2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9

TheRealDeal · Post #1721 » by **TheRealDeal** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:50 pm

Why does it feel like this draft is 8 deep? Seems like a consensus top 8 is forming from what I’m seeing. Any chance one of them falls to us?

Post #1722 » by **Double Helix** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:50 pm

The other reason I can see for why the Raptors will view CMB as one of their favorite 9 prospects is because of investments already made in Jakobe and Gradey as shooters. If you intend to bring those two into your rotation more as bench players you need a mobile active switch-y C who can rotate and offset for their defensive issues to make both more playable. CMB can also pass a bit. So you let him play his Julius Randle-ish herky jerky small ball big game down low and surround him with shooters he can kick out to and defensively benefit from more than Derik Queen can bring.

PushDaRock · Post #1723 » by **PushDaRock** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:51 pm

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WuTang_OG · Post #1724 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:52 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:Why does it feel like this draft is 8 deep? Seems like a consensus top 8 is forming from what I’m seeing. Any chance one of them falls to us?

KM will be there at 9

Post #1725 » by **Double Helix** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:52 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:Why does it feel like this draft is 8 deep? Seems like a consensus top 8 is forming from what I’m seeing. Any chance one of them falls to us?

Don’t believe that hype. It’s 8 deep only for people who are focused mostly on Offense and the Raptors don’t. If you factor in defence it’s a lot deeper than 8 and a guy like CMB climbs up.

WuTang_OG · Post #1726 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:57 pm

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Son Goku 25 · Post #1727 » by **Son Goku 25** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:57 pm

Double Helix wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:Why does it feel like this draft is 8 deep? Seems like a consensus top 8 is forming from what I’m seeing. Any chance one of them falls to us?

Don’t believe that hype. It’s 8 deep only for people who are focused mostly on Offense and the Raptors don’t. If you factor in defence it’s a lot deeper than 8 and a guy like CMB climbs up.

HO man the legend.

At these times we need your positivity.

grant101 · Post #1728 » by **grant101** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:57 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:Why does it feel like this draft is 8 deep? Seems like a consensus top 8 is forming from what I’m seeing. Any chance one of them falls to us?

My hope is someone buys into the Essengue or Demin hype. I don't mind Demin as a late lottery bet and wouldn't draft him in the top 13, but I can see teams talking themselves into him if he's knocking down shots during workouts.

CMB is another possibility to move into the top 8, but not sure if many GMs have the guts to pull the trigger (though you can easily make a case for him as a top 8 pick)

OakleyDokely · Post #1729 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:58 pm

The last 8 man deep draft (2016)

1. B Simmons
2. B Ingram
3. J Brown
4. D Bender
5. K Dunn
6. B Hield
7. J Murray
8. M Chriss

The Raptors ended up with Poeltl/Siakam/VV, their greatest draft haul.

Sabonis, D Murray, Zubac, Lavert also came from the draft, and the ROY of the year was Brogdan selected 36th.

Draft tiers are only a thing before a draft.

Tor_Raps · Post #1730 » by **Tor_Raps** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:59 pm

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Consequence wrote:Moving down for 13&22 feels a lot better than 15&24. Now 15&Cason Wallace I would be in to.

lmao wtf we aren't even getting Wallace for #9 straight up

Okc was starting the man during the NBA finals and we got guys here proposing this. Why cant people think of trade proposals from BOTH sides before communicating lol.

WuTang_OG · Post #1731 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:00 pm

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TheRealDeal · Post #1732 » by **TheRealDeal** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:03 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:Why does it feel like this draft is 8 deep? Seems like a consensus top 8 is forming from what I’m seeing. Any chance one of them falls to us?

KM will be there at 9

I mean all we need is for ONE guy to jump into the top 8 to make that happen. Hopefully there’s another Josh Giddey type of situation. If it goes chalk (which will most likely happen) I’ll be slightly disappointed, but I’m sure our FO will still find a gem

Post #1733 » by **Double Helix** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:04 pm

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MEDIC · Post #1734 » by **MEDIC** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:08 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The last 8 man deep draft (2016)

1. B Simmons
2. B Ingram
3. J Brown
4. D Bender
5. K Dunn
6. B Hield
7. J Murray
8. M Chriss

The Raptors ended up with Poeltl/Siakam/VV, their greatest draft haul.

Sabonis, D Murray, Zubac, Lavert also came from the draft, and the ROY of the year was Brogdan selected 36th.

Draft tiers are only a thing before a draft.

I this this draft will be very similar to that draft in terms of talent throughout.

Speaking of Simmons, I often wonder if Darko could turn him into something useful. If Darko can't build his confidence & find a useful role, nobody can.

causal_fan · Post #1735 » by **causal_fan** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:08 pm

I really like 'Noa Essenque but he's a project - If the Raptors trade down I'd won't mind taking Essenque.

grant101 · Post #1736 » by **grant101** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:09 pm

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Basketball_Jones · Post #1737 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:09 pm

One thing I like about CMB he has really good handles and can break his man off the bounce. Obviously if he ever gets a jump shot watch out. He’s certainly a guy that can lead the bench mob for a bit and hopefully one day he fits as a starter.

WuTang_OG · Post #1738 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:10 pm

grant101 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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By far the best draft guide from an aesthetics stand-point. It gets better every year. Disagree strongly with some of the rankings/comparisons though

there's no intel either just opinion
I dont agree with most of his picks

WuTang_OG · Post #1739 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:12 pm

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Murray-Boyles has no shortage of admirers, but going in the top 10 still seems like a stretch. The Detonator is one of the most, if not the most, cerebral and versatile defenders in the draft, and he also plays the right way, always playmaking or orchestrating with the goal of getting his team the right shot at the right time.

OakleyDokely · Post #1740 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:12 pm

MEDIC wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:The last 8 man deep draft (2016)

1. B Simmons
2. B Ingram
3. J Brown
4. D Bender
5. K Dunn
6. B Hield
7. J Murray
8. M Chriss

The Raptors ended up with Poeltl/Siakam/VV, their greatest draft haul.

Sabonis, D Murray, Zubac, Lavert also came from the draft, and the ROY of the year was Brogdan selected 36th.

Draft tiers are only a thing before a draft.

I this this draft will be very similar to that draft in terms of talent throughout.

yup, I'm not sold on a bunch of the guys who will be selected in the top 8, at least when it comes to their upside. I think the very best player from this draft (outside of maybe Flagg) could be drafted in the 10-20 range. In this range, you take take a lot more risk than teams higher up can/will.