2023 Draft Prospect discussion

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If he keeps up his solid play and puts up 15-20 ppg, he should move up around the top 10 like where Haliburton was drafted (though he fell for some reason). I think the Raptors will be drafting around #15 now, with the soft schedule.

Really? I see him dropping on draft night. He's probably more like 6-2 than 6-4, average wingspan, and he's not particularly dynamic offensively. Maxey was a far more exciting prospect, and he dropped to the middle of the first round in a weaker draft. The bar to clear for short combo-guards is much higher. That said, I love Cason, and think he'd be an awesome addition to this team. He moves differently on defense. Sounds crazy, but he reminds me of a smaller, better shooting Jimmy Butler.

Maxey was a "shooter" who shot 42% from the field entering the draft, and 29% from three. That's why he fell. And even that was a mistake. He's been better than a little over half the players taken in front of him.

I guess Black is putting up poor numbers but people think he can shoot better. He relies too much on his athleticism, if he gets hurt he's going to be affected a lot.

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cason wallace is the exact player we should be targeting and he should be available around where we're likely to pick.

He'll probably go earlier.

I'm shifting to guys like Rayan Rupert, Leonard Miller, Colby Jones toolsy types.

https://www.nbadraft.net/

WTF, they have Rupert at #9 like he's Nicolas Batum. He's not shooting that well in the NBL, but neither did Giddey.

[dozo]

One thing I will admit, 5-18 are the same level prospects. So unless we win the lottery, its prolly better to make the playoffs and still get a legit guy in the late teens

The raptors scouts were wrong about the talent discrepancies (20th-30th) in last years draft.

Yes, the prospects ranging from 5-18 all have holes in their game but there is a talent gap being ignored.
E.g.Keyonte George > Terquavion Smith

The difference between winning and losing in professional sports is miniscule.

[grant101]

If he keeps up his solid play and puts up 15-20 ppg, he should move up around the top 10 like where Haliburton was drafted (though he fell for some reason). I think the Raptors will be drafting around #15 now, with the soft schedule.

Someone said he would be targeted but Tyrese haliburton is only 1 inch taller but weighs even less than Wallace. Cason is shooting 69% FT's but that's what Tyrese shot his freshman year, though brought it up to 82% his sophomore season. Wallace has hit some clutch FT's at the end of games so I think he's more 75-80% than sub 70%. In 2023 he's shooting 88% FTs.

Man, I remember that draft. I had Haliburton in my top 5, and was shocked he fell so far. I thought for sure the Warriors would take him, but I guess I overestimated their scouting. Instead they took Wiseman. lol

This is why the Warriors are one of the smartest teams. Halliburton is tailor made for the Warriors with his amazing efficiency. He'll be like a rich man's Livingston for them, capable of playing the 1 or 2, off the ball or on the ball. I love this pick for them.

I got Halliburton. A 6'5 pointguard with analytic friendly stats. Rare high floor high ceiling player imo.

People didn't buy a 50/40/80 sophomore running a decent team. I wonder if they thought he wasn't athletic enough.

Detroit is the real stupid ones, trying to hit a 5-run HR with Killian Hayes. Haliburton should be a Piston, but then maybe they aren't bad enough to get Cade nor bad enough to get Wemby/Scoot. Though say they have Haliburton and pick up Barnes, Giddey or Wagner?!?!?!?

I remember being super high on Hali. He started off the year mocked late in the 20s, then progressively (frustratingly for Raptor fans) raised up draft boards. Same goes for Pat WIlliams.

The knocks on Hali were his poor on-ball defense, lack of an ability to create off the dribble (which, in fairness, he hadn't really demonstrated in college), and lack of belief in his 3pt shot (shot very poorly as a freshman and had a funky, slow release on his shot).

[BoyzNTheHood]

We're going to win enough to make the playoffs or close to it with Jak. We need to start looking at guys in the 12-16 range. On Tankathon that's currently Jett Howard, Anthony Black, Brice Sensabaugh, Dariq Whitehead, and Kyle Filipowski.

