2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Ell Curry]

Finney-Smith I could see being a guy we like, but he's a UFA who has made 11M in his career, so I think he's signing a 4 year extension (54M) with Dallas or going to whoever offers him the full MLE. Also presumably the Dragic deal would have been done already if we like him and they were offering him.

[Tripod]

If Serge is bought out, would we try and bring him back dirt cheap?

[bluerap23]

The just for fun all-in move.


Fred
GTJ
OG
Pascal
Sabonis
Scottie
Levert

NN can go with a legit 7 man rotation at 34 mpg each.

[alevirfe]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

[execoftheyear]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

see this is where it gets tricky. Are their values at all time highs or can they still continue to get better? I think they still have room to grow if we start winning more games. If Masai manages to get some quality bench players at the deadline while keeping the core intact and we start winning more games, best believe their values will increase even more. They'll increase even more if they can keep this up during the playoffs.

[RonaldArtest]

Ingles + Clarkson + Azubuike
for
Dragic + Boucher + Flynn

Utah sheds salary, get back two useful players who are expiring, and the cheap contract of Malachi. Raps get a bench flamethrower and a big who fits the core age group.

Who says no?

[alevirfe]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

see this is where it gets tricky. Are their values at all time highs or can they still continue to get better? I think they still have room to grow if we start winning more games. If Masai manages to get some quality bench players at the deadline while keeping the core intact and we start winning more games, best believe their values will increase even more. They'll increase even more if they can keep this up during the playoffs.

hey you're absolutely right and it's a great point. I meant highest all time value to date but there's absolutely room for improvement (though I would argue Fred is pretty close to reaching his max potential)

[Consequence]

Ingles + Clarkson + Azubuike
for
Dragic + Boucher + Flynn

Utah sheds salary, get back two useful players who are expiring, and the cheap contract of Malachi. Raps get a bench flamethrower and a big who fits the core age group.

Who says no?

I think the value is fine generally but since Ingles is out we are really trading one playable bench guy for one at a different position. I'd hope that we could use these same assets and have more playable bench pieces than before.

[execoftheyear]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

see this is where it gets tricky. Are their values at all time highs or can they still continue to get better? I think they still have room to grow if we start winning more games. If Masai manages to get some quality bench players at the deadline while keeping the core intact and we start winning more games, best believe their values will increase even more. They'll increase even more if they can keep this up during the playoffs.

hey you're absolutely right and it's a great point. I meant highest all time value to date but there's absolutely room for improvement (though I would argue Fred is pretty close to reaching his max potential)

I don't know, FVV still has a long way to go as a floor general. You have to remember that this is basically his first season leading the team full time as a PG. He was carrying our team's offense with his scoring earlier in the season but with Siakam back and healthy and guys like Trent Jr, OG and Barnes playing as well as they have been, he kind of has to adjust and figure out how to be effective without the ball in his hands and getting these guys in positions to score. He still gets trigger happy at times and needs to learn when to be aggressive and when to get others involved.

As a scorer, yea, I don't think he's going to improve drastically in that department but as an actual PG that can facilitate and run an offense efficiently, he has a lot of room to improve.

[Rapsfan07]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

see this is where it gets tricky. Are their values at all time highs or can they still continue to get better? I think they still have room to grow if we start winning more games. If Masai manages to get some quality bench players at the deadline while keeping the core intact and we start winning more games, best believe their values will increase even more. They'll increase even more if they can keep this up during the playoffs.

True but I want a championship and I don't see a cornerstone of a contender on this roster.

I think Siakam and FVV are about as good as they'll ever get. OG and Trent are growing and still have another level to get to. Barnes still has quite a ways to go.

Oh and we really only about a year and a half to sort it. So I'd really rather prevent our guys from getting exposed and make a move to go all in or commit to a full scale rebuild. I see little point in straddling the fence.

[DreamTeam09]

Ingles + Clarkson + Azubuike
for
Dragic + Boucher + Flynn

Utah sheds salary, get back two useful players who are expiring, and the cheap contract of Malachi. Raps get a bench flamethrower and a big who fits the core age group.

Who says no?

Utah needs Clarkson, he's their microwave scorer on a team that doesn't get a lot of offense from their max players. He's valued higher than Dragic + Boucher

[execoftheyear]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

see this is where it gets tricky. Are their values at all time highs or can they still continue to get better? I think they still have room to grow if we start winning more games. If Masai manages to get some quality bench players at the deadline while keeping the core intact and we start winning more games, best believe their values will increase even more. They'll increase even more if they can keep this up during the playoffs.

