Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[C_Money]

Where is Gary even rumoured to go? We’ve heard about the teams interested in Fred and OG but nothing about GTJ.

[Boogie!]

Where is Gary even rumoured to go? We’ve heard about the teams interested in Fred and OG but nothing about GTJ.

A little side note but I don't think he should go anywhere. To me gsrys flaws are a direct result of nick nurses coaching philosophy. He lets guys get away witj anything offensively as long as they play defense the way he wants. He's never held gary accountable for taking bad shots or not passing the ball, but he has benched him for his supposed lack of defensive effort.

Gary needs to be told to pass the ball more, and be coached to be less selfish offensively. Even if he makes the right read 50% of the time, and makes more of a conscious effort go pass on the pick and roll for example, he's a good player to keep around.

[ChillPill]

There are about a thousand ways management could go. That's the way they have managed things, so I hope they have a good plan. But ultimately I trust Masai.

Mostly I think they have a vision, the 6'9 vision let's say. And that they will find ways to further that and hopefully improve it, no matter who comes and goes. I can't see them trading for an Ayton, a maximum-salaried center, when it's clear they don't want to invest much in the centers position.

Honestly, less moves rather than more makes more sense to me. A classic Masai move of 1 asset for a whole bunch. I think we can get a haul for one or two players, be set-up for the future, bolster our depth and get a great pick this year.

[Ell Curry]

Where is Gary even rumoured to go? We’ve heard about the teams interested in Fred and OG but nothing about GTJ.

Haven't seen any, but I'll make some up:

Bucks - Grayson Allen, George Hill and either Beauchamp or a first rounder (if we trade OG or Siakam this makes more sense)
Hawks - Trent and OG for Dejounte Murray and Bogdanovic/Capela (if we trade Siakam this makes more sense)
Nets - Joe Harris, Cam Thomas/Sharpe, Mills and a first rounder for Trent and Thad/Boucher
Cavs - Trent and Birch for Okoro, 3 2nd rounders and Levert
Miami - Trent for Duncan Robinson and an unprotected first rounder
Orlando - Trent for Fultz and a heavily protected first rounder, or Antony, Ross and a lotto protected one.
Philly - Trent for Melton, Korkmaz, Paul Reed and 2 2nd rounders
Dallas - Trent for Tim Hardaway and a medium (what if Luka leaves or misses 50 games in a season) protected first
Phoenix - 3 way with us getting a 10M type expiring (or expiring next year contract) and Cam Payne or Torrey Craig, a first rounder from Phoenix and some 3rd team getting Crowder
New Orleans - Hayes, Graham and the Pelicans worst first round pick and they move like Naji Marshall for a big or some 2nds.

[dgr81]

Where is Gary even rumoured to go? We’ve heard about the teams interested in Fred and OG but nothing about GTJ.

Only rumour was San Antonio as part of the Poeltl trade

[_MidNight_]

Needs a real shot to offset lack of first step and quickness. Thats what will hold him back. He’ll be okay but my point is if are trading OG - we better get Trey from them over anyone.

Of course the jumper is what will unlock any player with unique size & passing ability (ahem* Scottie) and I'd argue Dyson's form looks a lot cleaner than Scottie's despite being younger. I know Scottie is even bigger so he can offset it in the post. But Dyson's shot doesn't look broken & imo it actually looks quite good but he's obviously gotta tighten that up with time.

But he does have a unique feel for the game (especially defensively, he's legit on that end) & I would say another way to help offset things until that jumper is cleaner is using some more shiftiness/keeping his defender on his hip ala Luka, Shai....I'm NOT saying that's what he's doing, to be clear I'm saying learning to add more of that will help him build up his game offensively too, the jumper isn't the only way to become better offensively. Personally I think he has enough fluidity with the ball in his hand, court vision & processing ability to become a threat that way but yes ultimately like Scottie, Giddey etc, the jumper would unlock everything else (if I had to pick one guy's shot mechanics right now, to me Dyson's looks the most promising personally).

Like I said though, I am of the same opinion that I would aim for Murphy first, I've been saying that for weeks because I think he's a way better FIT with Scottie...and Pascal if he sticks around. Plus I think Trey has some untapped potential as a scorer himself but I think he'd be such a deadly weapon as a motion shooter around Scottie (like a poorman's Dray & Klay lol). Really my favorite (hopeful) pacakges is either 1. Sharpe + pick or 2. Trey + pick. I just think we could turn Sharpe into a true star wing that would incredibly fun & exciting to watch and Trey, I actually believe if we pushed him, that we could get him to a borderline all-star level type of player, of course that's at the height of their potentials. Even if they didn't become quite that, I think they'd more than make up for OG's loss long term. Dyson to me could actually end up better than Trey as an overall player if that jumper clicks, I just think it could be a real ugly fit UNTIL/if he can get that going, it's not an ideal fit for me like the other 2 more scoring oriented young players that I'd prefer.

