The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

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Has anyone mentioned an Isiah Thomas comparison for Suggs? I was trying to think of a current player to compare him to and couldnt come up with a good one. I only watched the tournament games though.

Suggs is way bigger. I would say John Wall with better 3pt shooting is a better comp.

[WuTang_CMB]

Dont see any John wall with suggs. suggs reminds me of a hybrid of brandon roy and brogdon

[BoyzNTheHood]

I see a lot of Jrue Holiday in Jalen Suggs.

[Son Goku 25]

Suggs 3 pt shot and mechanics seem elite for the next level.

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I see a lot of Jrue Holiday in Jalen Suggs.

Ah nice. A little bit taller, but don't want to pay him $40 million per year.

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Suggs 3 pt shot and mechanics seem elite for the next level.

Yet only shoots 33%. They aren't elite like Trent Jr.'s.

[Mark_83]

There's no perfect comparison for Suggs but I still think a shorter Brandon Roy is the closest.

Keep in mind that in Roy's first full college season (Sophomore) he averaged only 12.9 points 5.3 reb 3.3ast 1.2stl. In comparison Suggs is at 14.1pts 5.5reb 4.6ast.

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There's no perfect comparison for Suggs but I still think a shorter Brandon Roy is the closest.

Keep in mind that in Roy's first full college season (Sophomore) he averaged only 12.9 points 5.3 reb 3.3ast 1.2stl. In comparison Suggs is at 14.1pts 5.5reb 4.6ast.

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Good enough for me!

Hey, if the Raptors would've properly drafted Aldridge #1 to pair with fellow Texan Bosh (being progressive with the double PF attack), who would Portland draft #2?

OMG, the T-Wolves traded #6 Roy for #7 Randy Foye, to save a few dollars.

All it too for Portland to move up from #4 Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa was adding a 2nd pick for Aldridge.

[NotMyKawhi]

If he's Roy you take him

Roy was MVP level in his prime

[HeadtopChunes]

Roy was a super polished shooter and handler, both of which are Suggs biggest weaknesses (relatively speaking they arent crippling weakness but he's not above average at either skill, the handle especially prob holds him back the most, playing with multiple ballhandlers at Gonzaga has done well to hide this but his handle isn't good enough to be the only ball handler in a lineup)

Suggs is an upgraded Lonzo to me, same strengths (transition passing, halfcourt connector, smart defender), similar weaknesses (weak handle, finishing issues off drives, tendency to disappear in the half-court, doesn't really have an in-between game), the big difference is Suggs while smaller is a lot more athletic and a lot more aggressive, so he won't have Lonzo's rim pressure problem + Suggs doesn't shoot weird either so projecting a pull-up jumper for him is also easier.

[Marty_Budda]

Roy was a super polished shooter and handler, both of which are Suggs biggest weaknesses (relatively speaking they arent crippling weakness but he's not above average at either skill)

Suggs is an upgraded Lonzo to me, same strengths (transition passing, halfcourt connector, smart defender), similar weaknesses (weak handle, tendency to disappear in the half-court, doesn't really have an in-between game), the big difference is Suggs while smaller is a lot more athletic and a lot more aggressive, so he won't have Lonzo's rim pressure problem + Suggs doesn't shoot weird either so projecting a pull-up jumper for him is also easier.

While Suggs may not have an elite handle, he is lightning quick getting to the basket and then making the right play (either passing out or finishing). This will make him look even better with NBA spacing. Handles can be improved over time.

I don’t agree at all that he has no in between game. Every game I’ve seen of his he always makes at least one turn around midrange shot.

Roy was also a 4 year college player. It’s not unrealistic to believe Suggs can develop into an even better Brandon Roy when he’s 22.

[ItsDanger]

To keep it in perspective, Brandon Roy played 4 yrs for the Huskies.

[raptor jesus]

Suggs 3 pt shot and mechanics seem elite for the next level.

Yet only shoots 33%. They aren't elite like Trent Jr.'s.

Yeah Suggs needs to tighten up his shot. Sometimes his misses are very ugly, like no rim, clank off of the backboard ugly. To me, that's something of a telltale sign of a good shooter - how clean do their shots go in and how close/consistent are their misses (e.g. a lot of in and outs or soft bounces, or do they brick all over the place). This is probably the biggest concern with Suggs' game, especially with the shorter college line. But I would agree that his mechanics and confidence seem to be in a workable state, so he should be able to improve over time if he puts in the work.

[HeadtopChunes]

Roy was a super polished shooter and handler, both of which are Suggs biggest weaknesses (relatively speaking they arent crippling weakness but he's not above average at either skill)

Suggs is an upgraded Lonzo to me, same strengths (transition passing, halfcourt connector, smart defender), similar weaknesses (weak handle, tendency to disappear in the half-court, doesn't really have an in-between game), the big difference is Suggs while smaller is a lot more athletic and a lot more aggressive, so he won't have Lonzo's rim pressure problem + Suggs doesn't shoot weird either so projecting a pull-up jumper for him is also easier.

While Suggs may not have an elite handle, he is lightning quick getting to the basket and then making the right play (either passing out or finishing). Handles can be improved over time.

I don’t agree at all that he has no in between game. Every game I’ve seen of his he always makes at least one turn around midrange shot.

