2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

[BoyzNTheHood]

Sarr scares me a lot. If the shot doesn't come around, you're basically taking a switchable defender who can block some shots with a top pick. In a normal draft, he feels like a guy who should be taken in the late lottery. I'm not sure he's a better prospect than Lively II.

What if Sarr becomes Jonathan Isaac? Is he worth the #1 pick?

a 7"2 non injury prone isaac? lol yes

I’d say so too. Sarr should be #1 based on what he could be. If he’s not that could be a red flag.

[Psubs]

Speaking of 7'2, I'd still want someone that can guard Maluach an all the bigs coming up.

Holland / Topic / Reed / Castle / Cody Williams
Tristan DaSilva with the Pacers pick.
Maybe trade down for 2 2nd rounders? Ivisic, KJ Simpson, Mark Sears

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He's like a 7'2 Kelly Olynyk. Why would any team draft Edey before Ivisic? Ivisic does so much more and a lob threat. Damn, he caught a lob attempt and reverse laid it up in the air. He's probably the closest to Wemby outside of Chet with less guard skills. Oooooh, he's Euro Chet that's still more raw. That's why can get him just outside the lottery. I'd say he has more potential than Tyler Smith and Ware.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2024-02-24-16-kentucky.html

Oooooh, head to head vs Alabama with Grant Nelson and Jarin Stevenson!!!

Ivisic did well with 18 points in 20 mins with 4 blocks, 3-3FTs and 1 for 3 from deep.

[mtcan]

If you every prospect as being potentially injury ridden you can say that about Chet and Wemby.

There doesn't seem to be any concern regarding Alex Sarr with respect to injury.

Alex Sarr reminds me more of Evan Mobley than Dereck Lively in the way he moves. Lively's movements are a bit more mechanical.

In terms of movement, awareness and offensive potential...Sarr reminds me more of Mobley.

[Psubs]

If you every prospect as being potentially injury ridden you can say that about Chet and Wemby.

There doesn't seem to be any concern regarding Alex Sarr with respect to injury.

Alex Sarr reminds me more of Evan Mobley than Dereck Lively in the way he moves. Lively's movements are a bit more mechanical.

In terms of movement, awareness and offensive potential...Sarr reminds me more of Mobley.

That's a fair assessment. I'm just curious why mocks have him #1 over Risacher? Risacher has more potential to become Jayson Tatum 2.0 or Brandon Ingram or Kevin Durant with slightly worse shooting.

[ArthurVandelay]

If you every prospect as being potentially injury ridden you can say that about Chet and Wemby.

There doesn't seem to be any concern regarding Alex Sarr with respect to injury.

Alex Sarr reminds me more of Evan Mobley than Dereck Lively in the way he moves. Lively's movements are a bit more mechanical.

In terms of movement, awareness and offensive potential...Sarr reminds me more of Mobley.

That's a fair assessment. I'm just curious why mocks have him #1 over Risacher? Risacher has more potential to become Jayson Tatum 2.0 or Brandon Ingram or Kevin Durant with slightly worse shooting.

Risacher is not putting up numbers down the stretch in France.

Last year, Coulibaly continued to improve through the playoffs. That isn’t happening with Risacher. He seems limited to about 20mins per game and a spot up shooter role. His French team isn’t doing him any favours that is for sure.

Game logs found here:
https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/212368/zaccharie-risacher

[Psubs]

If you every prospect as being potentially injury ridden you can say that about Chet and Wemby.

There doesn't seem to be any concern regarding Alex Sarr with respect to injury.

Alex Sarr reminds me more of Evan Mobley than Dereck Lively in the way he moves. Lively's movements are a bit more mechanical.

In terms of movement, awareness and offensive potential...Sarr reminds me more of Mobley.

That's a fair assessment. I'm just curious why mocks have him #1 over Risacher? Risacher has more potential to become Jayson Tatum 2.0 or Brandon Ingram or Kevin Durant with slightly worse shooting.

Risacher is not putting up numbers down the stretch in France.

Last year, Coulibaly continued to improve through the playoffs. That isn’t happening with Risacher. He seems limited to about 20mins per game and a spot up shooter role. His French team isn’t doing him any favours that is for sure.