Ya iv been saying Trey is the get over anyone on any team right now that MAY be available. Its gonna go down to the wire. Thats the most attractive asset right now. I dont care about LA’s 10 yr picks or NY’s garbage. Quality over quantity everyday.

I actuality think at our draft range we could find our PG/SG of the future. I like Daniel's a lot but if I had to choose I'd take Trey over him and draft Anthony Black with our pick.

Black is already defensive* minded, comes with a jump shot we won't have to develop much, and they're about the same size.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Of course the jumper is what will unlock any player with unique size & passing ability (ahem* Scottie) and I'd argue Dyson's form looks a lot cleaner than Scottie's despite being younger. I know Scottie is even bigger so he can offset it in the post. But Dyson's shot doesn't look broken & imo it actually looks quite good but he's obviously gotta tighten that up with time.

But he does have a unique feel for the game (especially defensively, he's legit on that end) & I would say another way to help offset things until that jumper is cleaner is using some more shiftiness/keeping his defender on his hip ala Luka, Shai....I'm NOT saying that's what he's doing, to be clear I'm saying learning to add more of that will help him build up his game offensively too, the jumper isn't the only way to become better offensively. Personally I think he has enough fluidity with the ball in his hand, court vision & processing ability to become a threat that way but yes ultimately like Scottie, Giddey etc, the jumper would unlock everything else (if I had to pick one guy's shot mechanics right now, to me Dyson's looks the most promising personally).

Like I said though, I am of the same opinion that I would aim for Murphy first, I've been saying that for weeks because I think he's a way better FIT with Scottie...and Pascal if he sticks around. Plus I think Trey has some untapped potential as a scorer himself but I think he'd be such a deadly weapon as a motion shooter around Scottie (like a poorman's Dray & Klay lol). Really my favorite (hopeful) pacakges is either 1. Sharpe + pick or 2. Trey + pick. I just think we could turn Sharpe into a true star wing that would incredibly fun & exciting to watch and Trey, I actually believe if we pushed him, that we could get him to a borderline all-star level type of player, of course that's at the height of their potentials. Even if they didn't become quite that, I think they'd more than make up for OG's loss long term. Dyson to me could actually end up better than Trey as an overall player if that jumper clicks, I just think it could be a real ugly fit UNTIL/if he can get that going, it's not an ideal fit for me like the other 2 more scoring oriented young players that I'd prefer.

Ya iv been saying Trey is the get over anyone on any team right now that MAY be available. Its gonna go down to the wire. Thats the most attractive asset right now. I dont care about LA’s 10 yr picks or NY’s garbage. Quality over quantity everyday.

I actuality think at our draft range we could find our PG/SG of the future. I like Daniel's a lot but if I had to choose I'd take Trey over him and draft Anthony Black with our pick.

Black is already defective minded, comes with a jump shot we won't have to develop much, and they're about the same size.

I don't think Daniels is a PG, but he's another big ballhandler like Scottie that can make correct plays off the dribble. Bank on his shooting coming along. Murphy is just going to be 3&D with questionable D, and he's also a key rotation piece for NOP now. Let them think they "won" the negotiation by keeping Murphy and adding OG and I'll gladly take the younger more versatile prospect in Daniels and maybe we get them to kick in Herb Jones and a pick.

I like Anthony Black, too, but what if he's gone or there's a better prospect at our draft slot?

[TGM]

The one team I really hope is a dark horse for the OG sweepstakes is Portland.

The 7th pick was available to us and given that Sharpe has not exploded onto the scene. I would argue that the 7th pick had more value than Sharpe at the moment. Also, OG has taken his game to another level.

One deal that some might not be crazy, but I think actually makes us a decent team is:

OG, Boucher, Birch for Sharpe, Hart, Nurkic and one future first.

Sharpe could really develop if given the chance, but being buried behind high shot volume Lillard and Simons he has no chance. However, he has that game to translate into a Jalen Green type of scorer. Hart is almost like a poor man's OG. He could start, but also not a bad guy off the bench. If you can resign him on a 3 year pact at 10-12 million I think he is worth it considering where the CBA is going. Nurkic is a big with soft hands. His defense isn't exactly tier one, but he is similar to a JV type of C, that can give you a low post scoring game, some good passing and clog the lane. However, his contract is a fraction of most other starting Cs in the market. All our bigs in Pascal, Scottie, Precious, Thad can play solid help D, so as long as Nurkic can slow down the middle, those guys can help. We also, have a body to bang against the Joel's in the league.

