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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2 

Post#1761 » by mtcan » Wed Apr 3, 2024 1:58 am

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Thaddy wrote:There's a video of Mobley doing a back flip at a beach at the same age. Sarr can't do that lol. There's a clear distinction between them fluidity and athletically. It's criminal to compare these two. Sarr is going to be the biggest no. 1 pick bust since Bargnani.

To be fair...we don't know if Sarr can or cannot. :lol: :lol:

And no...that isn't a metric by which you compare someone's athleticism. But I get it...you're not a Sarr fan. Point taken. Doesn't necessarily mean he isn't still comparable to Mobley though.


I actually think it’s a fair comparison. In fact I give the edge to Sarr in terms of ceiling going into their respective drafts. Here’s why:


Physical dimensions edge to Sarr

Mobley is 6’11 and 215lbs according to espn. All the draft reports had his wingspan at 7’4. His standing reach is reported to be 9’0.

Sarr is 7’1 and 215. His wingspan is reported to be 7’5. Standing reach is 9’3.


Age edge goes to Sarr

Mobley was born June 18, 2001 meaning on draft night he was 20 years old. He competed in college as a 19 year old freshman against other college age athletes.

Sarr was born April 26, 2005 and he’ll be 19 on draft night. He competed as an 18 year old rookie in a professional league against grown men.


Eye test athleticism (extremely subjective) edge goes to Sarr.

To be fair, this is like trying to compare a Ferrari and a Lamborghini. Both are elite athletes with insane speed, agility, coordination, and leaping ability in 6’11 and 7’1 frames. Comparing their freshman and NBL season highlights, I see Sarr being a faster and more fluid athlete.






When looking at their play, they are pretty similar but there are some subtle differences. Mid range and 3 are pretty similar. Mobley has an advantage in the post and passing imo while Sarr has a much better handle and ability to use the dribble.


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Tough to compare stats across leagues and roles. Mobley was a top recruit freshman starting and playing 33 games and 1120 minutes (33.9mpg). Sarr was a top recruit for the Shooting Stars program (typically a one and done program) however it’s a little different as a French man playing in an Australian pro league with men. Sarr played 30 games and 540 minutes (18.0mpg).

Mobley
17.4pts, 9.2reb, 2.5ast, 0.8stl, 3.1blk, 2.3to
58/30/69% on 11/1.2/6.2 attempts (61.5% 2fg)
29.4 PER, .624 ts%, .595 eFG%, 9.6 ORB%, 18.9 DRB%, 14.9 TRB%, 14.1 AST%, 1.4 STL%, 8.8 BLK%, 14.6 TO%, 22.8 USG

Sarr
19.2pts, 9.0rebs, 2.1ast, 0.9stl, 3.1blk, 2.1to
50/28/71% on 14.3/3.9/5.5 attempts (58.5% on 2fg)
21.0 PER, .576 ts%, .537 eFG%, 8.8 ORB%, 18.2 DRB%, 13.4 TRB%, 9.5 AST%, 1.2 STL%, 8.0 BLK%, 11.0 TO%, 21.9 USG


Not included in these stats are the games vs the Ignite that resulted in #1 hype throughout the fall. Just a reminder what he did with NBA spacing, minutes, and opportunity: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/9/20/23881605/2024-nba-draft-alex-sarr-breakout-prospect


So to wrap it up, entering the NBA I’m giving the edge to Sarr over Mobley.

Mobley might have better defensive instincts than Sarr but as the point was made...Sarr would be drafted at 19 and Mobley at 20. Rewatching him dominate Ron Holland and Matas Buzelis back in the fall...Sarr might be bouncier than Mobley.

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Post#1762 » by Psubs » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:12 am

mtcan wrote:Mobley might have better defensive instincts than Sarr but as the point was made...Sarr would be drafted at 19 and Mobley at 20. Rewatching him dominate Ron Holland and Matas Buzelis back in the fall...Sarr might be bouncier than Mobley.



