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2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1761 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 13, 2025 5:52 pm

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9. Toronto Raptors: Khaman Maluach, C, Duke
Maluach is a towering rim protector with switchable mobility, erasing shots at the rim and shadowing quick guards on the perimeter. In the long term he could be the anchor of the Raptors' defense. But beyond dunking lobs, he’s a work in progress on offense with a lack of seasoning as a screener, shooter and creator. He also grabbed zero rebounds in his final game at Duke. Such a raw skill set should come as no surprise since the South Sudan native didn’t start playing basketball until he was 13. Patience could pay off for the Raptors though.

10. Houston Rockets (via Phoenix): Kasparas Jakučionis, G, Illinois
Jakučionis is a slick shot-creator with a creative passing gene and a fearless scoring ability, carving up defenses with crafty finishes, step-back jumpers and jaw-dropping passes. But as a freshman he’d follow up those highlights with turnover brain-farts that derail the hype train. The Rockets have so many different shot creators that he could lean into his strengths as a shooter and develop his point skills in a minimized role. But they don’t have the guy, so there’d certainly be pressure on KJ to become the offensive engine.


I think under Darko you can work with Jak
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1762 » by PushDaRock » Tue May 13, 2025 5:53 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
ciueli wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
Teams that are picking do not think with this kind of Logic when picking players on potential in the top parts of the draft....If you like a player in your range and they are available you take them no matter "Fit" or who you have on your team....These teams picking in the 5-6-7-8 area are not good enough to pick players based on needs or fits....Its to get the best player with the highest upside....And Khaman just like Masai would have taken him over a few players in that range....Other teams will as well....


So from your perspective Maluach is BPA for a team above us, but not for us at pick 9? Do I have that right? I'm not sure how both things can be true. In any case, Wizards aside, I definitely expect some teams to factor in team need for who they draft, there are lots of teams that draft for need and not just BPA. The Wizards will draft BPA, but I don't see that being Maluach at 6.


Teams will always lean on better fit if they view the players as in the same tier. Masai just admitted this below
From three to about 12, it's who you like or how you like it. So we'll figure out how we like it and how to manoeuvre.”

and I don't think this is just smoke or anything and it kind of goes with what we've been saying so far in this draft. that next tier after the top guys is all bunched up and it will be on preference.


Interesting that Masai views this the same as a lot of us do, very similar talent level across the board through these picks.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1763 » by Psubs » Tue May 13, 2025 5:54 pm

XTC wrote:Tre Johnson is a top 3 player in this draft.

He was a bucket in college, measured out well, his combine athletic testing has been fantastic so far.

Hes got a handle, he's got size, he's a natural scorer, and he's athletic. Kid is going to be up there with Devin Booker and Donovan Mitchell in a couple years.


It would've been fine if the league gave Dallas the #3 pick instead of being so obvious. Then they draft the Garland, Texas native.

Could the Spurs just draft Tre Johnson at #2? Harper's A/T is only 1.67 and Tre's is 1.5. Tre's shooting is vastly superior. The Spurs can't have Fox, Harper and Castle all shooting mediocre from 3.

Fox - Tre - Castle and trade Vassell?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1764 » by PushDaRock » Tue May 13, 2025 5:55 pm

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effortless shot


Gary Trent Jresque


Watch the games....he plays nothing like GTJR....GTJR basketball IQ and consistency is at an all time low....This guy has both Basketball IQ and he is very consistant...2 diff players not even a good comp...


I see some similarities between them but I'm only comparing their shooting forms here
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1765 » by Psubs » Tue May 13, 2025 5:56 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:KOC
9. Toronto Raptors: Khaman Maluach, C, Duke
Maluach is a towering rim protector with switchable mobility, erasing shots at the rim and shadowing quick guards on the perimeter. In the long term he could be the anchor of the Raptors' defense. But beyond dunking lobs, he’s a work in progress on offense with a lack of seasoning as a screener, shooter and creator. He also grabbed zero rebounds in his final game at Duke. Such a raw skill set should come as no surprise since the South Sudan native didn’t start playing basketball until he was 13. Patience could pay off for the Raptors though.