Last year I think the Raptors ask was for the 7th, Hart and Little. At that time I could see why Portland balked, cause Hart was on a tear towards the end of last season. This year he came back down to earth and is a FA. So this would be acquiring more bird rights if anything.

To me Sharpe is an intriguing prospect similar to Daniels, but I think if the team intends to keep Fred or get rid of Fred you rather have a guy with a stronger scoring game. Barnes and Pascal are never going to be real number one options. Nor will a guy like Daniels, Trey Murphy. So you sometimes need to roll the dice a bit more. Also doesn't hurt that Sharpe is Canadian.

To me this deal gets you several things:

1. Young stud prospect that has the alpha scorer potential
2. Bench depth and defensive presence, with a call option on a relatively young guy in Hart
3. A center that will be paid around 18M for the next 2 years that can be a nightly double double. This deal will look great once next CBA kicks in and MLE players are going for 12-13M.
4. Dump two bad contracts
5. Get a pick to sweeten things a bit more.

Regardless if we trade Fred or Trent. This deal allows us to continue with our tank, or try to make a second half run with an opponent friendly schedule.

[Dude-niagara]

Where is Gary even rumoured to go? We’ve heard about the teams interested in Fred and OG but nothing about GTJ.

So many fans keep talking about trading OG, the fact is trading OG will not help or effect moving Barnes up the pecking order. Teams with young stars moved out players in 2nd or 3rd years so their potential star could have a larger offensive role. If Siakam /Fred and Trent are all still on this team next season Barnes will be no better than a 4th option on this team. Siakam and Fred will continue to play your turn my turn jacking 25 shots a night and Gary will almost never pass the ball. We will continue to see Barnes have occasional big scoring nights and more often than not also see him having those games where he 4 attempts in the first half because others were pigging out. I think it is a must that they trade at least one of the those 3 guys if they truly want to see Barnes grow next season or we will be having fans asking what's wrong with Barnes. You think Fred/Gary or Siakam can score big numbers with 10 or less attempts?


Everyone should go look at what the Bucks did with Giannis in his 3rd season and his number went way up. This is my biggest concern and trading OG is not helping Barnes move up the pecking order. In fact I could easily see Precious move ahead of Barnes on some nights and now the MCW comparisons will begin. Were going to find out what this FO is about very soon and if they have no plans to trade one of the 3 then maybe they should look to trade Barnes before his value plummets because of low usage. I heard some saying during the Rockets game that he needs to demand the ball. How if one of the 3 pigs has the ball and are looking to score themselves. Those 3 only pass when they have to.

[ash_k]

Kyrie really messed up the trade deadline for raptors

How exactly? Suns, Port, NO and Memphis the alleged teams that we have been linked to have no reason to be interested in Kyrie:
6-month left on his contract and the entire world knows that Kyrie wants a reunion with LeBron. The Bulls could take a 6-month swing maybe and roll the dice in the offseason. This Kyrie thing is much more of a media thing.

[hyper316]

Kyrie really messed up the trade deadline for raptors

How exactly? Suns, Port, NO and Memphis the alleged teams that we have been linked to have no reason to be interested in Kyrie:
6-month left on his contract and the entire world knows that Kyrie wants a reunion with LeBron. The Bulls could take a 6-month swing maybe and roll the dice in the offseason. This Kyrie thing is much more of a media thing.

I responded early to my same comment. It's Kyrie triggering Durant's next move if Durant demands a trade - more likely in offseason than trade deadline. If Masai wants in, then he would likely stand pat at trade deadline and trade using S&T

[Madvillainy2004]

Where is Gary even rumoured to go? We’ve heard about the teams interested in Fred and OG but nothing about GTJ.

A little side note but I don't think he should go anywhere. To me gsrys flaws are a direct result of nick nurses coaching philosophy. He lets guys get away witj anything offensively as long as they play defense the way he wants. He's never held gary accountable for taking bad shots or not passing the ball, but he has benched him for his supposed lack of defensive effort.

Gary needs to be told to pass the ball more, and be coached to be less selfish offensively. Even if he makes the right read 50% of the time, and makes more of a conscious effort go pass on the pick and roll for example, he's a good player to keep around.

I dont think gary has shown himself to have any playmaking accument at any level of basketball. College he averaged 1.4 assists. In Portland when he went from 21 mpg to 30 mpg his assists jumped from 1.0 to 1.4. In the g league even over 6 games and 34 mpg he averaged 1.4 assists. Last year was his career high with 2.0. I'm fine with Gary as a scorer but I don't see any growth. He doesn't have a good handle and just doesn't see the floor all that well at all.

