Tank World Order

Psubs · Post #1761 » by **Psubs** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:15 am

tanuki1031 wrote:According to the ringer we've had the 4th easiest schedule so far and have the 2nd hardest remaining.

Booyeah!

They haven't played any games vs Detroit, Minnesota or Washington yet.

Marty_Budda · Post #1762 » by **Marty_Budda** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:17 am

Psubs wrote:
tanuki1031 wrote:According to the ringer we've had the 4th easiest schedule so far and have the 2nd hardest remaining.

Booyeah!

They haven't played any games vs Detroit, Minnesota or Washington yet.

We also haven’t played the lakers, clippers, jazz, nets, nuggets and we’ve barely played Boston, bucks, 76ers.

Kingsway_fan · Post #1763 » by **Kingsway_fan** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:21 am

Close game loss... perfect game for tank for top 5 pick....

PhilBlackson · Post #1764 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:27 am

Currently top 5 which means one of Green or Kuminga (Masai's golden child), 2nd hardest schedule and Miami getting Butler back soon enough and Herro reiterating himself while being motivatedby being called a fluke...I'm hood with that.

Mark_83 · Post #1765 » by **Mark_83** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:10 am

If we fell outside of the top 5 who's the next best guy up? Barnes? Moody? Bouknight?

PhilBlackson · Post #1766 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:01 am

Mark_83 wrote:If we fell outside of the top 5 who's the next best guy up? Barnes? Moody? Bouknight?

Imo right now it looks like any of Williams, Johnson, Barnes, Christopher or Boston could end up being steals and my next best 5 personally...

Syd-TK3 · Post #1767 » by **Syd-TK3** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:35 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:If we fell outside of the top 5 who's the next best guy up? Barnes? Moody? Bouknight?

Imo right now it looks like any of Williams, Johnson, Barnes, Christopher or Boston could end up being steals and my next best 5 personally...

Johnson is the clear leader of that group and could arguably be in the top 5 if Green or Kuminga don't do well in the g league

Either way lots of good options rn

Son Goku 25 · Post #1768 » by **Son Goku 25** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:08 pm

I saw Johnsons highlights i just hope by the draft it becomes as clear as possible who should be selected because that guy looks like one of those do it all players that also have size and aren't soft.. pretty much a player whoccould be in the convo for potential mvp and I dont want to lose that.

Son Goku 25 · Post #1769 » by **Son Goku 25** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:16 pm

You want the NBA and their refs to give us a favorable whistle because they have no other reason not to? Get a hyped young player who will get fans to watch him play. This wouldn't be like Kawhi who for arguments sake you can say the NBA refs knew he only had one year here and could leave to LA. We all saw we still had to beat the refs in 2019 to win for the most part and they tried their hardest to show Kawhi stars dont get calls here and leave to LA.

This would mean at least 7 years, NBA can't have the raps not be successful for that long and if they do get that star or two then I think we're getting that prime time spot on TV and ratings go up. Win win for everyone.

Kevin Willis · Post #1770 » by **Kevin Willis** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:27 pm

I have never, ever wanted to be a part of Tank World Order. Ever. Nevah, evah. But with them playing in Florida and sucking this bad and the draft class next year looking nice. I'm tempted...

mintsa · Post #1771 » by **mintsa** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:06 pm

Is Lowry the secret tank commander ?

That tech at the end of last nights game was very suspect.....

JShuttlesworth · Post #1772 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:19 pm

Next 4: Magic / Magic / Nets / Hawks

At most we win two games there but 1-3 could be a realistic possibility.

9-14 or 8-15. That's horrendous....in a good way.

bluerap23 · Post #1773 » by **bluerap23** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:25 pm

KL78192020 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
ReggieSlater wrote:I'll clarify my position one more time, and leave it at that.

I'm not against trading Lowry if the team decides to do that. My only argument is that incremental success is possible, and any teams current ceiling isn't static. I'd personally rather not get into the rut of star chasing like the Knicks have been doing for years, but that model failed because they chased terrible stars, and had terrible management. Proper management trumps all decisions. Having a good draft pick, and terrible talent evaluators means nothing. You'll just make back draft picks. Likewise, if you're a "treadmill" team and need to make a jump forward (or back) it can be (and has been) done with proper management.

Pointing to the entirety of the draft and saying this pool of players is ours, what you got, is pointless. Good teams draft good players in the draft while maintaining a competitive roster. It's harder, no doubt about it, but is it harder to draft late round gems with proper management or draft HoF talent in the lottery with incompetent management. The Spurs draft picks in the late first / second round rivals a lot of crap teams stuck in the lottery.

Last years team was one of the best teams in any sport I have had the pleasure to watch. I knew we weren't going to win a championship but it was immensely enjoyable. I'm curious to know if the pro-tankers were watching raptor ball when we were a tanking team?

No one said anything about tanking last year. Last years team was fine to watch, are you enjoying watching the current team as constructed?

I am talking about rebuilding our team to that level next season.
As in - I don't want to repeat this season or worse for multiple years, thus i am anti-tank.