10. Houston Rockets (via Phoenix): Kasparas Jakučionis, G, Illinois
Jakučionis is a slick shot-creator with a creative passing gene and a fearless scoring ability, carving up defenses with crafty finishes, step-back jumpers and jaw-dropping passes. But as a freshman he’d follow up those highlights with turnover brain-farts that derail the hype train. The Rockets have so many different shot creators that he could lean into his strengths as a shooter and develop his point skills in a minimized role. But they don’t have the guy, so there’d certainly be pressure on KJ to become the offensive engine.


I think under Darko you can work with Jak


He couldn't get by people against better defenses. He looks good in the PnR but 1 on 1 isn't good at getting by people. I don't think Darko can help there. I don't think Jak would take minutes from Ja'Kobe.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1766 » by ballchique » Tue May 13, 2025 5:57 pm

I want Carter Bryant. (Since my fave Tre Johnson won't be available)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1767 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 13, 2025 5:57 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
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So from your perspective Maluach is BPA for a team above us, but not for us at pick 9? Do I have that right? I'm not sure how both things can be true. In any case, Wizards aside, I definitely expect some teams to factor in team need for who they draft, there are lots of teams that draft for need and not just BPA. The Wizards will draft BPA, but I don't see that being Maluach at 6.


Teams will always lean on better fit if they view the players as in the same tier. Masai just admitted this below
From three to about 12, it's who you like or how you like it. So we'll figure out how we like it and how to manoeuvre.”

and I don't think this is just smoke or anything and it kind of goes with what we've been saying so far in this draft. that next tier after the top guys is all bunched up and it will be on preference.


Interesting that Masai views this the same as a lot of us do, very similar talent level across the board through these picks.


Yup.

9 is a good spot after being hit last night in the nose. You can take whoever falls to you from the consensus - say Queen / KM / Jak ... or you choose from the front for guys like Bryant, Noa, Fleming
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1768 » by Clutch0z24 » Tue May 13, 2025 6:00 pm

ciueli wrote:
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So from your perspective Maluach is BPA for a team above us, but not for us at pick 9? Do I have that right? I'm not sure how both things can be true. In any case, Wizards aside, I definitely expect some teams to factor in team need for who they draft, there are lots of teams that draft for need and not just BPA. The Wizards will draft BPA, but I don't see that being Maluach at 6.


I never said that....If Maluach ends up to you at 9 you take him as well....At 7 it would be a little rich for my liking personally but if he is the one to fall to you at 9 you take it....I just have my doubts he is going to be there....Again you might be thinking of this with a bias hat on because you want Maluach to be a Raptor really badly....Think of it from a logical perspective....The potential will be too high for teams to pass up on him even if he becomes a bust or does not reach his ceiling....Teams are still going to take the chance on him....Again teams this high in the lotto pick the highest potential picks....And Khaman outside of the top 5 has one of the highest upside if it hits....These teams are not good enough to make a pick based on what they need if there is a player at a position they don't need but they are blown away by.


Ah, no, I believe you are the one with the bias hat on because any time I talk about Maluach you are against him, but then suddenly when it comes to teams above us he is BPA and because all teams draft BPA (or something) and he won't be there for us, I think you just want us to draft anyone other than Maluach. I am only speculating about us taking Maluach because I have learned from past experience that Masai will take who he likes and not who I like and he absolutely loves his guys with long arms and there is the personal connection as well, it doesn't hurt that our team is really undersized and we don't have a single player who is above 6'8" and a credible NBA player outside Jak with no tax flexibility to add anyone of note in free agency. Writing is on the wall, Masai is taking him if he's there and I don't see a compelling argument that he won't be there. Draft is random and all that, could be a team who grabs him before us but I don't see an obvious one at the moment.


I am not as high on Maluach as you or the others that are really high on him due to his offensive rawness, And if we were to stay at 7 or move up in the top 4 i would have not taken Maluach like some of us wanted to do......But if you go back and look at my posts i always said if we fall to 8th and all the players i like are off the board you take Maluach due to him having the highest potential left...I always had Maluach in my top 8....

Now that we fell to 9th i highly doubt he is on the board that low due to his potential....I have no Bias because i like Maluach more than Kon...And i personally believe it will be either Kon or Queen that fall to 9th for us....If its Maluach though awesome....But i think the potential is too good for 8 teams to pass on him...
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1769 » by Landomar » Tue May 13, 2025 6:02 pm

XTC wrote:Tre Johnson is a top 3 player in this draft.

