Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[WuTang_CMB]

Maybe houston isn’t a match for KD
phx may not want jalen green
And houston prob wont put FVV in a deal

If im phx im targeting toronto” - vecenie

https://youtu.be/rI1w6KKiJNE?si=1Q7vy8Ga1AjwV2qM

[Tor_Raps]

Maybe houston isn’t a match for KD
phx may not want jalen green
And houston prob wont put FVV in a deal

If im phx im targeting toronto” - vecenie

https://youtu.be/rI1w6KKiJNE?si=1Q7vy8Ga1AjwV2qM

We already need a Center to backup Poeltl so I'm not trading him if we can't get a good Center in his place. No need to waste getting Durant if we don't even have a complete team to contend with considering the short window we'll have afterwards.

[MiamiSPX]

I don’t buy the theory that Milwaukee wants Giannis to stay put. At the end of the day the NBA is a business. Even if Lillard was healthy they would have not gone to the conference finals in the East. Add in everyone is on the the decline of their career. Don’t see how waiting till 2026-2027 to compete when Dame is back makes any sense and they have no assets to improve. So it makes all the sense to cash in on Giannis and trade for some proven guys with potential and just draft some young guys and try to develop next season. That is their best play. They might be giving up a top pick, but could be back in the late lottery/ play-in team a year from now. Lillard almost gets traded for sure. They should also S and T Lopez to gain more assets.

Milwaukee absolutely wants him to stay. He is the most beloved athlete in that city's history, and extremely involved in the community (including 2 new initiatives just since the season ended). He means more to that franchise than anything Barnes, RJ and Dick can bring LOL. No team wants to trade a guy who has been in the top 4 for MVP votes for 7 consecutive years. You never win those trades. They'll trade him if he asks out, and it WILL be to a team on his desired list. But if he doesn't ask out, they will never trade him.

[MiamiSPX]

Poeltl in a trade with no center coming back isn't a hot look at all.

Could ask for Nick Richards back in that trade. We're also not giving up #9 so could draft a big (Malauch, Sorber, Queen).

We likely become a 2nd apron team or very close to one. And that's where it becomes dumb. If we can clear the 2nd apron comfortably and just be a tax team I'm probably okay with it, but would probably still lean no. I really like KD too, just don't see the fit. Not with the guys we have, and where he is in his career.

I don't see why the KD offer isn't just Ingram + young players, Ingram + Dick + Ja'Kobe + Castleton works. I don't know why we'd even want to keep Ingram if we're trading for KD, they are the same type of player, KD is just better.

I would go as far as saying Ingram is untouchable at the present moment. Masai would get eviscerated if he traded him after he directed his way to the Raps and actually wanted to re-sign. And I mean eviscerated by BI's agent, and fellow players. I know some will say who cares because Toronto is not a FA destination anyway, but there is just no way Masai trades him before he suits up for us.

[positivetension]

They went 7-1 in the regular season games. The only loss was against Boston and then they lost 4 more times to them in the playoffs.

I don't think 8 games are particularly telling of anything, let alone contention.

You made it sound like the sample size was two playoff series instead of the team being 14-5 with all 5 losses being against Boston. Boston was a bad matchup, if they made it past them, anything could have happened.

Also only playoff competitive teams were invited to the bubble. Toronto beat good teams to close out their season.

[TGM]

I don’t buy the theory that Milwaukee wants Giannis to stay put. At the end of the day the NBA is a business. Even if Lillard was healthy they would have not gone to the conference finals in the East. Add in everyone is on the the decline of their career. Don’t see how waiting till 2026-2027 to compete when Dame is back makes any sense and they have no assets to improve. So it makes all the sense to cash in on Giannis and trade for some proven guys with potential and just draft some young guys and try to develop next season. That is their best play. They might be giving up a top pick, but could be back in the late lottery/ play-in team a year from now. Lillard almost gets traded for sure. They should also S and T Lopez to gain more assets.

Milwaukee absolutely wants him to stay. He is the most beloved athlete in that city's history, and extremely involved in the community (including 2 new initiatives just since the season ended). He means more to that franchise than anything Barnes, RJ and Dick can bring LOL. No team wants to trade a guy who has been in the top 4 for MVP votes for 7 consecutive years. You never win those trades. They'll trade him if he asks out, and it WILL be to a team on his desired list. But if he doesn't ask out, they will never trade him.

