Ed Davis: no ball-related activities for up to 6 wks(p. 16)

[Reignman]

Well, ****.

Ah, good to see you back HP.

Hey, BC seems to have lined everything up perfectly for a "true" rebuild huh? Shed Hedo's contract and was this close to unloading Twitch as well.

What are your thoughts now? Don't see any scenarion where we could rebuild (tank?) any better than this right?

What are your thoughts on PG prospects like Irving/Knight/Selby? Hell, how do YOU feel about Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones or Enes Kanter?

Stop smiling HP, you're starting to make people blush.

BTW, everyone (outside of Cosmo) is as worried about the TPE and the Banks/Evans expirings as you are.

**** it, time to jubilate brother, how does the first "true" rebuild feel?

until bargs is gone, this is not a true rebuild.

Hey, I'm still just as concerned about Bargs as the rest of the "haters", he needs to man up and improve on the defensive end or else I don't see him in a starting role for this team in the future.

Fact is, the pressure is off from a team/wins perspective because the expectations are low. If Bargs doesn't show tangible improvement on the defensive end then we have to make a strong decision on whether we'll make him a 6th man or trade him. That's a fact if we want to start winning in the future.

Bargs' issues are very pronounced and his development has held this team back for the last 4 years so I can understand why there's no love lost.

He gets this year but don't be surprised if people are clamouring for him to be traded mid way through the season if he doesn't show much improvement on the defensive end. BC has made a pointed effort to change the personnel / culture of this team by moving Hedo and almost moving Jose, I wouldn't be surprised if Bargs is next on the list.

[Boogie!]

blah blah blah.

i'm not a fan of your most recent long-winded posts here and in the keeping bc thread. a simple, "stfu" would've sufficed.

[RonaldArtest]

blah blah blah.

i'm not a fan of your most recent long-winded posts here and in the keeping bc thread. a simple, "stfu" would've sufficed.

Thanks for making me spit out my coffee...

[supersub15]

Dougie chimes in:

The whole Ed Davis saga (we caught up with it here yesterday afternoon once it became clear exactly what had happened; no sense rumour-mongering until some facts were known) is a bit of a can of worms, isn’t it?

Kid goes out to run with the masses at some gym in Mississauga, suffers a knee injury playing and now no one’s entirely sure what the course of treatment is going to be or how long he’ll have to sit before starting his first NBA training camp.

And there are those in the organization who are worried the rookie big man might have to have a scope to find out just what’s going on inside that knee and while that’s not 100 per cent certain right now, I don’t think anyone should be entirely surprised if it happens.

Anyway, I guess the whole issue is whether Davis, and guys like DeMar DeRozan and Sonny Weems and Amir Johnson should be out in group Runs With Randoms hither and yon in the GTA.

I guess it’s good for their profiles and to a make a “connection” with the fans but the simple fact is, they get more than enough gym time in the Air Canada Centre, where there are first-class facilities, a better, softer court and, you know, staff around if something untoward happens.

Davis had already gone through a scrimmage in the practice gym before he struck out to the wilds of Mississauga and that pickup game and I wonder if that shouldn’t have been enough work for one day.

Now I also know that injuries happen anywhere and at any time, he could just have easily tweaked his knee in the Air Canada Centre as some gym out here in the boonies and this is little more than a bad break for what seems to be a good kid.

But there need to be some questions asked.

Does the league need to re-visit it’s off-season workout rules to allow for team supervision of these pre-camp runs?

Does the team need to make it clear that scrimmages need to take place in the team facility rather than some random gym? Is one run a day enough?

There are no easy answers; it’s just too bad the young fella had to get hurt.

[Lionel Messi]

Does the league need to re-visit it’s off-season workout rules to allow for team supervision of these pre-camp runs?

Oh come on. This isn't high school, where there has to be a teacher around to use the gym.

What are they going to say "No playing basketball unless we're there to watch you"? That's ridiculous.

[pharring]

Does the league need to re-visit it’s off-season workout rules to allow for team supervision of these pre-camp runs?

Oh come on. This isn't high school, where there has to be a teacher around to use the gym.

What are they going to say "No playing basketball unless we're there to watch you"? That's ridiculous.

Dougie... King of the under-reaction... is now over-reacting.
Dogs and cats, living together.
Mass hysteria!

[princeofpalace]

High prospect dropped to our slot but with injury problem

Well, two of the power forwards drafted ahead of Davis - Udoh and Monroe - have already had surgery this summer. Udoh is by far the more serious; he's out until after Christmas. Monroe should be fine by now.

