Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[Madhouse]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

I think this is the most realistic outcome actually. Although I wouldn't rule him out becoming a 1B type of player and you need the 1A, basically the same type of talent to win a championship.

I'd love for him to become a Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Durant level player but then again it's unlikely.

I see him in the same mold as Ja Morant basically (less gifted offensively but much more well rounded player). I doubt either of those guys will win a championship as the #1 option. Although truthfully you can win 55-60 games with them in the regular season the guy.

I personally think he is a Paul George level of talent and our success could very much look like the Pacers success back then.

I agree with your take but I also have no idea where we get the #1 (A) option from so in reality he will very likely be our #1 option. We would need to incredibly lucky in the draft because we will be in the playoffs soon and no FA is coming here.

[will]

Oh he still has been tho. Including this year.

Thats the fear with a 2nd knee injury with him. His offense doesn't rely on athleticism, but his defense might fall off now when he returns.

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Yeah, his calling card was passing and defense coming from Spain. His shooting was awful.

The shooting and especially FT% has improved...the defensive abilities have dropped off. Probably due to playing pro hoops since he was 14 or 15 years of age.

Might bave dropped.off a bit but still good and solid. This year moreso than last..last year he was just unhappy in Minnesota and playing trash. Who knew going to Cleveland of all places would bring his joy back.

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That reunion with his boy KLove might have been a good reason

Rubio is absolutely a quality NBA point guard. His shooting has just gotten so much better as he has aged. And he ain't exactly an old man...although he has lots of mileage on him. Just don't run that guy for huge minutes anymore.

[will]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

I think this is the most realistic outcome actually. Although I wouldn't rule him out becoming a 1B type of player and you need the 1A, basically the same type of talent to win a championship.

I'd love for him to become a Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Durant level player but then again it's unlikely.

I see him in the same mold as Ja Morant basically (less gifted offensively but much more well rounded player). I doubt either of those guys will win a championship as the #1 option. Although truthfully you can win 55-60 games with them in the regular season the guy.

I personally think he is a Paul George level of talent and our success could very much look like the Pacers success back then.

I agree with your take but I also have no idea where we get the #1 (A) option from so in reality he will very likely be our #1 option. We would need to incredibly lucky in the draft because we will be in the playoffs soon and no FA is coming here.

So from what he has shown, he is simply too unselfish to be an out and out #1 scorer. He has shown flashes of it, absolutely. It is still early.

If and when that light flips on for him to be that outright #1 guy...look out.

Giannis was like that during his first and second seasons. But then again, the Bucks completely cleared the deck for him to evolve into that outright #1 scorer.

[Madhouse]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

I think this is the most realistic outcome actually. Although I wouldn't rule him out becoming a 1B type of player and you need the 1A, basically the same type of talent to win a championship.

I'd love for him to become a Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Durant level player but then again it's unlikely.

I see him in the same mold as Ja Morant basically (less gifted offensively but much more well rounded player). I doubt either of those guys will win a championship as the #1 option. Although truthfully you can win 55-60 games with them in the regular season the guy.

I personally think he is a Paul George level of talent and our success could very much look like the Pacers success back then.

I agree with your take but I also have no idea where we get the #1 (A) option from so in reality he will very likely be our #1 option. We would need to incredibly lucky in the draft because we will be in the playoffs soon and no FA is coming here.

So from what he has shown, he is simply too unselfish to be an out and out #1 scorer. He has shown flashes of it, absolutely. It is still early.

If and when that light flips on for him to be that outright #1 guy...look out.

Giannis was like that during his first and second seasons. But then again, the Bucks completely cleared the deck for him to evolve into that outright #1 scorer.

He could develop into that type of dude but I wouldn't expect it. Just like I wouldn't expect Mobley to become the 2nd coming of Duncan like some people have been throwing around.

You never know and Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi all those guys developed into players nobody expected but I would not expect it for Barnes. What I would expect is All-NBA type player.

[vulture]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

I think this is the most realistic outcome actually. Although I wouldn't rule him out becoming a 1B type of player and you need the 1A, basically the same type of talent to win a championship.

I'd love for him to become a Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Durant level player but then again it's unlikely.

I see him in the same mold as Ja Morant basically (less gifted offensively but much more well rounded player). I doubt either of those guys will win a championship as the #1 option. Although truthfully you can win 55-60 games with them in the regular season the guy.

I personally think he is a Paul George level of talent and our success could very much look like the Pacers success back then.