What you are saying is all true if Dame was not out all of next season and if all their key players not on the wrong side of 30. I’m sure he is a big piece to the community. Just look back as a Raps fan. When we started not winning past the first/second rounds, everyone was saying blow up the team. Trade Pascal. The majority fan base in Toronto were criticising Masai for not trading Pascal while he had two years left on his contract and waited till the year he was expiring. Pascal was loved by the fan base and was happy to stay. I’m not saying Pascal is anywhere near the player Giannis is, but I would say Milwaukee’s team composition and age and with Dame out all of next season, Brook a FA and most of all they have no assets to improve. it’s a no brainer they move Giannis. You don’t keep a guy in a small market cause he has been loyal to the fan base. You are lucky to have him stay so long, but at some point you got to cash in on him and rebuild. It is a one way street for the Bucks unfortunately!

[MessiahUjiri]

Maybe houston isn’t a match for KD
phx may not want jalen green
And houston prob wont put FVV in a deal

If im phx im targeting toronto” - vecenie

https://youtu.be/rI1w6KKiJNE?si=1Q7vy8Ga1AjwV2qM

We already need a Center to backup Poeltl so I'm not trading him if we can't get a good Center in his place. No need to waste getting Durant if we don't even have a complete team to contend with considering the short window we'll have afterwards.

Nick Richards comes with Durant.



RJ + Poeltl + #9 + one more 1st



I think Durants market is not as good as it was anymore. The only team that would outbid us is Houston. Minnesota doesnr have the assets. And the above offer beats New York’s offer of KAT.

[TimeForChange]

still a waiting game until there's an update.

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[TimeForChange]

why is there 3 pages of raptors 2020 discussion in this thread?

some people/mods love taking over threads with their nonsense.

[tsherkin]

They went 7-1 in the regular season games. The only loss was against Boston and then they lost 4 more times to them in the playoffs.

I don't think 8 games are particularly telling of anything, let alone contention.

You made it sound like the sample size was two playoff series instead of the team being 14-5 with all 5 losses being against Boston. Boston was a bad matchup, if they made it past them, anything could have happened.

Also only playoff competitive teams were invited to the bubble. Toronto beat good teams to close out their season.

Yes, we were a good team, that isn't a debatable point. But actually winning the title that year, aka 'contention,' is what I was skeptical about.

[Tor_Raps]

why is there 3 pages of raptors 2020 discussion in this thread?

some people/mods love taking over threads with their nonsense.

I literally mentioned that the intangible benefits of Durant aren't anywhere important as his on court production and somehow these folks got all defensive about the 2020 team lol.

[ciueli]

Could ask for Nick Richards back in that trade. We're also not giving up #9 so could draft a big (Malauch, Sorber, Queen).

We likely become a 2nd apron team or very close to one. And that's where it becomes dumb. If we can clear the 2nd apron comfortably and just be a tax team I'm probably okay with it, but would probably still lean no. I really like KD too, just don't see the fit. Not with the guys we have, and where he is in his career.

I don't see why the KD offer isn't just Ingram + young players, Ingram + Dick + Ja'Kobe + Castleton works. I don't know why we'd even want to keep Ingram if we're trading for KD, they are the same type of player, KD is just better.

I would go as far as saying Ingram is untouchable at the present moment. Masai would get eviscerated if he traded him after he directed his way to the Raps and actually wanted to re-sign. And I mean eviscerated by BI's agent, and fellow players. I know some will say who cares because Toronto is not a FA destination anyway, but there is just no way Masai trades him before he suits up for us.

You know your franchise has gone wrong somewhere when a guy who played 18 games last season and hasn't been an All-Star in the past 5 years is seen as borderline untouchable.

And we should remember that Masai was the guy who told DeMar he wasn't going to be traded, then traded him like a week later. That was a player who was our franchise guy who took less than a max even though he was a 2x All-Star in his mid-20s, trading Ingram without having him play a single game wouldn't even be half as bad as that. Masai survived, I'd argue it didn't damage his reputation at all and the reason is that the NBA is a business and players know they can be traded at any time if the right deal comes along.

