Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[Ell Curry]

I think it's horrendous to even want this to happen and would not be more likely to result in a more successful rebuild than the one we are currently on.

The Raptors could draft 12th this year and they will still likely be better than a 41-41 team in 2-3 years. They are about to be above .500 when Barnes is healthy this very season after tonight.

The future of this franchise might be easier/more cleanly reached, if they get a top 5 pick this year instead of picking like 8-14 range.

But to insinuate that the rebuild will probably fail if they don't get a top 5 pick this season is obnoxiously likely to be incorrect.

It's not this binary. We need to get a 2nd all-star level player to pair with Barnes, but that's not assured with a top 5 pick this year, and we could also get one in the low teens (Mitchell, Booker, Haliburton, SGA, Adebayo, lots of examples in the last 10 years, it's not drafting Jokic at 42 rare or anything), or hit on one next year with our pick or the Pacers pick.

We can be a very good regular season team with Barnes and lots of solid players around him, but it's a pretty narrow window to a legit championship contender around Barnes with no other all-stars.

Might be able to trade for one like Cleveland did, too, obviously hitting some doubles in the draft and trades makes that easier as part of package with picks. Agbaji playing this well if he's at say 13M a year, an expiring Barrett, a good rookie or 2nd year player from this upcoming draft or the next/Walter and a bunch of 1sts might fetch an all-star in 2 years.

[Raps in 4]

[Raps in 4]

This isnt a proper rebuild.... May be Masai thinks highly of 5-10.

Khaman Maluach?

It is, it just came too late. We should have traded our vets two years ago. We're now starting our rebuild when our young core is entering their prime.

[Raptors_128]

Pacers are ass.

Raps need to start selling.

[Shwaguy]

I think it's horrendous to even want this to happen and would not be more likely to result in a more successful rebuild than the one we are currently on.

The Raptors could draft 12th this year and they will still likely be better than a 41-41 team in 2-3 years. They are about to be above .500 when Barnes is healthy this very season after tonight.

The future of this franchise might be easier/more cleanly reached, if they get a top 5 pick this year instead of picking like 8-14 range.

But to insinuate that the rebuild will probably fail if they don't get a top 5 pick this season is obnoxiously likely to be incorrect.

It's not this binary. We need to get a 2nd all-star level player to pair with Barnes, but that's not assured with a top 5 pick this year, and we could also get one in the low teens (Mitchell, Booker, Haliburton, SGA, Adebayo, lots of examples in the last 10 years, it's not drafting Jokic at 42 rare or anything), or hit on one next year with our pick or the Pacers pick.

We can be a very good regular season team with Barnes and lots of solid players around him, but it's a pretty narrow window to a legit championship contender around Barnes with no other all-stars.

Might be able to trade for one like Cleveland did, too, obviously hitting some doubles in the draft and trades makes that easier as part of package with picks. Agbaji playing this well if he's at say 13M a year, an expiring Barrett, a good rookie or 2nd year player from this upcoming draft or the next/Walter and a bunch of 1sts might fetch an all-star in 2 years.

Just keep drafting well and doing a good job of asset accumulation. If you don't hit in the draft for a 2nd star, and someone like Gradey doesn't develop into that either. As long as you are hitting on your picks and doing a good job of asset management you position yourself to trade for a star if you need one. Just keep hitting on good young players like we have been.

Good front offices don't leave becoming a contending team up to chance, they position themselves as well as possible to make that happen eventually, the chance only through in the method that it occurs.

[PhilBlackson]

[Vampirate]

Let's beat an actual good team before we talk.

[PhilBlackson]

Let's beat an actual good team before we talk.

All we've been doing is playing good teams lol and doing so short handed...

Yet in every game and now as we're starting to get healthier, WINNING more games and that will only continue to increase as we get healthier and the schedule continues to soften up/the real tank teams put it in overdrive to the bottom.

[AbC?]

Trade Poeltl, end the madness.

[Vampirate]

Let's beat an actual good team before we talk.

All we've been doing is playing good teams lol and doing so short handed...

Yet in every game and now as we're starting to get healthier, WINNING more games and that will only continue to increase as we get healthier and the schedule continues to soften up/the real tank teams put it in overdrive to the bottom.

This is a conflicting feeling, because well our odds are worsening, but on the other hand, Barnes is pretty much the reason why the season is turning around.

We had Gradey, RJ and Poetl all playing well and were still losing.

I absolutely want Barnes to keep this up, but it comes with a price.

Same issue with Wemby in SA honestly (though to a much bigger extent).

The Spurs are not going to be in the lottery just because of 1 guy.

[raptorforlife88]

It is obviously disappointing if this young team with a good amount of talent isn't able to add a potentially excellent prospect through the draft this year. But if the reason for that is because Scottie is taking a leap, then I think that should lessen the disappointment a bit at least.

