Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[BoyzNTheHood]

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It would make a ton of sense for the Cavs and Magic to work out a deal if Cleveland really wants Kuminga.

[Raps in 4]

To take a break from debating Mock Drafts I am genuinely curious where folks think Alperen Şengün is going to go in the draft?

Whats the highest you seem him going and the lowest you see him going?

My guess is in the 10-20 range.

[TuckerBox]

According to Chad Ford (take that for what it is) there are internal discussions going on in the Raps organization between taking Suggs & Barnes. This is from his latest mock today. He also has us taking RaiQuan Gray at 46 and Juhann Begarin at 47.

4. Toronto Raptors
Scottie Barnes
Florida State
Freshman
Forward
6’8” | 225 | 7’2.75” wingspan
Age on draft night: 19.9

With Cunningham, Mobley and Green expected to be the first three picks, things get interesting at No. 4. Kyle Lowry is a free agent this summer and the Raptors will need to make a strong move to replace him.

Do they cut a deal for Ben Simmons? Do they draft Scottie Barnes, another super-sized point guard with shooting woes? Or do they go with Jalen Suggs, a former quarterback who could fit seamlessly in the backcourt with Fred VanVleet?

I’m hearing about a lot of internal discussion on Barnes vs. Suggs if the team keeps its pick. I’m not sure Toronto can go wrong with either player. Barnes has the greater ceiling, Suggs the higher floor.

[Bruin]

Who does Orlando even target at 3 if they move up? Mobley even with WCJ and Bamba? Or Suggs with Fultz, Hampton and Cole? Feels like they want Green more than anything but he won’t be there at 3

[WuTang_CMB]

According to Chad Ford (take that for what it is) there are internal discussions going on in the Raps organization between taking Suggs & Barnes. This is from his latest mock today. He also has us taking RaiQuan Gray at 46 and Juhann Begarin at 47.

4. Toronto Raptors
Scottie Barnes
Florida State
Freshman
Forward
6’8” | 225 | 7’2.75” wingspan
Age on draft night: 19.9

With Cunningham, Mobley and Green expected to be the first three picks, things get interesting at No. 4. Kyle Lowry is a free agent this summer and the Raptors will need to make a strong move to replace him.

Do they cut a deal for Ben Simmons? Do they draft Scottie Barnes, another super-sized point guard with shooting woes? Or do they go with Jalen Suggs, a former quarterback who could fit seamlessly in the backcourt with Fred VanVleet?

I’m hearing about a lot of internal discussion on Barnes vs. Suggs if the team keeps its pick. I’m not sure Toronto can go wrong with either player. Barnes has the greater ceiling, Suggs the higher floor.

Take this with a grain of salt. He blundered the Skal pick twice. We blew smoke up his a** up until draft night.

[billy_hoyle]

Who does Orlando even target at 3 if they move up? Mobley even with WCJ and Bamba? Or Suggs with Hampton and Cole? Feels like they want Green more than anything but he won’t be there at 3

If Cavs take Kuminga 3, and Orlando loves Mobley, could we leverage the 4 for Suggs + Mo Bamba/WCJ?

The Cavs are a wild card. Should be exciting draft time.

[Raptorfan2012]

According to Chad Ford (take that for what it is) there are internal discussions going on in the Raps organization between taking Suggs & Barnes. This is from his latest mock today. He also has us taking RaiQuan Gray at 46 and Juhann Begarin at 47.

4. Toronto Raptors
Scottie Barnes
Florida State
Freshman
Forward
6’8” | 225 | 7’2.75” wingspan
Age on draft night: 19.9

With Cunningham, Mobley and Green expected to be the first three picks, things get interesting at No. 4. Kyle Lowry is a free agent this summer and the Raptors will need to make a strong move to replace him.

Do they cut a deal for Ben Simmons? Do they draft Scottie Barnes, another super-sized point guard with shooting woes? Or do they go with Jalen Suggs, a former quarterback who could fit seamlessly in the backcourt with Fred VanVleet?

I’m hearing about a lot of internal discussion on Barnes vs. Suggs if the team keeps its pick. I’m not sure Toronto can go wrong with either player. Barnes has the greater ceiling, Suggs the higher floor.

Scottie Barnes is such a tough one for me. I personally like Suggs more but if Barnes can actually shoot FTs at around 75%+ and can show he can shoot a long range pull up in-game, then he is very interesting.

[mademan]

I could honestly see a split between Suggs/Barnes in the scouting department. Barnes is just special physically and it's all functional athleticism that he knows how to use well. He's a Ben Simmons mold that has much more shooting potential (as in he already has enough confidence to put up some shots), and thats a special player if he hits his ceiling.

But im also a big fan of Suggs who i think has an underrated ceiling himself. But bruh, Scottie Barnes is a legit point forward with DPOY type potential. Those guys are rare af. I could see there being some contention about who the Raps should take.

[mademan]

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I know people dont like the raw athlete "a jumpshot away" types, but Barnes physically is a lot closer to Ben Simmons than he is RHJ. This dude's huge. BBIQ/playmaking skills/defense at his size is just an amazing combo.

[Tofubeque]

It really feels like everything might be coming together for Mobley. We couldn't ask for more incompetent teams picking in front of us, and he doesn't have the buzz as a sexy pick.

Dean Demakis made a pretty good case that Mobley is the best passing C prospect to come out of the last 20 years of the NCAA, and he elevated the play of his formerly mid-major teammates at USC against stronger competition. We might be getting athletic Marc Gasol

[Kreamy]

If Kuminga goes #3 to the Cavs, we should do everything to get #5 from Orlando to draft Mobley and Suggs.