Brinbe · Post #1774 » by **Brinbe** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:45 pm

I think injuries are the only real way this works out. But it could happen. This team is only a playoff team if everyone stays healthy. Masai will have some tough decisions to make. We very well could be in a playoff position and the FO will have decide to sell on Lowry/Norm.

I'd imagine that would be a contentious decision, but logically, the right one. But we'll have to see if that's where their head's at.

The draft and the tank will work itself out. But the more important thing we don't know yet is what Masai/Bobby's mid/long-term plan is with this team.

What does plan B, without Giannis, look like in their eyes?

That's the discussion we need to be having and pondering.

They theoretically could use this pick (if it turns out to be a high one) as additional trade ballast to chase a star.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1775 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:55 pm

Brinbe wrote:I think injuries are the only real way this works out. But it could happen. This team is only a playoff team if everyone stays healthy. Masai will have some tough decisions to make. We very well could be in a playoff position and the FO will have decide to sell on Lowry/Norm.

I'd imagine that would be a contentious decision, but logically, the right one. But we'll have to see if that's where their head's at.

The draft and the tank will work itself out. But the more important thing we don't know yet is what Masai/Bobby's mid/long-term plan is with this team.

What does plan B, without Giannis, look like in their eyes?

That's the discussion we need to be having and pondering.

They theoretically could use this pick (if it turns out to be a high one) as additional trade ballast to chase a star.

They don't plan long-term, because, as you can see, a season can just get away with you. They locked up Siakam, Fred and OG and will likely try and win with those guys, this year or the next.

Par36 · Post #1776 » by **Par36** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:59 pm

I'm slowly getting on board with the tank.

Unfortunately the simple truth is a tank means Lowry is gone.

ark26 · Post #1777 » by **ark26** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:07 pm

I don't wanna see any anti-tank members side-swapping after 30 games when they realize that this team is nothing more than a 1st round exit. Not a fan of people who are willing to risk the future of the franchise just win a couple of more games - even after you seen the flaws of this team.

Brinbe · Post #1778 » by **Brinbe** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:12 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Brinbe wrote:I think injuries are the only real way this works out. But it could happen. This team is only a playoff team if everyone stays healthy. Masai will have some tough decisions to make. We very well could be in a playoff position and the FO will have decide to sell on Lowry/Norm.

I'd imagine that would be a contentious decision, but logically, the right one. But we'll have to see if that's where their head's at.

The draft and the tank will work itself out. But the more important thing we don't know yet is what Masai/Bobby's mid/long-term plan is with this team.

What does plan B, without Giannis, look like in their eyes?

That's the discussion we need to be having and pondering.

They theoretically could use this pick (if it turns out to be a high one) as additional trade ballast to chase a star.

They don't plan long-term, because, as you can see, a season can just get away with you. They locked up Siakam, Fred and OG and will likely try and win with those guys, this year or the next.

I don't think we really know yet if they're married to any of those guys. That's my point. We could trade all of them.

The truth is we could have an entirely new team. That's my point. The questions we should be asking are bigger in scope than simply what prospect do we go after.

At this point, I wanna know what people think we should do next. What players do you target? Whether that's via trade or FA, or the draft.

From this roster, who's here long term and who isn't?

Those are the discussions we should be having. This entire season is one giant evaluation.

And losses like the one last night, even with no OG/Norm, are wake up calls that we desperately lack elite talent and good centers.

Psubs · Post #1779 » by **Psubs** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:24 pm

Mark_83 wrote:If we fell outside of the top 5 who's the next best guy up? Barnes? Moody? Bouknight?

Jalen Johnson, unless he moves up and makes it top 6. :nod:

Is he Michael Porter Jr. 2.0 with more blocks but worse 3pt shooting?

Jalen Johnson is from Milwaukee, so the cold shouldn't be a factor.

Unselfish, grabs the boards and runs the break. He's like Pascal with better handles.

Watch on YouTube

Marty_Budda · Post #1780 » by **Marty_Budda** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:29 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
KL78192020 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:

Last years team was one of the best teams in any sport I have had the pleasure to watch. I knew we weren't going to win a championship but it was immensely enjoyable. I'm curious to know if the pro-tankers were watching raptor ball when we were a tanking team?

No one said anything about tanking last year. Last years team was fine to watch, are you enjoying watching the current team as constructed?

I am talking about rebuilding our team to that level next season.
As in - I don't want to repeat this season or worse for multiple years, thus i am anti-tank.

Most of us are behind a quick tank. We don’t want multiple seasons of this. A top 5 pick this year, max cap space this summer on top of the squad we already have...if that happens we won’t be this bad for a long time.

Being pro tank doesn’t automatically mean we want 5 years of tanking.

Imagine we get Mobley in the draft and get oladipo in FA.

Fred
Oladipo
OG
Siakam
Mobley

Quickest rebuild of all time. But some people want to win this year for some messed up reason and get kicked out in the first round, get a crappy pick, in a season without fans, not playing in Toronto etc. it makes no sense.