True but I want a championship and I don't see a cornerstone of a contender on this roster.

I think Siakam and FVV are about as good as they'll ever get. OG and Trent are growing and still have another level to get to. Barnes still has quite a ways to go.

Oh and we really only about a year and a half to sort it. So I'd really rather prevent our guys from getting exposed and make a move to go all in or commit to a full scale rebuild. I see little point in straddling the fence.

exposed? How so? It's not like FVV, OG or Siakam have never played at this level in the past. They're proven commodities. Teams aren't going to all of sudden forget that these were integral pieces to a championship team. Raptors fans need to let those insecurities go, teams want our players.

[Scottie4Bro]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

I still massively prefer a true, patient and smart rebuild over whatever we are doing now, but I know there's no way Masai is doing it or MLSE + the fans swallowing it. It's just a shame that our mentality is that when our players have the highest value, pretty much no one wants them traded. If they return to playing bad and their value is at rock bottom, then everyone wants them traded. It's a pretty **** up mentality. I think the championship was a great thing for the franchise but it seems to have instilled a level of terror within the fanbase for losing, even if it's tactical.

Siakam, FVV, OG, Boucher, and Dragic could all net us some incredible value over the long-term that we could also still flip in the future for a true 1st option if we ever needed to make the move. Like you said, there is no chance in hell that a team led by FVV and Siakam ever contends, they are 2 Robins without their Batmans, and if there's one thing we've learned in this league is that you need at least 1 Batman, preferably. Barnes is awesome and ahead of where we thought he'd be, but realistically he's still a lightyear away from being that guy.

I would personally love to see a team built around Barnes & GTJ and really develop them fully and then organically add in new talent over the next 2-3 years, but it's not going to happen. Maybe Masai's plan is just to hit that 45-50 win mark and then wait for that opening of a disgruntled star who you then trade to rent out for another shot at a championship. It's not a bad strategy at all obviously, but it makes for very lukewarm basketball. Will our new identity be the Mercenaries? Dunno.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I still like Dragic and Boucher to Washington for Gafford and Dinwiddie. They are getting/got Bryant back, we can give them 2 expirings and maybe 2 seconds. Not trading a first here looking at how bad the Spencer experiment has gone there

[LarSiN]

I still like Dragic and Boucher to Washington for Gafford and Dinwiddie. They are getting/got Bryant back, we can give them 2 expirings and maybe 2 seconds. Not trading a first here looking at how bad the Spencer experiment has gone there

Gafford can't be traded this year

[StopitLeo]

Toronto trades Dragic + Flynn + 1st + filler
Orlando trades Bamba + Harris

Orlando is in rebuild mode. They signed Wendell Carter Jr. to an big contract and presumably will pair him with Isaac who is already on a long term deal. Bamba is approaching RFA status with an ~$10M qualifying offer this summer. It doesn’t make sense for the Magic to try and retain Bamba after the Carter signing. Turning Bamba into a late 1st round pick is a solid return.

Toronto hopes to solve its big problem moving forward as well as bench scoring issues this year. Bamba obviously provides size and rim protection but he has also developed the ability to make 3s this year. Harris is a good defender and can provide scoring off the bench and is a good 3pt shooter. He started slow this year but has seemed to find his form.

I can see the Raptors making the QO to Bamba to see if he can be a long term piece. He is a better option than anyone you’d draft with a late 1st in terms of being able to contribute during the current core’s timeline.

[agkagk]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

I still massively prefer a true, patient and smart rebuild over whatever we are doing now, but I know there's no way Masai is doing it or MLSE + the fans swallowing it. It's just a shame that our mentality is that when our players have the highest value, pretty much no one wants them traded. If they return to playing bad and their value is at rock bottom, then everyone wants them traded. It's a pretty **** up mentality. I think the championship was a great thing for the franchise but it seems to have instilled a level of terror within the fanbase for losing, even if it's tactical.

Siakam, FVV, OG, Boucher, and Dragic could all net us some incredible value over the long-term that we could also still flip in the future for a true 1st option if we ever needed to make the move. Like you said, there is no chance in hell that a team led by FVV and Siakam ever contends, they are 2 Robins without their Batmans, and if there's one thing we've learned in this league is that you need at least 1 Batman, preferably. Barnes is awesome and ahead of where we thought he'd be, but realistically he's still a lightyear away from being that guy.