He was a bucket in college, measured out well, his combine athletic testing has been fantastic so far.

Hes got a handle, he's got size, he's a natural scorer, and he's athletic. Kid is going to be up there with Devin Booker and Donovan Mitchell in a couple years.


It wouldn't surprise me at all if Johnson/Edgecombe go 3rd and 4th in some order, with Bailey falling to Utah at 5. Tre Johnson is good, and both Philadelphia and Charlotte could really use a guy like him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1770 » by Dalek » Tue May 13, 2025 6:08 pm

I have tried to be behind CMB and was waiting to see after the college season him locking in and fixing his jumper. In spot-up shooting drills you simply cannot look this bad.

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This makes him more of a small-ball C if he can't shoot. I want no part of it no matter how trimmed down he is and elite the defense could be.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1771 » by Clutch0z24 » Tue May 13, 2025 6:11 pm

Dalek wrote:I have tried to be behind CMB and was waiting to see after the college season him locking in and fixing his jumper. In spot-up shooting drills you simply cannot look this bad.

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This makes him more of a small-ball C if he can't shoot. I want no part of it no matter how trimmed down he is and elite the defense could be.


Yeah CMB is not the pick....Anyone high on him....He is 6"7 in shoes and has a PF/C type of play style....He would need to be a wing in the NBA....He can't shoot...
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1772 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 13, 2025 6:11 pm

I'll say this about KM

Teams ahead of us will be scared to take him or at least be very cautious about him. It's not a home run at all. You are banking on him to reach his potential which is always 50/50 especially for raw bigs. He has a long way to go on both ends. No GM wants to be that guy who drafts a bust in the top 10 - it's a fireable offense.

Masai probably has more intel on him than anyone. If he picks him, I'll trust it
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1773 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 13, 2025 6:12 pm

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Post#1775 » by Psubs » Tue May 13, 2025 6:16 pm

1. Dallas - Cooper Flagg
2. SA - Tre Johnson
3. Philly - Dylan Harper
4. Charlotte - VJ Edgecombe
5. Utah - Kon Knueppel
6. Washington - Ace Bailey
7. New Orelans - Khaman Maluach
8. Brooklyn - Jeremiah Fears
9. Toronto - Carter Bryant
10. Houston - Derik Queen
11. Portland - Colin Murray-Boyles
12. Chicago - Kasparas Jakucionis
13. Atlanta - Jase Richardson
14. SA - Nolan Traore

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1776 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue May 13, 2025 6:17 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
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So from your perspective Maluach is BPA for a team above us, but not for us at pick 9? Do I have that right? I'm not sure how both things can be true. In any case, Wizards aside, I definitely expect some teams to factor in team need for who they draft, there are lots of teams that draft for need and not just BPA. The Wizards will draft BPA, but I don't see that being Maluach at 6.


Teams will always lean on better fit if they view the players as in the same tier. Masai just admitted this below
From three to about 12, it's who you like or how you like it. So we'll figure out how we like it and how to manoeuvre.”

and I don't think this is just smoke or anything and it kind of goes with what we've been saying so far in this draft. that next tier after the top guys is all bunched up and it will be on preference.


Interesting that Masai views this the same as a lot of us do, very similar talent level across the board through these picks.


Masai started the year watching pre-season Rutger's games. Then he dumped vets, and held out Ingram vowing to finish poorly. Now he has to sell that the pick he gets at 9 will be just as good as the one he could have had at 3, and that the league agrees with him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1777 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 13, 2025 6:19 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#1779 » by Psubs » Tue May 13, 2025 6:21 pm

ballchique wrote:I want Carter Bryant. (Since my fave Tre Johnson won't be available)


He didn't do well in the off-the dribble drill but still great vert, and did pretty well in 3pt shooting drills.

Get Bryant and Rasheer somehow!
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Post#1780 » by Duffman100 » Tue May 13, 2025 6:23 pm

Dalek wrote:I have tried to be behind CMB and was waiting to see after the college season him locking in and fixing his jumper. In spot-up shooting drills you simply cannot look this bad.

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This makes him more of a small-ball C if he can't shoot. I want no part of it no matter how trimmed down he is and elite the defense could be.


Oomph yeah no thank you.

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