first-round picks

Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

I see this trade and I say yeah that’s pretty fair for Lillard but you gotta ask what the upside is for the Raptors. Are we a contender in the next two years while Lillard is at his peak? Nope. What’s the upside for the Raptors?

What’s the alternative ? Remain mediocre and blindly try to make this Siakam/Scottie thing work ?

I rather do a rebuild personally but I’ll take this Dame trade over watching Siakam and Scottie post their man up from the 3 point line for the next several years any day of the week.

[mtcan]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:



Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

I see this trade and I say yeah that’s pretty fair for Lillard but you gotta ask what the upside is for the Raptors. Are we a contender in the next two years while Lillard is at his peak? Nope. What’s the upside for the Raptors?

Exactly. When the team is trying to build around a 22yr old, it makes zero sense to trade players 19 and 26 that could be part of the core, for a 33yr old.

The idea here is to do what the Suns have done...not look any further than the next 3 to 4 years and compete for now.

[Tor_Raps]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:



Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

I see this trade and I say yeah that’s pretty fair for Lillard but you gotta ask what the upside is for the Raptors. Are we a contender in the next two years while Lillard is at his peak? Nope. What’s the upside for the Raptors?

What’s the alternative ? Remain mediocre and blindly try to make this Siakam/Scottie thing work ?

I rather do a rebuild personally but I’ll take this Dame trade over watching Siakam and Scottie post their man up from the 3 point line for the next several years any day of the week.

Exactly my stance. A rebuild should have happened at the past trade deadline but since we are clearly trying to be competitive, might as well do that with a much better team.

Lillard/ Schroder
Trent/ McDaniels
Barnes/ Porter
Siakam/ Precious
Poeltl/ Koloko

The above team is a contender imo. Not favourites but a team that can win it all with the right bounces and/or other additions. Give me this scenario over whatever the hell is currently going on with the roster.

[JB7]

I see this trade and I say yeah that’s pretty fair for Lillard but you gotta ask what the upside is for the Raptors. Are we a contender in the next two years while Lillard is at his peak? Nope. What’s the upside for the Raptors?

Exactly. When the team is trying to build around a 22yr old, it makes zero sense to trade players 19 and 26 that could be part of the core, for a 33yr old.

The idea here is to do what the Suns have done...not look any further than the next 3 to 4 years and compete for now.

This is inherently the problem. No patience. The Suns had a core of Booker (26), Bridges (27) and Ayton (25), with Paul to help orchestrate the offence. They panic (with a new owner) and go all in with Durant (34), Beal (30), Booker and Ayton. Too much offensive overlap, and not enough complementary pieces. So if they don't win in the next two years, what happens next?

Same could be said of the Cavs, Hawks, TWolves, Clippers, and Nets.

They probably all would have been better off if they showed a bit of patience.

Only 1 team wins each year. Those teams all threw away half a decade or more of a competitiveness in the future, for the hope of being that team in the short term.

[Potential]

I'm starting to think that we have to trade for Lillard. Giannis wants to play for a team serious about winning a championship and will consider us a contender and put us on his list as teams he wants to go to.

[Fairview4Life]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:

Toronto Raptors get: Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers get: O.G. Anunoby, Chris Boucher, Thad Young, Gradey Dick and two first-round picks

Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

I see this trade and I say yeah that’s pretty fair for Lillard but you gotta ask what the upside is for the Raptors. Are we a contender in the next two years while Lillard is at his peak? Nope. What’s the upside for the Raptors?

I don't know how you can look at the roster with Lillard and just say nope, they aren't contenders. A 44 win team just won the east. There are no killers in our conference. That team can absolutely go to the finals.

[Tha Cynic]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:

Toronto Raptors get: Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers get: O.G. Anunoby, Chris Boucher, Thad Young, Gradey Dick and two first-round picks

Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

OG and Dick are the two best I suggested we offer in a deal too.

That's probably the best offer they're going to get.

[dTox]

Even JROY thinks it's a mistake for the Raptors to trade for Dame, a Portland fan.

[Ackshun]

That's the thing, he's not expressing that he wants to be here...or anywhere other than Miami. That, and he's mostly used up as a player...and the remaining bill is huuuuge.

There just isn't a market for him...at the price Joe Cronin wants teams to pay. The risk/reward just isn't there.

32/6/5.

Not sure what the advanced stats say but doubt he’s mostly used up.

Guys that shoot his percentage from 3, and have his court vision will find ways to contribute in their elder years

[Fairview4Life]

That's the thing, he's not expressing that he wants to be here...or anywhere other than Miami. That, and he's mostly used up as a player...and the remaining bill is huuuuge.

There just isn't a market for him...at the price Joe Cronin wants teams to pay. The risk/reward just isn't there.

32/6/5.

Not sure what the advanced stats say but doubt he’s mostly used up.

Guys that shoot his percentage from 3, and have his court vision will find ways to contribute in their elder years

His TS% was absurd last year. Probably the best year of his career.

[Tha Cynic]

Lillard is amazing and more teams should get involved in acquiring him regardless of what he says. But so many teams are so risk-adverse and are more than happy being stuck in the middle instead.

Lillard makes sense for a team who already has a legit superstar type player who is not also a combo guard. He's not a #1 player on a championship caliber team, but he can provide the scoring needed. For example, he would be perfect for a team like the 76ers or Pelicans since they're deep. Milwaukee also makes sense but they don't have the assets to acquire him.

I can't really see another team where he can help put them over the top. For teams like the Raptors and Bulls, he can help raise the ceiling, but ultimately too many other teams are better.

[Pointgod]

This is the trade ESPN proposed:



Bobby Marks ended up thinking neither side would be interested in this. Personally I feel like this is a good trade for the Raps, as I think Pascal would be down for an extension if this happened and you'd be able to get Dame without giving up Scottie. The bench would be a bit depleted, and you'd still have spacing issues with starting unit (assuming a Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl frontcourt).

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38378452/damian-lillard-trade-possibilities-miami-heat-philadelphia-76ers-toronto-raptors-new-orleans-pelicans

I see this trade and I say yeah that’s pretty fair for Lillard but you gotta ask what the upside is for the Raptors. Are we a contender in the next two years while Lillard is at his peak? Nope. What’s the upside for the Raptors?

I don't know how you can look at the roster with Lillard and just say nope, they aren't contenders. A 44 win team just won the east. There are no killers in our conference. That team can absolutely go to the finals.

That 44 win team was an outlier that had a player playing at a MVP level in the playoffs, got lucky with matchups and injuries, has one of the best coaches in the league and had all of their role players shooting at an insane clip heading into the finals.

Miami still had the core of their finals team from the bubble last year and a lot of things fell into place for that run. And I’m not confident that we could fill in the roster gaps and make the adjustments with a brand new head coach in the 2 year window that we’ll have for Lillard to perform at a high level.