[WuTang_CMB]

Gary going to stay IMO cuz they not gonna get what they want for him. They''ll re up him

OG seems like the guy with biggest trade value and I think Masai pulls the trigger

[Madvillainy2004]

Gary going to stay IMO cuz they not gonna get what they want for him. They''ll re up him

OG seems like the guy with biggest trade value and I think Masai pulls the trigger

Yeah honestly if Trent is only gonna fetch a late first or 2 seconds he should stay. Especially since his FA market seems pretty lukewarm anyways. Doubt he gets much more than the 20 AAV were offering anyways.

[ash_k]

Kyrie really messed up the trade deadline for raptors

How exactly? Suns, Port, NO and Memphis the alleged teams that we have been linked to have no reason to be interested in Kyrie:
6-month left on his contract and the entire world knows that Kyrie wants a reunion with LeBron. The Bulls could take a 6-month swing maybe and roll the dice in the offseason. This Kyrie thing is much more of a media thing.

I responded early to my same comment. It's Kyrie triggering Durant's next move if Durant demands a trade - more likely in offseason than trade deadline. If Masai wants in, then he would likely stand pat at trade deadline and trade using S&T

then we are fine. Let's get over the tradeline first.
The offseason is another world altogether with a KD pushing 35 and with another MCL sprain on his resume.

[T-d0t]

Gary going to stay IMO cuz they not gonna get what they want for him. They''ll re up him

OG seems like the guy with biggest trade value and I think Masai pulls the trigger

Yeah honestly if Trent is only gonna fetch a late first or 2 seconds he should stay. Especially since his FA market seems pretty lukewarm anyways. Doubt he gets much more than the 20 AAV were offering anyways.

Agreed need to keep Gary if the best they can do is a late 1st or 2 2nds.

What is OGs current trade value? 2 1sts + prospect+filler?

For Fred, not sure what is trade value is but would not want to re-sign him for the rumored 30m+

[WaltFrazier]

There are about a thousand ways management could go. That's the way they have managed things, so I hope they have a good plan. But ultimately I trust Masai.

Mostly I think they have a vision, the 6'9 vision let's say. And that they will find ways to further that and hopefully improve it, no matter who comes and goes. I can't see them trading for an Ayton, a maximum-salaried center, when it's clear they don't want to invest much in the centers position.

Honestly, less moves rather than more makes more sense to me. A classic Masai move of 1 asset for a whole bunch. I think we can get a haul for one or two players, be set-up for the future, bolster our depth and get a great pick this year.

If they really believe in the 6'9 vision, how can they trade the best defender who's part of the vision. They need to trade smaller guys who don't fit the mold, not OG. Then give the vision a real try, because they haven't really done so yet

[Rapsfan07]

I went back and checked. Koloko measured 6 feet 10.75 without shoes, and 7 foot with shoes. Fair to call him a 6 foot 10/11 player then, and a stretch to say he is 7 foot 1. Kessler measured 7 feet and a quarter with Utah barefoot. He is a legitimate 7 footer that would look good in Toronto right now. Shaq was a legitimate 7 foot 1 player back in the day. Cannot say the same about Koloko. I am not a fan of referring to people by their shoe height for various reasons. It is like saying Sidney Crosby in the NHL is a 6 foot 3 player with skates on, since everyone wears skates in hockey.

Arizona lists Koloko as 7' 1". It's been common place for decades to give NBA player heights in shoes. The average basketball ball shoe adds 1-2" in height. He's not 6'9" and he's not just a bit above 6' 10". He's 6' 11"

Just because it has been common place for decades, does not make it right. Kevin Love was listed 6 foot 10 in College and for his whole career, until the NBA 3 years ago required teams to give their player heights without shoes in training camps. He was 6 feet 7.75 inches tall barefoot, and now listed as 6 foot 8. Other countless examples as well, when heights of players shrank 2-3 inches. So, we can agree now that Koloko is not 7 foot 1 or 6 foot 9. You would not give the heights of hockey players with skates on, since everyone wears skates in the NHL. Same should hold true in the NBA.

Agreed.

But either way, the crux of the argument holds true - Koloko is an energy guy

[Ganjamayne]

Makes sense to keep GTJ anyways. He's still young and we can retain him on a decent contract. Move on from FVV and OG depending on the package.

Buy low, sell high.

[Raptaurus]

Gary going to stay IMO cuz they not gonna get what they want for him. They''ll re up him

OG seems like the guy with biggest trade value and I think Masai pulls the trigger

Yeah honestly if Trent is only gonna fetch a late first or 2 seconds he should stay. Especially since his FA market seems pretty lukewarm anyways. Doubt he gets much more than the 20 AAV were offering anyways.

Gary’s trade value is so diminished for one cause he is expiring after this season but just as importantly, teams like the Lakers, Clippers, Nets, Mavs, Cavs, Atlanta, Timberwolves, Bulls, etc have like no first round picks to trade for him.