Roy was also a 4 year college player. It’s not unrealistic to believe Suggs can develop into an even better Brandon Roy when he’s 22.

Suggs has taken less than 50 midrange shot attempts this year, which is pretty low. He did start getting to his floater more as the year went on but it has been rare

Since 2009 this is the list of lottery picks under 6'6 that have taken less than 50 MR jumpers their freshmen year

Spoiler:

Oladipo is the only one there who actually became a good midrange shooter

Roy was also a 4 year college player. It’s not unrealistic to believe Suggs can develop into an even better Brandon Roy when he’s 22.

Maybe but growth isn't linear and there's no way to know this when drafting, especially when projecting the improvement of a prospects 2 biggest weaknesses

[Mark_83]

Roy was a super polished shooter and handler, both of which are Suggs biggest weaknesses

Roy was also a 4-year senior when he was drafted. His 3 point percentages prior to his senior year were .100, .222, .350 respectively. His free throw percentages were .486, .785, .741. Assist averages 1.0, 3.3, 2.2 per game. Turnovers per game were 1.4, 2.7, 1.5.

Suggs: .333%, .766%, 4.6ast, 2.9.

Suggs' shooting numbers and ball control indicators are all pretty comparable to Roy's prior to his Senior season.

[raptor jesus]

I don't really see the Roy comps. Roy was bigger and one of the most refined scorers in the league - I know Roy was older, but given what we've seen from Suggs, it seems like a stretch to project that level of refinement. Suggs is also a more dynamic athlete and projects better defensively imo. My comp is a Billups (size, feel, defense)/Jordan Clarkson (athleticism) hybrid.

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Suggs has taken less than 50 midrange shot attempts this year, which is pretty low. He did start getting to his floater more as the year went on but it has been rare

Since 2009 this is the list of lottery picks under 6'6 that have taken less than 50 MR jumpers their freshmen year

Spoiler:

Oladipo is the only one there who actually became a good midrange shooter

Roy was also a 4 year college player. It’s not unrealistic to believe Suggs can develop into an even better Brandon Roy when he’s 22.

Maybe but growth isn't linear and there's no way to know this when drafting, especially when projecting the improvement of a prospects 2 biggest weaknesses

I would say that's a by-product of their pro-style offense. Shoot the 3 or dump it down to Timme or P&R for a shot or dive to the hoop. Get to the hoop or kick it out to someone for a 3.

Ayayi saved Gonzaga's bacon vs UCLA. Ayayi stepped up.

If Suggs doesn't have enough good players around him, I could see him be a chucker like Donovan Mitchell with above average defense. Mitchell has actually raised his %'s out from chucker status to elite scorer, thus he is a max player. He's lucky to have Gobert cover up his poor defense.

[DreamTeam09]

If we are outside the top 5, the next best prospect to me looks like James Bouknight - He's a CJ / Beal / Booker type of bucket

[HeadtopChunes]

Suggs has taken less than 50 midrange shot attempts this year, which is pretty low. He did start getting to his floater more as the year went on but it has been rare

Since 2009 this is the list of lottery picks under 6'6 that have taken less than 50 MR jumpers their freshmen year

Spoiler:

Oladipo is the only one there who actually became a good midrange shooter

Roy was also a 4 year college player. It’s not unrealistic to believe Suggs can develop into an even better Brandon Roy when he’s 22.

Maybe but growth isn't linear and there's no way to know this when drafting, especially when projecting the improvement of a prospects 2 biggest weaknesses

I would say that's a by-product of their pro-style offense. Shoot the 3 or dump it down to Timme or P&R for a shot or dive to the hoop. Get to the hoop or kick it out to someone for a 3.

Ayayi saved Gonzaga's bacon vs UCLA. Ayayi stepped up.

If Suggs doesn't have enough good players around him, I could see him be a chucker like Donovan Mitchell with above average defense. Mitchell has actually raised his %'s out from chucker status to elite scorer, thus he is a max player. He's lucky to have Gobert cover up his poor defense.

Yeah, Gonzaga being so outlier stacked might be a reason for his low Midrange frequency + the jumper looks fine to me eye test wise too. I don't think he'll be an elite shooter or anything but I can see him be a decent one (like Jrue Holiday mentioned earlier).

I don't see the Mitchell thing, chucking isn't in Sugg's nature and he's just a more aware and reactive player than Mitchell is.

I don't think he's gonna be some USG monster like Mitchell or Luka or something, Suggs prob looks best in a secondary handler role where he can take turns running the offense and capitalizing vs tilted defenses but isn't depended on to be the offense very similar to Gonzaga. On our team next to Fred + Siakam that would work well. But, If a team is drafting him to be Doncic or Chris Paul they're gonna be disappointed.

[Son Goku 25]

There's no perfect comparison for Suggs but I still think a shorter Brandon Roy is the closest.

Keep in mind that in Roy's first full college season (Sophomore) he averaged only 12.9 points 5.3 reb 3.3ast 1.2stl. In comparison Suggs is at 14.1pts 5.5reb 4.6ast.

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This is insane, you gotta feel for Roy. He's going up against an elite defensive team vs Rockets, for him to perform like that vs them and just knowing how good he was its sad to see a player not live up to his potential.