2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[c3luong]

I’m not 100% sure because it’s the future but as of today, Mitchell’s defense has been the best of any rookie and translates to the NBA right away.


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Beginning to sound like a broken record here but - we don't give two **** about how good a player is today. In fact, arguably worse performance in the next year is GOOD for us (assuming that in the long run our guy is better).

you keep repeating yourself because you're not stating any facts. we all believe that Barnes can turn into the best defensive player or he may not. you can't factually tell me he will be.

I'm telling you that Mitchell right now is the best defensive player in this draft because he is - and most likely everyone will be agreement to that - and that it translates to the NBA. what if Barnes never develops into that defensive monster you predict him to be - thats a possibility. I'm not even comparing Mitchell to anyone, you did that. I was simply stating Mitchell's defense is amazing.

LOL ok. Let's see the facts that say that Davion is better than Barnes today on defense. I'm waiting.

[Lord_Zedd]

I read that the Kings want to make a big move.

Toronto trades: Dragic + Protected 1st
Toronto receives: Tristan Thompson + Davion Mitchell

Dallas trades: Porzingis
Dallas receives: Dragic + Bagley

Sacramento trades: Tristan Thompson + Bagley + Davion Mitchell
Sacramento receives: Porzingis + Protected 1st (Toronto)


Toronto improves it’s front court depth by adding Thompson, a veteran big on an expiring deal. Toronto also adds a young PG prospect in Mitchell, who is needed for salary to work, and in exchange they send a well protected 1st round pick

Dallas gets Dragic and Bagley, who if he still has potential it would be unlocked by Luka. Bagley is a RFA at the end of the season so the Mavs can take the year to evaluate if he has a role with the team moving forward.

Sacramento makes a big move by bringing in Porzingis. They add a dynamic player who is a clear upgrade over Bagley when heathy. His ability to stretch the floor will help their spacing a lot, something they would otherwise lack upfront. The Kings get a future 1st for Mitchell, who they really don’t need with having Fox and Haliburton.

Dallas much better off cutting us out of the deal and nabbing Mitchell themselves....... and sign Dragic next summer.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Beginning to sound like a broken record here but - we don't give two **** about how good a player is today. In fact, arguably worse performance in the next year is GOOD for us (assuming that in the long run our guy is better).

you keep repeating yourself because you're not stating any facts. we all believe that Barnes can turn into the best defensive player or he may not. you can't factually tell me he will be.

I'm telling you that Mitchell right now is the best defensive player in this draft because he is - and most likely everyone will be agreement to that - and that it translates to the NBA. what if Barnes never develops into that defensive monster you predict him to be - thats a possibility. I'm not even comparing Mitchell to anyone, you did that. I was simply stating Mitchell's defense is amazing.

LOL ok. Let's see the facts that say that Davion is better than Barnes today on defense. I'm waiting.

common knowledge would be considered as fact. Mitchell's defense from college on Cade, Suggs, and on Bouknight is just part of his resume. as of today, ya I would consider him to the best defensive player in his rookie class. he was considered the nation's best perimeter defender in college according to many scouts/reports.

The Hinesville, Ga., native was announced as NABC Defensive Player of the Year at 10 a.m. CT Friday, and one hour later he was revealed as Naismith Men's Defensive Player of the Year. Combined with the Lefty Driesell Award he picked up on Thursday, Mitchell swept all three National Defensive Player of the Year Awards.

thats just a few months ago.

you can watch Barnes defense from last game and you can watch Mitchell's defense in his last game as well as proof. there is no proof to say that Barnes is the better defender, yet.

[Clutch0z24]

Somehow package Siakam/Boucher For BolBol/Porter Jr and find a deal for FVV (Cause obviously we would be in full rebuild mode...

A lineup of

Flynn
OG
Porter Jr
Barnes
Bol Bol
6th Man GTJr

That would be so fun and have so much Potential

Porter Jr a potential 3 Level Scorer for us (Which we lack) BolBol/Barnes/OG nightmares and Flynn Being a Floor General ...

I think this would be the best way to use Siakam as a trade package for us to get the best results possible i wouldn't even care about draft picks in return

[c3luong]

common knowledge would be considered as fact.

If you believe this there's really just a fundamental difference between how we see the world. Have a good day though.

[provecy15]

This deal will not happen, but Toronto could get more of out of Porzingis than Dallas can. In terms of what we have now and the need for potentially more size and shooting, I think the fit of Porzingis would be a good one (and upside). We'd have to trade Siakam for him, but I'd want Porzingis, Josh Green and a 2022 FRP (top 15 protected from Dallas).