I wouldn't mind taking Jett Howard one bit. Do a sign and trade with Fred for a guy like Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs, then start Scottie at the point with Jett beside him. That's a backcourt with two 6'8" guys. Let OG run at the 3, Pascal at the 4, and Jak at the 5. With Precious and GTJ off the bench. Just solidify the bench with a couple of guys and you're back in the 3-4 seed conversation.

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[Mark_83]

Man, I remember that draft. I had Haliburton in my top 5, and was shocked he fell so far. I thought for sure the Warriors would take him, but I guess I overestimated their scouting. Instead they took Wiseman. lol

People didn't buy a 50/40/80 sophomore running a decent team. I wonder if they thought he wasn't athletic enough.

Detroit is the real stupid ones, trying to hit a 5-run HR with Killian Hayes. Haliburton should be a Piston, but then maybe they aren't bad enough to get Cade nor bad enough to get Wemby/Scoot. Though say they have Haliburton and pick up Barnes, Giddey or Wagner?!?!?!?

I remember being super high on Hali. He started off the year mocked late in the 20s, then progressively (frustratingly for Raptor fans) raised up draft boards. Same goes for Pat WIlliams.

The knocks on Hali were his poor on-ball defense, lack of an ability to create off the dribble (which, in fairness, he hadn't really demonstrated in college), and lack of belief in his 3pt shot (shot very poorly as a freshman and had a funky, slow release on his shot).

Didn't you join the board in 2022?

[Ell Curry]

We're going to win enough to make the playoffs or close to it with Jak. We need to start looking at guys in the 12-16 range. On Tankathon that's currently Jett Howard, Anthony Black, Brice Sensabaugh, Dariq Whitehead, and Kyle Filipowski.

I wouldn't mind taking Jett Howard one bit. Do a sign and trade with Fred for a guy like Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs, then start Scottie at the point with Jett beside him. That's a backcourt with two 6'8" guys. Let OG run at the 3, Pascal at the 4, and Jak at the 5. With Precious and GTJ off the bench. Just solidify the bench with a couple of guys and you're back in the 3-4 seed conversation.

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Vecenie has it:
12 - George
13 - Dick
14 - Sensabaugh
15 - GG Jackson
16 - Howard
17 - Rupert
18 - Murray
19 - Lewis
20 - Hendricks

Lots of shooters in that group.

[grant101]

People didn't buy a 50/40/80 sophomore running a decent team. I wonder if they thought he wasn't athletic enough.

Detroit is the real stupid ones, trying to hit a 5-run HR with Killian Hayes. Haliburton should be a Piston, but then maybe they aren't bad enough to get Cade nor bad enough to get Wemby/Scoot. Though say they have Haliburton and pick up Barnes, Giddey or Wagner?!?!?!?

I remember being super high on Hali. He started off the year mocked late in the 20s, then progressively (frustratingly for Raptor fans) raised up draft boards. Same goes for Pat WIlliams.

The knocks on Hali were his poor on-ball defense, lack of an ability to create off the dribble (which, in fairness, he hadn't really demonstrated in college), and lack of belief in his 3pt shot (shot very poorly as a freshman and had a funky, slow release on his shot).

Didn't you join the board in 2022?

lol, yeah. But I've been a Raptor fan since the beginning and have been following the draft/college ball since forever. Just hadn't bothered to post

[Mark_83]

Really? I see him dropping on draft night. He's probably more like 6-2 than 6-4, average wingspan, and he's not particularly dynamic offensively. Maxey was a far more exciting prospect, and he dropped to the middle of the first round in a weaker draft. The bar to clear for short combo-guards is much higher. That said, I love Cason, and think he'd be an awesome addition to this team. He moves differently on defense. Sounds crazy, but he reminds me of a smaller, better shooting Jimmy Butler.

Maxey was a "shooter" who shot 42% from the field entering the draft, and 29% from three. That's why he fell. And even that was a mistake. He's been better than a little over half the players taken in front of him.

I guess Black is putting up poor numbers but people think he can shoot better. He relies too much on his athleticism, if he gets hurt he's going to be affected a lot.

Black has impressive athleticism and feel, but most of his buckets are off the fast break or steals. His half court scoring basically consists of baseline drives off the pick and roll. I don't know how he and Scottie would play together tbh. Both need the ball in their hands and then there's Pascal. This is going to sound like blasphemy but I'd trade Scottie for any of Scoot, Miller, or Walker at this point if we're keeping Pascal and Yak and OG. He doesn't fit unless he adds shooting.