[Coco Costanza]

Let's beat an actual good team before we talk.

All we've been doing is playing good teams lol and doing so short handed...

Yet in every game and now as we're starting to get healthier, WINNING more games and that will only continue to increase as we get healthier and the schedule continues to soften up/the real tank teams put it in overdrive to the bottom.

I think re-introducing Quickley, Dick, Olynk and Brown might spoil the team's chemistry. Particularly with how rusty these guys will be. And I don't see this schedule softening up any time soon.

[Vampirate]

Let's beat an actual good team before we talk.

All we've been doing is playing good teams lol and doing so short handed...

Yet in every game and now as we're starting to get healthier, WINNING more games and that will only continue to increase as we get healthier and the schedule continues to soften up/the real tank teams put it in overdrive to the bottom.

Miami, Indiana aren't good.

The wolves have their own issues.

We've been beating the mid teams, not the actually good teams.

Our next opponent is OKC, that'll be a real test to see where the team is at.

[PhilBlackson]

Let's beat an actual good team before we talk.

All we've been doing is playing good teams lol and doing so short handed...

Yet in every game and now as we're starting to get healthier, WINNING more games and that will only continue to increase as we get healthier and the schedule continues to soften up/the real tank teams put it in overdrive to the bottom.

This is a conflicting feeling, because well our odds are worsening, but on the other hand, Barnes is pretty much the reason why the season is turning around.

We had Gradey, RJ and Poetl all playing well and were still losing.

I absolutely want Barnes to keep this up, but it comes with a price.

Same issue with Wemby in SA honestly (though to a much bigger extent).

The Spurs are not going to be in the lottery just because of 1 guy.

Personally I have no conflicting feelings...I can already see that this is gonna be a "good" team and by next year I'm 100% confident we're making the Playoffs and if I were to guess we'll be in the 5-7th range and unless we get another top 10 pick/prospect. As is we'll project to be a fun but ultimately middle of the pack team. So I don't need to continue to see what I already know.

If there's a team that wants Poeltl with even a half decent offer, I move him yesterday.

That is THE only way this team is going to remain in the top 10 (without serious injury of course to either of Scottie or Yak - our 2 most important pieces/glue of that makes it all work). I could care less about "seeing it" this year, we'll get to see it for the next damn near decade lol. How our FO plays their hand THIS season will largely dictate if this team will be a real contender or just an entertaining pretender, without a top 10 or fantastic luck of someone falling, we project to be the later of the 2 options.

[DelAbbot]

You two need to grow a pair

[DelAbbot]

It is obviously disappointing if this young team with a good amount of talent isn't able to add a potentially excellent prospect through the draft this year. But if the reason for that is because Scottie is taking a leap, then I think that should lessen the disappointment a bit at least.

He could take a leap without Poeltl, I bet we'd lose more after trading away Poeltl who won't be here for the future playoff years

[PhilBlackson]

You two need to grow a pair

I think that comment is ironic at best and you should use your other "pair" as well (as in your eyes)...

So that you can start accepting the cold hard truth. It's only gonna become more apparent when we bring all our shooting back with Gradey, IQ & Olynk back PLUS a softer schedule.

[DelAbbot]

That is THE only way this team is going to remain in the top 10 (without serious injury of course to either of Scottie or Yak - our 2 most important pieces/glue of that makes it all work). I could care less about "seeing it" this year, we'll get to see it for the next damn near decade lol. How our FO plays their hand THIS season will largely dictate if this team will be a real contender or just an entertaining pretender, without a top 10 or fantastic luck of someone falling, we project to be the later of the 2 options.

Agreed, something is wrong with those posters saying "I just want to see this team fully healthy". We can see them fully healthy next season so gtfoh with that

[S.W.A.N]

Lol you still think this team is winning 30+ games?

Yup. I'd be shocked if they didn't (minus major trades or a Yak injury)

So we've gone 5-14 to start the year, and you expect us to play at minimum 26-36, which is a .426 win rate. We barely managed that win rate over a full season with a very healthy lineup of FVV/OG/Scottie/Siakam, but you think this lineup can manage it?

I applaud the optimism, but you might want to take a gander at the schedule for rest of the year.

Still questioning my math?

[alienchild]

That is THE only way this team is going to remain in the top 10 (without serious injury of course to either of Scottie or Yak - our 2 most important pieces/glue of that makes it all work). I could care less about "seeing it" this year, we'll get to see it for the next damn near decade lol. How our FO plays their hand THIS season will largely dictate if this team will be a real contender or just an entertaining pretender, without a top 10 or fantastic luck of someone falling, we project to be the later of the 2 options.

Agreed, something is wrong with those posters saying "I just want to see this team fully healthy". We can see them fully healthy next season so gtfoh with that

Pretty sure they made a movie about you two.