One scenario:

- Siakam to Golden State

- Wiseman + #7 + #14 to Orlando

- Wiggins + #5 to the Raps

Magic get Wiseman and #14 for moving from #5 to #7. Warriors get Siakam.

We build around a core of Suggs, Mobley, Anunoby, Trent Jr. and Flynn with VanVleet playing the Lowry role.

ORL doesn't do it. They would be getting a franchise PG ... we are going crazy if we get Suggs at 4 ... imagine he drops to them at 5. They are going to take him and run. Their board loves him

Dream crusher.

[Spida888]

If Kuminga goes #3 to the Cavs, we should do everything to get #5 from Orlando to draft Mobley and Suggs.

One scenario:

- Siakam to Golden State

- Wiseman + #7 + #14 to Orlando

- Wiggins + #5 to the Raps

Magic get Wiseman and #14 for moving from #5 to #7. Warriors get Siakam.

We build around a core of Suggs, Mobley, Anunoby, Trent Jr. and Flynn with VanVleet playing the Lowry role.

Yeah for sure, but not sure if Orlando does that - they already have Mo Bamba/WCJ as Cs and it's projected to be a big drop in talent from #5 to #7.

Even if we cannot get #5, a trade with OKC to get #6 to nab Barnes to replace Pascal isn't bad for a rebuild.

Personally I don't mind a rebuild if the FO sees good talent for #7 + #14 (ex. Bouknight + Sengun/Giddy/Kai Jones/JT Thor/Jalen Johnson).

[PhilBlackson]

Who does Orlando even target at 3 if they move up? Mobley even with WCJ and Bamba? Or Suggs with Hampton and Cole? Feels like they want Green more than anything but he won’t be there at 3

I honestly don't think the Magic would wanna trade up. People forget the hope and optimisticism for Bamba coming into the draft but ORL won't...feel eerily similar for them to hear about a long athletic young C with some shooting potential lol...and it's not like WC Jr didn't have some upside either, he was being hyped as young Horford like before the draft....why does ORL want to have to try and develop 3 Cs at once?? Lol they don't/won't especially when they haven't been good at it.

Then they're loaded with guards, just paid Fultz, just drafted Anthony, traded got Harris and Hampton...they themselves have a gap a SF lol they likely want Kuminga or Barnes too...and they get another shot to add yet another after...honestly don't think they'd like that trade all that much, CLE though yes would likely love it.

[Kreamy]

I have a feeling we'll come away with Mobley and Giddey.

[nowayguy]

Not really seeing Barnes as a high-level functional athlete. Strictly as an athlete, I think he will disappoint a lot of people when the season starts. Guy struggled to beat college players in the half-court and suddenly he's going to do it against grown men? People question Suggs handle but Barnes rarely got by his man without help in the half-court. Suggs gets by players with simple dribbles, quickness and speed.

When you see Barnes success in transition, all it tells me is that he needs a huge running start, pretty much half of the court, to be effective as a self-creator. Dont think Barnes is lacking for confidence so I think it's more likely he's just not capable to beat players without a running start.

[Bruin]

Who does Orlando even target at 3 if they move up? Mobley even with WCJ and Bamba? Or Suggs with Hampton and Cole? Feels like they want Green more than anything but he won’t be there at 3

I honestly don't think the Magic would wanna trade up. People forget the hope and optimistic for Bamba coming into the draft but ORL won't...feel eerily similar for them to hear about a long athletic young C with some shooting potential lol...and it's not like WC Jr didn't have some upside either, he was being hyped as young Horford like before the draft....why does ORL want to have to try and develop 3 Cs at once?? Lol they don't/won't.

Then they're loaded with guards, just paid Fultz, just drafted Anthony, traded got Harris and Hampton...they themselves have a gap a SF lol they likely want Kuminga or Barnes too...and they get another shot to add yet another after...honestly don't think they'd like that trade all that much, CLE though yes would likely love it.

Yea I agree. Don’t see why Orlando does it. I think they’re content with letting Cavs reach and let one of the top 4 drop to them. And if not, I think they take Kuminga or Barnes themselves and still have the 8th pick

If Green were available at 3 I could see why they might move up but it seems unlikely right now

[CoinTossRoss31]

If Cavs take Kuminga (who was once projected #1 like Cade and Green).

So between Mobley and Suggs, who to take? Oh ya, there's a whole thread on this.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2102756

I run to the podium for Mobley. I believe he's a tier above Suggs

[Tor_Raps]

No way the Cavs take Kuminga that early, I suspect they're evaluating trade-down opportunities, and probably the same ones we've been throwing around (Magic's 2 picks, Warriors picks etc).

Of course individual workouts will go well for Kuminga, all of his weaknesses manifest in a team setting. I don't see a guy who went 39/25/63 and was lost defensively going #3. Why not just take Barnes at that point, as he has the same physical profile but has already shown elite defense and playmaking? (that won't happen either - just playing hypotheticals).

I think they're angling for a deal.

Kuminga was playing against men and using the NBA 3 point line while Barnes was playing against boys. There is a vast difference if you are going to look at raw stats.

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It would make a ton of sense for the Cavs and Magic to work out a deal if Cleveland really wants Kuminga.

Orlando doesn't need another center with Carter and Bamba already on board so unless Green is available at 3, Magic are better off to stay at 5. Carter actually played pretty well for the Magic and Bamba looked better with the minutes he finally got by not being behind Vucevic.

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