Birch/Achiewa
Porzingis/Boucher
OG/Barnes/Yuta
Trent/Dragic/Green
Fred/Flynn

[Tor_Raps]

This deal will not happen, but Toronto could get more of out of Porzingis than Dallas can. In terms of what we have now and the need for potentially more size and shooting, I think the fit of Porzingis would be a good one (and upside). We'd have to trade Siakam for him, but I'd want Porzingis, Josh Green and a 2022 FRP (top 15 protected from Dallas).

Birch/Achiewa
Porzingis/Boucher
OG/Barnes/Yuta
Trent/Dragic/Green
Fred/Flynn

It seems like people are just trading Siakam for the sake of it at this stage. Like what upside is there with this move?

We won a championship with Siakam as the 2nd option while Porzingis craps the bed in that position with Luka. Enough with the underrating of Siakam.

[c3luong]

This is less underrating Siakam and more about not realizing that Porzingis is hot garbage.

[provecy15]

This deal will not happen, but Toronto could get more of out of Porzingis than Dallas can. In terms of what we have now and the need for potentially more size and shooting, I think the fit of Porzingis would be a good one (and upside). We'd have to trade Siakam for him, but I'd want Porzingis, Josh Green and a 2022 FRP (top 15 protected from Dallas).

Birch/Achiewa
Porzingis/Boucher
OG/Barnes/Yuta
Trent/Dragic/Green
Fred/Flynn

It seems like people are just trading Siakam for the sake of it at this stage. Like what upside is there with this move?

We won a championship with Siakam as the 2nd option while Porzingis craps the bed in that position with Luka. Enough with the underrating of Siakam.

This is not a dump on Siakam post. You have to give up something to get something in return. If Porzingis is healthy, it is much easier for him to average 25-30ppg based on his offensive skillset. We have a lot of guys 6'8, 6'9 on the team, but no 7 footers who can protect the rim and score potentially 25+. Siakam has to work very hard to score 20 because of his inability to shoot the 3. I'am saying from a fit perspective, Porzingis with this group would be a good fit.

Relax. It won;t happened, but don;t be surprised if he has a better year with Kidd at the helm.

[Tor_Raps]

This deal will not happen, but Toronto could get more of out of Porzingis than Dallas can. In terms of what we have now and the need for potentially more size and shooting, I think the fit of Porzingis would be a good one (and upside). We'd have to trade Siakam for him, but I'd want Porzingis, Josh Green and a 2022 FRP (top 15 protected from Dallas).

Birch/Achiewa
Porzingis/Boucher
OG/Barnes/Yuta
Trent/Dragic/Green
Fred/Flynn

It seems like people are just trading Siakam for the sake of it at this stage. Like what upside is there with this move?

We won a championship with Siakam as the 2nd option while Porzingis craps the bed in that position with Luka. Enough with the underrating of Siakam.

This is not a dump on Siakam post. You have to give up something to get something in return. If Porzingis is healthy, it is much easier for him to average 25-30ppg based on his offensive skillset. We have a lot of guys 6'8, 6'9 on the team, but no 7 footers who can protect the rim and score potentially 25+. Siakam has to work very hard to score 20 because of his inability to shoot the 3. I'am saying from a fit perspective, Porzingis with this group would be a good fit.

Relax. It won;t happened, but don;t be surprised if he has a better year with Kidd at the helm.

I shouldn't have quoted you and said all that. It's just a common theme I see amongst Raptor fans who are giving up on the guy for players who have been worse than him.

Porzingis has now had 2 years with Dallas and has been underwhelming. Some of that is injury related and some of that could be how Carlise used him. He will have no excuses this year. I'm still a fan of his but only in a buy low situation. Giving up Siakam is not that type of situation.

[bballsparkin]

"IF Porzingis is healthy", that's a big if. And even if he is I'm still not interested. I'd rather roll with Pascal.

[c3luong]

Although Porzingis does get you cap space a year earlier if he opts out, so maybe it isn't crazy...? Of course, still a huge risk that this last year wasn't an outlier and that he never returns to form.

[Sal 21]

I read that the Kings want to make a big move.

Toronto trades: Dragic + Protected 1st
Toronto receives: Tristan Thompson + Davion Mitchell

Dallas trades: Porzingis
Dallas receives: Dragic + Bagley

Sacramento trades: Tristan Thompson + Bagley + Davion Mitchell
Sacramento receives: Porzingis + Protected 1st (Toronto)


Toronto improves it’s front court depth by adding Thompson, a veteran big on an expiring deal. Toronto also adds a young PG prospect in Mitchell, who is needed for salary to work, and in exchange they send a well protected 1st round pick

Dallas gets Dragic and Bagley, who if he still has potential it would be unlocked by Luka. Bagley is a RFA at the end of the season so the Mavs can take the year to evaluate if he has a role with the team moving forward.