[WuTang_CMB]

I don’t buy the theory that Milwaukee wants Giannis to stay put. At the end of the day the NBA is a business. Even if Lillard was healthy they would have not gone to the conference finals in the East. Add in everyone is on the the decline of their career. Don’t see how waiting till 2026-2027 to compete when Dame is back makes any sense and they have no assets to improve. So it makes all the sense to cash in on Giannis and trade for some proven guys with potential and just draft some young guys and try to develop next season. That is their best play. They might be giving up a top pick, but could be back in the late lottery/ play-in team a year from now. Lillard almost gets traded for sure. They should also S and T Lopez to gain more assets.

Milwaukee absolutely wants him to stay. He is the most beloved athlete in that city's history, and extremely involved in the community (including 2 new initiatives just since the season ended). He means more to that franchise than anything Barnes, RJ and Dick can bring LOL. No team wants to trade a guy who has been in the top 4 for MVP votes for 7 consecutive years. You never win those trades. They'll trade him if he asks out, and it WILL be to a team on his desired list. But if he doesn't ask out, they will never trade him.

Yeah he's retiring there if they had the choice. Plus ownership wants to keep for value of team. No ownership group wants to lose a player like that. Heck, Ed rogers just paid $500M to Vladdy because the fans love him and not even for his production lol

[Los_29]

I don't think 8 games are particularly telling of anything, let alone contention.

You made it sound like the sample size was two playoff series instead of the team being 14-5 with all 5 losses being against Boston. Boston was a bad matchup, if they made it past them, anything could have happened.

Also only playoff competitive teams were invited to the bubble. Toronto beat good teams to close out their season.

Yes, we were a good team, that isn't a debatable point. But actually winning the title that year, aka 'contention,' is what I was skeptical about.

Miami would’ve been tough but I think we matched up better with them than with Boston. Then once you get to the finals anything can happen.

[WuTang_CMB]

Ishbia's pledge to be "extremely active in the [team's] decisions and management" going forward.

Like he wasn't already?

Ishbia, I'm told, is not scheduled to appear at the press conference, but his team will certainly remain in the spotlight given the tremendous leaguewide interest in Durant's future.

Also: Devin Booker becomes eligible for a two-year, $150 million contract extension on July 6 that the 28-year-old is widely expected to secure. Booker, remember, was brought into the coaching search in its final week or so for discussions with a few prime candidates … as The Stein Line first reported last Saturday.

Ishbia was already involved lol and gave up all that stuff for Durant , who's he fooling

I hope Masai can rip him off here cuz its a clown show over there

Booker as expected going to get re upped

[tsherkin]

You made it sound like the sample size was two playoff series instead of the team being 14-5 with all 5 losses being against Boston. Boston was a bad matchup, if they made it past them, anything could have happened.

Also only playoff competitive teams were invited to the bubble. Toronto beat good teams to close out their season.

Yes, we were a good team, that isn't a debatable point. But actually winning the title that year, aka 'contention,' is what I was skeptical about.

Miami would’ve been tough but I think we matched up better with them than with Boston. Then once you get to the finals anything can happen.

I think Butler would have carved us apart, I had no faith in our backcourt's ability to score effectively because it was so poor at the rim and so reliant upon bleh 3pt shooting, and I don't think we'd have been able to do much with Bam either.

And I don't think we had any real prayer against LA, to be honest.

[Johnny Bball]

why is there 3 pages of raptors 2020 discussion in this thread?

some people/mods love taking over threads with their nonsense.

I literally mentioned that the intangible benefits of Durant aren't anywhere important as his on court production and somehow these folks got all defensive about the 2020 team lol.

He didn't really mean people. He meant mods and is just a continuation of a slant and being a ____.

[Johnny Bball]

I'm gonna feel for RJ when he's traded. He seemed really happy to be home.

[tsherkin]

I'm gonna feel for RJ when he's traded. He seemed really happy to be home.

If it comes to us getting Giannis and fielding a team that's legit, we gotta do it, I think.

But I'd feel for RJ as well. I don't think Giannis is coming, and if that is the case, I hope we give RJ a chance to show us what he's got with the improved team.

[dTox]

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