I guess Sarr could be KG 2.0. Very quick. Though maybe he's Chet that doesn't shoot as well.
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Post#1763 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:39 am

I just haven’t even opened my mind to Sarr because unless we win the lottery, I don’t see any chance of him falling all the way to 6th. Heck I barely even give Risacher to be available unless we move up.

So with all of that said, Buzelis right now is pretty easily my favourite “realistic” pick (personally I’m a bit doubtful he slides past POR) then it would be one of Holland or Williams. I just think he presents the highest upside and at the height of his potential a world where I could see him & Scottie being one of the top wing duos in the Conference…plus we’d still have IQ, RJ, Gradey and whatever other players we draft.

Personally I’d take either Saluan or Ware with the IND pick then one of Yang or Chomche and I’d actually be pretty damn excited for next season (and beyond).
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Post#1765 » by billy_hoyle » Wed Apr 3, 2024 4:33 am

PhilBlackson wrote:I just haven’t even opened my mind to Sarr because unless we win the lottery, I don’t see any chance of him falling all the way to 6th. Heck I barely even give Risacher to be available unless we move up.

So with all of that said, Buzelis right now is pretty easily my favourite “realistic” pick (personally I’m a bit doubtful he slides past POR) then it would be one of Holland or Williams. I just think he presents the highest upside and at the height of his potential a world where I could see him & Scottie being one of the top wing duos in the Conference…plus we’d still have IQ, RJ, Gradey and whatever other players we draft.

Personally I’d take either Saluan or Ware with the IND pick then one of Yang or Chomche and I’d actually be pretty damn excited for next season (and beyond).


Our chance of winning the draft is only 5% less than Detroit. We have a 9% chance to win the draft, and an 18% chance to hit top two. That's decent, and not that much worse than any team.
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Post#1766 » by ArthurVandelay » Wed Apr 3, 2024 11:20 am

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mtcan wrote:To be fair...we don't know if Sarr can or cannot. :lol: :lol:

And no...that isn't a metric by which you compare someone's athleticism. But I get it...you're not a Sarr fan. Point taken. Doesn't necessarily mean he isn't still comparable to Mobley though.


I actually think it’s a fair comparison. In fact I give the edge to Sarr in terms of ceiling going into their respective drafts. Here’s why:


Physical dimensions edge to Sarr

Mobley is 6’11 and 215lbs according to espn. All the draft reports had his wingspan at 7’4. His standing reach is reported to be 9’0.

Sarr is 7’1 and 215. His wingspan is reported to be 7’5. Standing reach is 9’3.


Age edge goes to Sarr

Mobley was born June 18, 2001 meaning on draft night he was 20 years old. He competed in college as a 19 year old freshman against other college age athletes.

Sarr was born April 26, 2005 and he’ll be 19 on draft night. He competed as an 18 year old rookie in a professional league against grown men.


Eye test athleticism (extremely subjective) edge goes to Sarr.

To be fair, this is like trying to compare a Ferrari and a Lamborghini. Both are elite athletes with insane speed, agility, coordination, and leaping ability in 6’11 and 7’1 frames. Comparing their freshman and NBL season highlights, I see Sarr being a faster and more fluid athlete.






When looking at their play, they are pretty similar but there are some subtle differences. Mid range and 3 are pretty similar. Mobley has an advantage in the post and passing imo while Sarr has a much better handle and ability to use the dribble.


Per36

Tough to compare stats across leagues and roles. Mobley was a top recruit freshman starting and playing 33 games and 1120 minutes (33.9mpg). Sarr was a top recruit for the Shooting Stars program (typically a one and done program) however it’s a little different as a French man playing in an Australian pro league with men. Sarr played 30 games and 540 minutes (18.0mpg).