[WuTang_CMB]

likely gonna sit 13-16 if all goes well with yak / improved play .. but we shall see.

masai needs to hit this draft. theres no margin for error

[grant101]

Maxey was a "shooter" who shot 42% from the field entering the draft, and 29% from three. That's why he fell. And even that was a mistake. He's been better than a little over half the players taken in front of him.

I guess Black is putting up poor numbers but people think he can shoot better. He relies too much on his athleticism, if he gets hurt he's going to be affected a lot.

Black has impressive athleticism and feel, but most of his buckets are off the fast break or steals. His half court scoring basically consists of baseline drives off the pick and roll. I don't know how he and Scottie would play together tbh. Both need the ball in their hands and then there's Pascal. This is going to sound like blasphemy but I'd trade Scottie for any of Scoot, Miller, or Walker at this point if we're keeping Pascal and Yak and OG. He doesn't fit unless he adds shooting.

Was agreeing with this post, then nearly fell out of my chair reading the last part! Scottie for Scoot, absolutely. Scoot has the earmarks of is a bonafide superstar. For the other two, not even close for me (and I say this as a huge Jarace fan). Do you really see Jarace and Miller as primary options?

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How's the Sidy Cissoko kid been? Haven't heard much about him since the beginning of this thread...

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How's the Sidy Cissoko kid been? Haven't heard much about him since the beginning of this thread...

His stats indicate he's doing so-so in the GLeague so others have leap-frogged him in mocks.

[Rapsfan07]

This is a draft to buy 2nd round picks. Plenty of cheap owners out there and teams with overflowing rosters. It's available to Raps to be aggressive in this area for once.

We should absolutely be buying at least one second rounder, if not two.

[Rapsfan07]

cason wallace is the exact player we should be targeting and he should be available around where we're likely to pick.

He'll probably go earlier.

I'm shifting to guys like Rayan Rupert, Leonard Miller, Colby Jones toolsy types.

Yeah, I think we'll have to start thinking about this tier as well. I don't think Wallace falls out of the lottery, especially in a first round that has so little by way of PG depth.

Love Jones, love Hood-Schifino, if Maxwell Lewis is available down there, I'd take him in a heartbeat as well.

[Rapsfan07]

We're going to win enough to make the playoffs or close to it with Jak. We need to start looking at guys in the 12-16 range. On Tankathon that's currently Jett Howard, Anthony Black, Brice Sensabaugh, Dariq Whitehead, and Kyle Filipowski.

I wouldn't mind taking Jett Howard one bit. Do a sign and trade with Fred for a guy like Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs, then start Scottie at the point with Jett beside him. That's a backcourt with two 6'8" guys. Let OG run at the 3, Pascal at the 4, and Jak at the 5. With Precious and GTJ off the bench. Just solidify the bench with a couple of guys and you're back in the 3-4 seed conversation.

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If we actually end up with Jett, I think I'm going to cry. I would take him without hesitation in the late lotto. He has a very good chance at being special, IMO.

[Karanpal]

I'm actually more excited for the players in the 15-20 range. So far liking Colby Jones, Kris Murray, Taylor Hendricks and Jordan Hawkins.

[Mark_83]

I guess Black is putting up poor numbers but people think he can shoot better. He relies too much on his athleticism, if he gets hurt he's going to be affected a lot.

Black has impressive athleticism and feel, but most of his buckets are off the fast break or steals. His half court scoring basically consists of baseline drives off the pick and roll. I don't know how he and Scottie would play together tbh. Both need the ball in their hands and then there's Pascal. This is going to sound like blasphemy but I'd trade Scottie for any of Scoot, Miller, or Walker at this point if we're keeping Pascal and Yak and OG. He doesn't fit unless he adds shooting.

Was agreeing with this post, then nearly fell out of my chair reading the last part! Scottie for Scoot, absolutely. Scoot has the earmarks of is a bonafide superstar. For the other two, not even close for me (and I say this as a huge Jarace fan). Do you really see Jarace and Miller as primary options?