Game logs found here:
https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/212368/zaccharie-risacher

Kind of like Kentucky keeping Reed and Dillingham off the bench.

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Imagine Risacher, Ivisic and Tristan DaSilva?!?!?!

PG IQ - Barnes - JFL
SG Risacher/Dick
SF Barrett - Dick - Ochai
PF Barnes - DaSilva/Boucher
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Ivisic

[aminiaturebuddha]

60 losses with KO as your starting C with no depth/bench of projects and rookies wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Barnes.

Did Poeltl get waived? Are the Raps expected to just keep $40 million in cap space and not sign anyone? Why would you assume that KO will be the starting center, and that the team will have no depth?

In the most reasonable situation for next year where the team has Barnes, Quickley, RJ, Poeltl, Gradey, KO, Ochai, a couple of free agent signings, and draft picks - yes, losing 60 games would absolutely be a massive indictment on the ability to build anything successful around Scottie.

Poeltl could be traded. If they want to be bad next year, that is the way to do it. They are 2-22 without Poeltl including 2-9 with Barnes.

The cap space could be used to take undesirable contracts in exchange for picks and prospects.

So now that you know where Poeltl went, in this situation, losing 60 games wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Scottie, rather it would be the 4th out of 5th season with poor roster construction, except this time it would be intentional.

That definitely makes a bit of a difference. I didn't see those caveats on your post. Although I do think the Poeltl impact is being a bit overstated by those sample games during a season with a lot of roster turnover and other injuries. Unless Poeltl really does have that dramatic an impact on winning and is a 20 WAR player, or whatever that would work out to over a season, in which case no one should ever complain about the trade for him because no player in this draft is likely to approach that level of impact on winning.

Even without Poeltl, though, if a team with Scottie, Quickley, RJ, and Gradey only won 22 games, I would still consider that to be a disappointment. Scottie will be in his 4th year, and if his presence as a star player (with solid starters like Quickley and RJ beside him) doesn't drag a team to a minimum of 28-30 wins, then he really isn't the kind of star a team should be building around. Assuming reasonable health, of course.

[ill-Will03]

Did Poeltl get waived? Are the Raps expected to just keep $40 million in cap space and not sign anyone? Why would you assume that KO will be the starting center, and that the team will have no depth?

In the most reasonable situation for next year where the team has Barnes, Quickley, RJ, Poeltl, Gradey, KO, Ochai, a couple of free agent signings, and draft picks - yes, losing 60 games would absolutely be a massive indictment on the ability to build anything successful around Scottie.

Poeltl could be traded. If they want to be bad next year, that is the way to do it. They are 2-22 without Poeltl including 2-9 with Barnes.

The cap space could be used to take undesirable contracts in exchange for picks and prospects.

So now that you know where Poeltl went, in this situation, losing 60 games wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Scottie, rather it would be the 4th out of 5th season with poor roster construction, except this time it would be intentional.

That definitely makes a bit of a difference. I didn't see those caveats on your post. Although I do think the Poeltl impact is being a bit overstated by those sample games during a season with a lot of roster turnover and other injuries. Unless Poeltl really does have that dramatic an impact on winning and is a 20 WAR player, or whatever that would work out to over a season, in which case no one should ever complain about the trade for him because no player in this draft is likely to approach that level of impact on winning.

Even without Poeltl, though, if a team with Scottie, Quickley, RJ, and Gradey only won 22 games, I would still consider that to be a disappointment. Scottie will be in his 4th year, and if his presence as a star player (with solid starters like Quickley and RJ beside him) doesn't drag a team to a minimum of 28-30 wins, then he really isn't the kind of star a team should be building around. Assuming reasonable health, of course.

Yeah I agree, if we fail to win more games than this season next year, with Scottie, RJ, quick, and Gradey that would be a cause for concern even without Jak. I really don’t see that happening honestly. It’s hard to out tank some of these bottom tier teams, as we’re finding out right now lol

[Gavin_TDThree]

I've sold myself on Sarr. I can already picture him as a lob threat with Scottie running the fast break. If he can become a reliable shooter than I think he's the perfect compliment to Scottie

[mtcan]

Did Poeltl get waived? Are the Raps expected to just keep $40 million in cap space and not sign anyone? Why would you assume that KO will be the starting center, and that the team will have no depth?