Mobley
17.4pts, 9.2reb, 2.5ast, 0.8stl, 3.1blk, 2.3to
58/30/69% on 11/1.2/6.2 attempts (61.5% 2fg)
29.4 PER, .624 ts%, .595 eFG%, 9.6 ORB%, 18.9 DRB%, 14.9 TRB%, 14.1 AST%, 1.4 STL%, 8.8 BLK%, 14.6 TO%, 22.8 USG

Sarr
19.2pts, 9.0rebs, 2.1ast, 0.9stl, 3.1blk, 2.1to
50/28/71% on 14.3/3.9/5.5 attempts (58.5% on 2fg)
21.0 PER, .576 ts%, .537 eFG%, 8.8 ORB%, 18.2 DRB%, 13.4 TRB%, 9.5 AST%, 1.2 STL%, 8.0 BLK%, 11.0 TO%, 21.9 USG


Not included in these stats are the games vs the Ignite that resulted in #1 hype throughout the fall. Just a reminder what he did with NBA spacing, minutes, and opportunity: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/9/20/23881605/2024-nba-draft-alex-sarr-breakout-prospect


So to wrap it up, entering the NBA I’m giving the edge to Sarr over Mobley.

Mobley might have better defensive instincts than Sarr but as the point was made...Sarr would be drafted at 19 and Mobley at 20. Rewatching him dominate Ron Holland and Matas Buzelis back in the fall...Sarr might be bouncier than Mobley.



Just watched this this morning. I think this is a very fair assessment. Shades of Mobley and, depending on how his shot plays out, Claxton/JJJr.

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Post#1767 » by Smalltown » Wed Apr 3, 2024 12:43 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:I just haven’t even opened my mind to Sarr because unless we win the lottery, I don’t see any chance of him falling all the way to 6th. Heck I barely even give Risacher to be available unless we move up.


Ya, he's not dropping past 4. Sarr is so highly ranked because his floor is higher than most in this draft. He's the closest thing to a "sure thing" NBA player in the draft. Worst case he projects as a rim-running rotation big. But as other's have stated there are shades of Mobley and Claxton in his game.
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Post#1768 » by Syd-TK3 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 2:46 pm

I like Risacher cause I feel like from a fit perspective he's perfect but he's been very mediocre lately.
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Post#1769 » by MEDIC » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:02 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:I just haven’t even opened my mind to Sarr because unless we win the lottery, I don’t see any chance of him falling all the way to 6th. Heck I barely even give Risacher to be available unless we move up.

So with all of that said, Buzelis right now is pretty easily my favourite “realistic” pick (personally I’m a bit doubtful he slides past POR) then it would be one of Holland or Williams. I just think he presents the highest upside and at the height of his potential a world where I could see him & Scottie being one of the top wing duos in the Conference…plus we’d still have IQ, RJ, Gradey and whatever other players we draft.

Personally I’d take either Saluan or Ware with the IND pick then one of Yang or Chomche and I’d actually be pretty damn excited for next season (and beyond).


I am with you on Buzelis......if the pick stays at 6 & nobody better falls. His length & athleticism/coordination is too good to pass on.

I really like Sarr & Risacher. If you have an opportunity to draft one of those 2, you do it. After that, you are kind of looking at future potential and/ or fit on your roster.

Topic is interesting as well. If he shows well in workouts, his draft stock will rise to top 4-5. If not, he may even fall out of the lottery.

Dillingham, Clingan, Knecth & Sheppard all look to be solid picks as well. I'd be surprised if any of these 4 drop out of the top 10.
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Post#1771 » by manjusaka » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:30 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:I just haven’t even opened my mind to Sarr because unless we win the lottery, I don’t see any chance of him falling all the way to 6th. Heck I barely even give Risacher to be available unless we move up.

So with all of that said, Buzelis right now is pretty easily my favourite “realistic” pick (personally I’m a bit doubtful he slides past POR) then it would be one of Holland or Williams. I just think he presents the highest upside and at the height of his potential a world where I could see him & Scottie being one of the top wing duos in the Conference…plus we’d still have IQ, RJ, Gradey and whatever other players we draft.

Personally I’d take either Saluan or Ware with the IND pick then one of Yang or Chomche and I’d actually be pretty damn excited for next season (and beyond).