Keep in mind that was a conditional statement. If X then Y. I would rather the team move Pascal and put Scottie at the 4, where his lack of shooting would be muted.

If the team is going to build the roster around Pascal and assuming we keep Yak then we need shooters.

Also keep in mind nobody wanted us to pick Scottie. Few people had him ranked in their top 5 that year. I was one of the handful of people who wanted him at our pick and thought he would be a good player. Scoot is actually the guy out of that group I'd be most hesitant to move him for (but I'm the low guy on Scoot). Not that I don't think he'll be a good player or put up numbers, but we've seen this archetype before, and teams with players like that as their centerpiece have a ceiling. Miller and Walker are different types of players from Scottie, but imo they're every bit as talented as Scottie was in his draft year.

Not saying its the same situation, but I remember the year I was saying we should trade Jonas (who was highly regarded at the time) for one of the top picks in the draft to take Embiid. People were lambasting me, and calling me an idiot. But Embiid looked special and in retrospect I would have been right. Let me see if I can find that thread for receipts.

Again, not saying either of those players are going to eclipse Scottie like Embiid did Jonas, but in my opinion they can be at least as good and have a better skillset fit with our roster.

Do I see Miller or Jarace as primary options? Miller, yes. Jarace, not really. But Scottie is not a primary option either. Especially with Pascal around, which causes him to defer and be passive early in games.

I guess my problem is I don't really get attached to players. Even ones I pushed and wanted us to draft initially.

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I'm actually more excited for the players in the 15-20 range. So far liking Colby Jones, Kris Murray, Taylor Hendricks and Jordan Hawkins.

Talyor should be moving into the lotto, same for Murray.

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Black has impressive athleticism and feel, but most of his buckets are off the fast break or steals. His half court scoring basically consists of baseline drives off the pick and roll. I don't know how he and Scottie would play together tbh. Both need the ball in their hands and then there's Pascal. This is going to sound like blasphemy but I'd trade Scottie for any of Scoot, Miller, or Walker at this point if we're keeping Pascal and Yak and OG. He doesn't fit unless he adds shooting.

Was agreeing with this post, then nearly fell out of my chair reading the last part! Scottie for Scoot, absolutely. Scoot has the earmarks of is a bonafide superstar. For the other two, not even close for me (and I say this as a huge Jarace fan). Do you really see Jarace and Miller as primary options?

Keep in mind that was a conditional statement. If X then Y. I would rather the team move Pascal and put Scottie at the 4, where his lack of shooting would be muted.

If the team is going to build the roster around Pascal and assuming we keep Yak then we need shooters.

Also keep in mind nobody wanted us to pick Scottie. Few people had him ranked in their top 5 that year. I was one of the handful of people who wanted him at our pick and thought he would be a good player. Scoot is actually the guy out of that group I'd be most hesitant to move him for (but I'm the low guy on Scoot). Not that I don't think he'll be a good player or put up numbers, but we've seen this archetype before, and teams with players like that as their centerpiece have a ceiling. Miller and Walker are different types of players from Scottie, but imo they're every bit as talented as Scottie was in his draft year.

Not saying its the same situation, but I remember the year I was saying we should trade Jonas (who was highly regarded at the time) for one of the top picks in the draft to take Embiid. People were lambasting me, and calling me an idiot. But Embiid looked special and in retrospect I would have been right. Let me see if I can find that thread for receipts.

Again, not saying either of those players are going to eclipse Scottie like Embiid did Jonas, but in my opinion they can be at least as good and have a better skillset fit with our roster.

Do I see Miller or Jarace as primary options? Miller, yes. Jarace, not really. But Scottie is not a primary option either. Especially with Pascal around, which causes him to defer and be passive early in games.

I guess my problem is I don't really get attached to players. Even ones I pushed and wanted us to draft initially.

Can't say I agree (Scottie processes the game at a completely different level than those two, and has the tools to get there), but I respect the strong opinion and calling your shot like that. I'll be keeping track. Who knows, perhaps you're a visionary lol!

Also, I would not have been one upset with moving JV for Embiid. Was never the biggest JV fan, and Embiid was clearly the best player that year IMO. Can't imagine Philly would have ever considered that. I was dumbfounded when the Bucks took Parker, even with Embiid's injury.