I agree with your take but I also have no idea where we get the #1 (A) option from so in reality he will very likely be our #1 option. We would need to incredibly lucky in the draft because we will be in the playoffs soon and no FA is coming here.

I agree with this. During draft time I thought he would be a dominant defensive player and now I'm not sure he will get there. He has a chance to be a better Offensive than I thought, but probably not enough to being dominant there either. If he turns out to have a career anywhere near Paul George then you're cooking with grease as a perennial playoff contender.

[will]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

I think this is the most realistic outcome actually. Although I wouldn't rule him out becoming a 1B type of player and you need the 1A, basically the same type of talent to win a championship.

I'd love for him to become a Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Durant level player but then again it's unlikely.

I see him in the same mold as Ja Morant basically (less gifted offensively but much more well rounded player). I doubt either of those guys will win a championship as the #1 option. Although truthfully you can win 55-60 games with them in the regular season the guy.

I personally think he is a Paul George level of talent and our success could very much look like the Pacers success back then.

I agree with your take but I also have no idea where we get the #1 (A) option from so in reality he will very likely be our #1 option. We would need to incredibly lucky in the draft because we will be in the playoffs soon and no FA is coming here.

I agree with this. During draft time I thought he would be a dominant defensive player and now I'm not sure he will get there. He has a chance to be a better Offensive than I thought, but probably not enough to being dominant there either. If he turns out to have a career anywhere near Paul George then you're cooking with grease as a perennial playoff contender.

Minus the drama with messing around with an NBA Coach's daughter, and then knocking up a stripper...and then realizing that marrying the stripper would eventually save him financially in the long run.

I couldn't help it.

[Madhouse]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

I think this is the most realistic outcome actually. Although I wouldn't rule him out becoming a 1B type of player and you need the 1A, basically the same type of talent to win a championship.

I'd love for him to become a Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Durant level player but then again it's unlikely.

I see him in the same mold as Ja Morant basically (less gifted offensively but much more well rounded player). I doubt either of those guys will win a championship as the #1 option. Although truthfully you can win 55-60 games with them in the regular season the guy.

I personally think he is a Paul George level of talent and our success could very much look like the Pacers success back then.

I agree with your take but I also have no idea where we get the #1 (A) option from so in reality he will very likely be our #1 option. We would need to incredibly lucky in the draft because we will be in the playoffs soon and no FA is coming here.

I agree with this. During draft time I thought he would be a dominant defensive player and now I'm not sure he will get there. He has a chance to be a better Offensive than I thought, but probably not enough to being dominant there either. If he turns out to have a career anywhere near Paul George then you're cooking with grease as a perennial playoff contender.

This what I think will happen. He will be an elite player but not necessarily elite on either side. And I'm not sure who else in this draft projects as being very good on both sides. So there is a very good chance we will have the most complete player from the draft still.

[Madhouse]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

I think this is the most realistic outcome actually. Although I wouldn't rule him out becoming a 1B type of player and you need the 1A, basically the same type of talent to win a championship.

I'd love for him to become a Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Durant level player but then again it's unlikely.

I see him in the same mold as Ja Morant basically (less gifted offensively but much more well rounded player). I doubt either of those guys will win a championship as the #1 option. Although truthfully you can win 55-60 games with them in the regular season the guy.

I personally think he is a Paul George level of talent and our success could very much look like the Pacers success back then.

I agree with your take but I also have no idea where we get the #1 (A) option from so in reality he will very likely be our #1 option. We would need to incredibly lucky in the draft because we will be in the playoffs soon and no FA is coming here.

I agree with this. During draft time I thought he would be a dominant defensive player and now I'm not sure he will get there. He has a chance to be a better Offensive than I thought, but probably not enough to being dominant there either. If he turns out to have a career anywhere near Paul George then you're cooking with grease as a perennial playoff contender.

Paul George because he is also an elite #2 on a title contender not a #1 though.

Paul George also had a lesser role when he started out at Indiana. 9th in usage in year 1.

I think it's very likely we will be a high level playoff contender for a long time.

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[mdenny]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

I've had the same thought myself. More specifically....he may be a perennial allstar and even the best player on our team....but still not the guy you can iso in the halfcourt offense during the final minutes of an elimination game. After all....that's usually the role ppl are referring to when they say "#1 option".