In the most reasonable situation for next year where the team has Barnes, Quickley, RJ, Poeltl, Gradey, KO, Ochai, a couple of free agent signings, and draft picks - yes, losing 60 games would absolutely be a massive indictment on the ability to build anything successful around Scottie.

Poeltl could be traded. If they want to be bad next year, that is the way to do it. They are 2-22 without Poeltl including 2-9 with Barnes.

The cap space could be used to take undesirable contracts in exchange for picks and prospects.

So now that you know where Poeltl went, in this situation, losing 60 games wouldn’t be an indictment on the ability to build around Scottie, rather it would be the 4th out of 5th season with poor roster construction, except this time it would be intentional.

That definitely makes a bit of a difference. I didn't see those caveats on your post. Although I do think the Poeltl impact is being a bit overstated by those sample games during a season with a lot of roster turnover and other injuries. Unless Poeltl really does have that dramatic an impact on winning and is a 20 WAR player, or whatever that would work out to over a season, in which case no one should ever complain about the trade for him because no player in this draft is likely to approach that level of impact on winning.

Even without Poeltl, though, if a team with Scottie, Quickley, RJ, and Gradey only won 22 games, I would still consider that to be a disappointment. Scottie will be in his 4th year, and if his presence as a star player (with solid starters like Quickley and RJ beside him) doesn't drag a team to a minimum of 28-30 wins, then he really isn't the kind of star a team should be building around. Assuming reasonable health, of course.

I don't think you can draw any real conclusions based on this season.

There has been too much uncertainty surrounding the entire roster and that was an issue going back to last summer.

This summer and training camp is when you start to see what this team is.

Everything that happened since post-trade deadline...none of this matters. We have guys trying to adjust to new roles and a new system. We have Scottie and Jakob that got injured. We have Bruce Brown just half-assing it and I'm pretty sure he isn't around come training camp and I'm sure he knows that as well. We have Gradey and Ochai playing and learning. We had Jontay Porter literally betting on himself.

I'm going to judge this team at training camp and the start of next season rather than make sense of the mess that has been this season.

[OakleyDokely]

I've sold myself on Sarr. I can already picture him as a lob threat with Scottie running the fast break. If he can become a reliable shooter than I think he's the perfect compliment to Scottie

Could get a version of that with Missi with the IND pick and then we take a scorer with the top pick if we keep it.

[PhilBlackson]

If you every prospect as being potentially injury ridden you can say that about Chet and Wemby.

There doesn't seem to be any concern regarding Alex Sarr with respect to injury.

Alex Sarr reminds me more of Evan Mobley than Dereck Lively in the way he moves. Lively's movements are a bit more mechanical.

In terms of movement, awareness and offensive potential...Sarr reminds me more of Mobley.

That's a fair assessment. I'm just curious why mocks have him #1 over Risacher? Risacher has more potential to become Jayson Tatum 2.0 or Brandon Ingram or Kevin Durant with slightly worse shooting.

Personally I’d expect his ceiling to be closer to Keegan or MP Jr which would still obviously be a fantastic fit with Scottie long term. But I just temper that ceiling you have by quite a bit. I don’t think he has quite the size (in Tatum’s case) or lengrh (KD’s) with the dribble package of either of them to really reach that upper echelon of players in the league.

[links135]

I've sold myself on Sarr. I can already picture him as a lob threat with Scottie running the fast break. If he can become a reliable shooter than I think he's the perfect compliment to Scottie

It's just a matter of is he still available. Haven't kept up much with this years draft and it's hard to get a read where guys will actually go. 1 mock has a guy going 1st, another has him 7th.

[Landomar]

If you every prospect as being potentially injury ridden you can say that about Chet and Wemby.

There doesn't seem to be any concern regarding Alex Sarr with respect to injury.

Alex Sarr reminds me more of Evan Mobley than Dereck Lively in the way he moves. Lively's movements are a bit more mechanical.

In terms of movement, awareness and offensive potential...Sarr reminds me more of Mobley.