Sacramento makes a big move by bringing in Porzingis. They add a dynamic player who is a clear upgrade over Bagley when heathy. His ability to stretch the floor will help their spacing a lot, something they would otherwise lack upfront. The Kings get a future 1st for Mitchell, who they really don’t need with having Fox and Haliburton.

I'd rather take a shot at Porzingis. High risk/reward move. Instead of Dragic + Bagley for Porzingis, we give them Dragic + Boucher. Both expiring. Dragic wouldn't be back anyway. Boucher will be due a big raise.

Our frontcourt depth is through the roof with Siakam, Porzingis, Birch, Barnes and Achiuwa.

We'd need another guard, of course. Maybe Josh Hart in free agency?

[StopitLeo]

Dallas much better off cutting us out of the deal and nabbing Mitchell themselves....... and sign Dragic next summer.

My assumptions are that Dallas wants to move on from Porzingis but they would not be willing to give up a 1st round pick to make it happen; they also want Dragic sooner rather than later. At the same time, as the Kings I would be a bit anxious taking on an extra $30M for a guy who has been hurt the last 4 years and giving up a guy just drafted in the lottery without a future pick coming back. Anyway, it’s not just player value being considered but team motivation for making the moves. Still, it could be garbage.

[Morris_Shatford]

I rather find a way to get Josh Hart. He would probably come cheaper too, but will need to deal with NOP since he is an RFA (who apparently does not want to go back to NOP).

Count me aboard the Josh Hart train.

I'm down, but how?

We don't have any space and not much left of the MLE

It all depends on what he commands a season, if its too low the Pelis may as well match as he is an RFA.
The Peli's look like they may need a back up 4/5 maybe a Boucher for a Hart S&T?

If Boucher is making 7m I believe we can take back as much as 10.5m?

[Raptorfan2012]

Count me aboard the Josh Hart train.

I'm down, but how?

We don't have any space and not much left of the MLE

It all depends on what he commands a season, if its too low the Pelis may as well match as he is an RFA.
The Peli's look like they may need a back up 4/5 maybe a Boucher for a Hart S&T?

If Boucher is making 7m I believe we can take back as much as 10.5m?

I was thinking about trading Boucher in a S&T for Josh Hart. Then we sign Isiah Hertenstein for either the remaining MLE or the bi-annual. Hart can play the role that TD played (backup guard/sf). He is also a good insurance in case Dragic decides to sit out for a buy out.

We roll with:

FVV/Flynn
Trent JR/Hart/Dragic
OG/Barnes
Siakam/Precious/Yuta
Birch/Hertenstein/Freddie G.

[Rapsfan07]

Count me aboard the Josh Hart train.

I'm down, but how?

We don't have any space and not much left of the MLE

It all depends on what he commands a season, if its too low the Pelis may as well match as he is an RFA.
The Peli's look like they may need a back up 4/5 maybe a Boucher for a Hart S&T?

If Boucher is making 7m I believe we can take back as much as 10.5m?

Yeah that math is right.

As you said though, Pels still retain his rights and there's no reason for them to let him go if he gets an at or below market level offer unless we're offering something worth their while to S&T him.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Why not ship Dragic to Indiana for Turner. A trade like
Dragic + Boucher + protected FRP
for
Turner + Holiday

LINEUP:
FVV/Flynn
Trent/Holiday
OG/Yuta
Siakam/Barnes
Turner/Birch

Pacers fans would laugh at you. Turner has way more value than that

Does he though? A lot of rumours around him and he’s tough to value to be honest. Not a huge need for a C that makes 19 million.

I like this trade, would also do Lamb instead if they liked holiday. Would need to operate as 2 separate trades (Dragic for Turner, Boucher for Lamb/Holiday) I think due to dragic not being able to be combined with others.

Alternatively, what about…

To TOR: Turner
To IND: Dragic

To TOR: Lamb
To CHI: Boucher
To IND: Markannen S&T

As the framework. Stuff like a pick can be added to even out the value.

Fred / Flynn
Trent Jr / Lamb
OG / Barnes
Siakam / Precious
Turner / Birch

Pretty solid group.

[HomoSapien]

Sorry if this has been suggested, but what are your thoughts on either of these two trades:

Trade 1: Coby White for Chris Boucher

Trade 2: Coby White & Lauri Markannen (sign & trade) for Boucher and Dragic

[SunBoy]

It is a little confusing as to why management went the "younger" / rebuild route with Barnes and decided not to sell Siakam for the reported Warriors package. They could've scooped up some talent and possibly been in contention sooner than if they had this current core.