It will be ok if he doesn't end up being that guy imo becayse he's just about a sure-thing for so many other facets of the game. Of course....it would be great if he's that guy too! But it's hard to find player comparisons for which that role is true.

[alpngso]

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Wagner is super impressive lately. No qualms

[tanuki1031]

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Wagner is super impressive lately. No qualms

Perhaps.

Then again, Mobley edges Barnes in November because of the winning matters narrative. Sure, I can understand even though Mobley played fewer games.

And then Wagner edges Barnes in December because of the winning no longer matters, stats and flash does narrative. **** off.
Don't even try to justify with Barnes played fewer games.
Magic wen 3-11 and the Raptors went 6-4 in December. **** off.

[mintsa]

Barnes is slooooowly dropping down the ROY ladder.

[mdenny]

Barnes is slooooowly dropping down the ROY ladder.

Honestly....that whole thing is mostly based on empty stats anyways. We got 1 of the 2 guys who plays the winningnest basketball. I doubt barnes' stats will ever gauge how good he is. Maybe the advanced ones but not the sexy ones ppl obsess over.

Noone cares about ROY 2 or 3 years down the line.

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Wagner is super impressive lately. No qualms

Perhaps.

Then again, Mobley edges Barnes in November because of the winning matters narrative. Sure, I can understand even though Mobley played fewer games.

And then Wagner edges Barnes in December because of the winning no longer matters, stats and flash does narrative. **** off.
Don't even try to justify with Barnes played fewer games.
Magic wen 3-11 and the Raptors went 6-4 in December. **** off.

Franz did almost 20-5-3 with 48% and 40% from 3 in December. I believe Mobley and Barnes were pretty close statwise in November but to me Franz’s stat is meaningfully better than Scottie imho

[Vampirate]

This might be a controversial take around here and I was a big proponent of drafting Barnes during draft time, but I just don't see him as a number 1 option on a championship team.
My stance was always that his highest outcome being a really good number 2 on a championship which is an extremely valuable player. His offensive improvement has been impressive and he's improving at crazy rate in shooting and defensive awareness. The flashes are just crazy that it gives us a sense he might get there. We just have to be really careful with the rhetoric because it's easy to turn on a player when he doesn't quite live up to the expectations that people have created for them.

True #1 options that are also unquestionably the best player on their team on a championship squad are not born overnight.

Jokic, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis we're not considered this in their first couple of years.

Trey Young is too limited defensively to probably be one, Zion's future is up in the air, Luka could be one but really needs to put in the work.

Out of the current players only Lebron really had this moniker when he entered the league and even then people say he needed to go to Miami to really obtain it.

As for this draft class, Mobley and Barnes have that potential, Cade maybe, Green and Kuminga are probably too flawed, not sure on Wagner and Giddey has the longest way to go.

People forget that being a #1 option, best player on a championship team not only means scoring on great efficiency, it also means raising your teammates level of play.

To a certain extent Mobley probably already did this with his defense.

[Madhouse]

Barnes is slooooowly dropping down the ROY ladder.

To the surprise of nobody.

[will]

Barnes is slooooowly dropping down the ROY ladder.

Honestly....that whole thing is mostly based on empty stats anyways. We got 1 of the 2 guys who plays the winningnest basketball. I doubt barnes' stats will ever gauge how good he is. Maybe the advanced ones but not the sexy ones ppl obsess over.

Noone cares about ROY 2 or 3 years down the line.

Scottie lifting the Larry O'B. and the Finals MVP hardware will be aight.

[Kingsway_fan]

Barnes is slooooowly dropping down the ROY ladder.

To the surprise of nobody.

He is like 5th in the pecking order for plays/shots behind fred, pascal, og, Trent.... even boucher gets more passes near the rim, etc....

Coach and masai aiming for playoffs....

[OakleyDokely]

Barnes' consistency sort of hurts him. He's pretty much a lock for 12-20 points a game on good efficiency (for a rookie) with a bunch rebs, asts, stls and blks. He's had very few off games.

But to win awards you need headlines. A flashy triple double or 30 point nights help. A player who scores 30 one night and 10 the next will get more attention than the guy who scores 15 each night.

In comparison to Wagner, Barnes currently leads in MIN, REB, AST, BLK, FG%, TS%.

In comparison to Mobley, Barnes currently leads in MIN, PTS, AST, STL, 3PT%.

In comparison to Giddey, Barnes currently leads in MIN, PTS, REB, STL, BLK, FG%, 3PT%, FT%, TS%