Sarr also reminds me of Evan Mobley, I think that is a very good comp for him. Mobley was much more advanced than Sarr going into the draft, but he was also a year older. I don't think Sarr is going to be very good as a 19 year rookie in the NBA, and is going to need to improve a lot to get to Mobley's level, but the potential is there. In general, I think that "poor man's Mobley" is a reasonable expectation for what he'll eventually be in the NBA.

[MainEvent]

I want to see how Ulrich Chomche looks at the nike hoop summit this month

[Thaddy]

If you every prospect as being potentially injury ridden you can say that about Chet and Wemby.

There doesn't seem to be any concern regarding Alex Sarr with respect to injury.

Alex Sarr reminds me more of Evan Mobley than Dereck Lively in the way he moves. Lively's movements are a bit more mechanical.

In terms of movement, awareness and offensive potential...Sarr reminds me more of Mobley.

Sarr also reminds me of Evan Mobley, I think that is a very good comp for him. Mobley was much more advanced than Sarr going into the draft, but he was also a year older. I don't think Sarr is going to be very good as a 19 year rookie in the NBA, and is going to need to improve a lot to get to Mobley's level, but the potential is there. In general, I think that "poor man's Mobley" is a reasonable expectation for what he'll eventually be in the NBA.

There's a video of Mobley doing a back flip at a beach at the same age. Sarr can't do that lol. There's a clear distinction between them fluidity and athletically. It's criminal to compare these two. Sarr is going to be the biggest no. 1 pick bust since Bargnani.

[nivisi9]

I want to see how Ulrich Chomche looks at the nike hoop summit this month

He looks scary interesting in that limited footage available (I know so do alot of guys)

but just the way he moves, power, explosiveness, huge, twitchy, seems to have natural defensive instincts, and also possibly some shooting ability...

Kinda has super raw Giannis vibes and it's not like he's a complete Bruno-esque mystery, many mocks had him mid 1st round throughout the year if he were to enter the draft...

I even read a couple articles about scouts being excited about him..

where does that come from? Did he initially make a big impression somewhere?

He kind of seems like one of those under the radar/diamond in the rough type finds, atleast potentially

[nivisi9]

If you every prospect as being potentially injury ridden you can say that about Chet and Wemby.

There doesn't seem to be any concern regarding Alex Sarr with respect to injury.

Alex Sarr reminds me more of Evan Mobley than Dereck Lively in the way he moves. Lively's movements are a bit more mechanical.

In terms of movement, awareness and offensive potential...Sarr reminds me more of Mobley.

Sarr also reminds me of Evan Mobley, I think that is a very good comp for him. Mobley was much more advanced than Sarr going into the draft, but he was also a year older. I don't think Sarr is going to be very good as a 19 year rookie in the NBA, and is going to need to improve a lot to get to Mobley's level, but the potential is there. In general, I think that "poor man's Mobley" is a reasonable expectation for what he'll eventually be in the NBA.

There's a video of Mobley doing a back flip at a beach at the same age. Sarr can't do that lol. There's a clear distinction between them fluidity and athletically. It's criminal to compare these two. Sarr is going to be the biggest no. 1 pick bust since Bargnani.

Yeah its really difficult for me to get on board honestly..

there's tools there but he doesn't seem to have enough feel or skill

I get scary bust vibes.

Why exactly did he go from being a mid lottery to 1# overall?

Is it just those elite tools at 7"1? He hasn't been THAT impressive this season

[MEDIC]

The latest ESPN mock has Raps taking Matas Buzelis at 6. I find him to be a pretty intriguing prospect. Especially because we lack quality langth the 4. If he turned into something special, Scottie could play the 3 to make room.for him in the SL.

Watching his ball handling, finishing moves & mid range shots, I could not help but picture Kelly Olenyk. Kelly Olenyk with speed and hops would be a very solid player.

[nivisi9]

I think the only way I'd love Sarr is if our own pick moves up in the lottery and then he falls abit to 5-8 overall..

then see if you can package IND pick + Poeltl for Memphis pick

come away with Risacher/Reed/Topic/Castle/C.Williams + Sarr