I am with you on Buzelis......if the pick stays at 6 & nobody better falls. His length & athleticism/coordination is too good to pass on.

I really like Sarr & Risacher. If you have an opportunity to draft one of those 2, you do it. After that, you are kind of looking at future potential and/ or fit on your roster.

Topic is interesting as well. If he shows well in workouts, his draft stock will rise to top 4-5. If not, he may even fall out of the lottery.

Dillingham, Clingan, Knecth & Sheppard all look to be solid picks as well. I'd be surprised if any of these 4 drop out of the top 10.



Needs to win the lottery for the French duo.

If we stayed at 6th, wouldn’t mind picking one of Buzelis, Topic, Williams, Holland, and Clingan.

It’s really hard to predict who will be available at the Pacers pick. But I like Devin Carter and da Silva.

Ryan Dunn or Chomche for the Pistons’s pick will be great.
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Post#1772 » by niQ » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:30 pm

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft (updated)

6. Stephon Castle
17. Yves Missi
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Post#1773 » by mihaic » Wed Apr 3, 2024 4:40 pm

I think even picking 6th there is still a chance to pick an interesting prospect.

In no particular order:
Buzelis Sarr Risacher Topic
Cody Williams, Castle, Holland, Reed, Clingan.

One of these 9 guys may even fall to 17, like Houston's pick Whitmore last draft, where there's also a possibility Edey falls.
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Post#1774 » by mihaic » Wed Apr 3, 2024 4:42 pm

Is there any chance to get Durisic at 31?
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Post#1775 » by God Squad » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:20 pm

niQ wrote:https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft (updated)

6. Stephon Castle
17. Yves Missi
31. Jaylon Tyson

Every time I tried to watch Missi, he looked awful. Almost like he just floats around out there. Probably one of the few names I see, that I hope we 'DON'T" draft. If we're going big, he isn't the one who'd be at the top of my list at the 17th pick.
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Post#1776 » by tdotrep2 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:24 pm

I can't take any draft projections seriously when it comes to who we are going to pick, especially considering this draft is the most unpredictable draft in recent memory.
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Post#1777 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 6:08 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:I just haven’t even opened my mind to Sarr because unless we win the lottery, I don’t see any chance of him falling all the way to 6th. Heck I barely even give Risacher to be available unless we move up.

So with all of that said, Buzelis right now is pretty easily my favourite “realistic” pick (personally I’m a bit doubtful he slides past POR) then it would be one of Holland or Williams. I just think he presents the highest upside and at the height of his potential a world where I could see him & Scottie being one of the top wing duos in the Conference…plus we’d still have IQ, RJ, Gradey and whatever other players we draft.

Personally I’d take either Saluan or Ware with the IND pick then one of Yang or Chomche and I’d actually be pretty damn excited for next season (and beyond).


I'm in the same boat with you

Tier 1 Risharcher & Sarr
Tier 2 Williams Holland Buzelis
I'm not sure how to rank these 3, I think I have it in that order tho

With the Pacers pick, I'm with you as well. Gimmie Salaun or Ware.

I haven't done a deep dive at 31 yet, Bobbi Klintman looks cool too
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Post#1778 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 6:14 pm

I watched the McDonald's game last night and I came away very unimpressed. Flagg wasn't all the impressive from the moments I tuned in. It was that Jackson kid who took over late & the ball kept finding him in the clutch.
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Post#1779 » by TNRaps4life » Wed Apr 3, 2024 6:39 pm

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Post#1780 » by Psubs » Wed Apr 3, 2024 6:49 pm

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Yessssssssssss!

Tristan DaSilva at #17 and give Carrington's agent a promise to take him at #31 an do a 3 year deal. Actually better for him to get paid 1 year earlier.

Actually with the 2nd round having it' own day, should allow players to stay in the draft and if not selected in the 1st round, they are allowed to pull out by midnight of Day 1. :reporter:

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SG Dick - BBrown? - Ochai
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