I would personally love to see a team built around Barnes & GTJ and really develop them fully and then organically add in new talent over the next 2-3 years, but it's not going to happen. Maybe Masai's plan is just to hit that 45-50 win mark and then wait for that opening of a disgruntled star who you then trade to rent out for another shot at a championship. It's not a bad strategy at all obviously, but it makes for very lukewarm basketball. Will our new identity be the Mercenaries? Dunno.

Always being a winner is the smartest way to rebuild.

[douggood]

wow I have to say, if we were ever thinking about moving one of our core pieces this is their all time high value:

- Siakam is back in all-NBA form and his max contract is palatable with only 3 years left
- Vanvleet is playing his best ball and could be a first time all-star on a team friendly contract
- OG took a step forward with his offense and is on a bargain contract
- Gary Trent is in the middle of a hot streak while playing the best defense of his career

great to be in a position of leverage. plus we have Dragic's contract to make almost any deal work

I still massively prefer a true, patient and smart rebuild over whatever we are doing now, but I know there's no way Masai is doing it or MLSE + the fans swallowing it. It's just a shame that our mentality is that when our players have the highest value, pretty much no one wants them traded. If they return to playing bad and their value is at rock bottom, then everyone wants them traded. It's a pretty **** up mentality. I think the championship was a great thing for the franchise but it seems to have instilled a level of terror within the fanbase for losing, even if it's tactical.

Siakam, FVV, OG, Boucher, and Dragic could all net us some incredible value over the long-term that we could also still flip in the future for a true 1st option if we ever needed to make the move. Like you said, there is no chance in hell that a team led by FVV and Siakam ever contends, they are 2 Robins without their Batmans, and if there's one thing we've learned in this league is that you need at least 1 Batman, preferably. Barnes is awesome and ahead of where we thought he'd be, but realistically he's still a lightyear away from being that guy.

I would personally love to see a team built around Barnes & GTJ and really develop them fully and then organically add in new talent over the next 2-3 years, but it's not going to happen. Maybe Masai's plan is just to hit that 45-50 win mark and then wait for that opening of a disgruntled star who you then trade to rent out for another shot at a championship. It's not a bad strategy at all obviously, but it makes for very lukewarm basketball. Will our new identity be the Mercenaries? Dunno.

everything you complained about was said ad nauseum on this board 5-6 years ago, same talk about only having robins, tear it down, why are raptors content to be good etc etc

yes it more than likely we wont repeat the blueprint from then, but tanking/picks are not guaranteed to make you any better than you are now and will only waste 2-3 years. and even if you hit on picks there is financial problems, see hawks.

the leap from bad to good is hard, the leap from good to contender level is a smaller leap. one trade, one draft pick that is amazing( and that pick doesn't necessarily need to be top of the lotto)

[Scottie4Bro]

everything you complained about was said ad nauseum on this board 5-6 years ago, same talk about only having robins, tear it down, why are raptors content to be good etc etc

yes it more than likely we wont repeat the blueprint from then, but tanking/picks are not guaranteed to make you any better than you are now and will only waste 2-3 years. and even if you hit on picks there is financial problems, see hawks.

the leap from bad to good is hard, the leap from good to contender level is a smaller leap. one trade, one draft pick that is amazing( and that pick doesn't necessarily need to be top of the lotto)

"why are raptors content to be good"

But that's the thing, we are not a good team. We are just okay. A lot of our wins have been against teams missing their best players, and some people are amazingly refusing to acknowledge that as a real factor.

The 60-win teams of prime Lowry and Derozan days would mop the floor with our current team, and they still weren't even close to being real contenders. We can get a bit of a boost this deadline when we deal Dragic and Boucher to shore up our bench and the C spot, but we are almost certainly folding in the 1st round when teams actually gameplan against us.

This team is far away from being a real contender and the only piece we have that will show star-level improvement might be Barnes. I'm just not a fan of the current team, call me a hater w/e. You have to seriously believe that FVV, Siakam, and OG still have serious room left to improve to really elevate this team. I don't see it. They are all peaking.

[Morris_Shatford]

If Serge is bought out, would we try and bring him back dirt cheap?

If he was open to return I would be in favour.
He isn't anywhere near the same guy he was when he was here last, but there is value in guys like Barnes, OG, and Precious having to bang against him in practice every day.