Monroe didn't suddenly get injured though. He had a lingering toe issue from highschool that staff wanted to fix. He is fine right now and he says hes more mobile.

I like Davis. If Monroe was gone, he would have been Pistons pick at #7 according to most draft scouts. I hope his tear isn't serious & so far it doesn't sound like it is

[BorisDK1]

Oh come on. This isn't high school, where there has to be a teacher around to use the gym.

What are they going to say "No playing basketball unless we're there to watch you"? That's ridiculous.

While I don't think the league has to make rules, you have a point here: they aren't in high school. They are assets of a professional organization worth millions of dollars. The S&C and development staff should be around these guys all the time. I'm not overly impressed by these guys flying all over the place all summer long with nary a second of supervision and direction and guidance by the staff of this franchise. I understand guys want to go home in the summer - sometimes for tax reasons - but who is teaching these guys about proper technique and method in their offseason workouts? Who is going through all the steps of teaching: explanation of the method, demonstrating the method, getting the player to imitate the method, correcting the imitation, and then perfect repetition?

The Raptors have shown (prior to this year) a very low level of commitment to player development and proper training. They need to really elevate that level of commitment if they want to be successful and part of that is both educating the players as to proper workouts, and also holding them accountable.

[RapsGM]

Im sure Davis will be just fine when the season starts. He may start training camp a little late, but a tear of the meniscus isn't that bad.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Weak response by the Raps and Doug. These kids are selling tickets on their behalf, you would hope that the organization would've had their back instead of acting like a parent and condemning the exercise. This injury could have happened during their illegal ACC workouts, and then what would they have to say?

[barrist]

Weak response by the Raps and Doug. These kids are selling tickets on their behalf, you would hope that the organization would've had their back instead of acting like a parent and condemning the exercise. This injury could have happened during their illegal ACC workouts, and then what would they have to say?

They're not exactly volunteering. They're professionals being paid millions.

[J-Roc]

This injury sounds like it had nothing to do with who he was playing against. And I doubt the condition of the court. I'd say my only concern is playing without a trainer around. So that if a guy gets hurt, there's someone around who actually knows what to do rather than just some kids.

And even then, I don't know that a trainer would have helped in this case.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Weak response by the Raps and Doug. These kids are selling tickets on their behalf, you would hope that the organization would've had their back instead of acting like a parent and condemning the exercise. This injury could have happened during their illegal ACC workouts, and then what would they have to say?

They're not exactly volunteering. They're professionals being paid millions.

They were volunteering their time to reach out to the community. Just like they're volunteering their time to unofficially workout with trainers and coaches before camp starts. This all benefits the organization, so they should show a little class and actually defend the good intentions of their players. Or impress upon their players that they don't want them engaging in these kinds of activities beforehand.

[[SJJ]]

I thought a torned meniscus was one of the more minor injuries in sports?

[MrBojangelz71]

(we caught up with it here yesterday afternoon once it became clear exactly what had happened; no sense rumour-mongering until some facts were known)

Why do I feel this was directed at RGM?

As for the whole knee jerk reaction part of Dougie's article, please. You can have a MASH unit attending workouts and scrimmages and it won't prevent injuries. THEY HAPPEN.

Has there been any reports as to how this injury occured? i.e. banged knees with someone, land funny, was tripped up by Yogi's crossover?

[Yuri Vaultin]

I thought a torned meniscus was one of the more minor injuries in sports?

So did I, but based on early "reports" amputation is probably the best course of action followed by a rather dodgy Frankensteinesque cadaver limb reclamation and attachment procedure.

[Inception]

I haven't seen anyone suggest that it's serious. People are just pointing out that Davis seems to be injury prone and based on his history thus far, that seems to be a fair assumption.

[notskeebs]

I haven't seen anyone suggest that it's serious. People are just pointing out that Davis seems to be injury prone and based on his history thus far, that seems to be a fair assumption.

How is breaking your wrist being injury prone? How is tweaking your knee once in your life as far as we know being injury prone?

[Inception]

Most of the best players ever go their entire careers without missing a significant stretch of games. Some are just more durable than others. How come Bosh misses at least a dozen games every year and KG never had an injury (until recently)?

[LittleOzzy]

Most of the best players ever go their entire careers without missing a significant stretch of games.

Since when? The greatest player of all time missed almost an entire season.