Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

Kaizen · Post #181 » by **Kaizen** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:15 pm

NC State at North Carolina is on TSN2 right now.

Barnes has 9 points in the first 3 minutes.

Post #182 » by **Double Helix** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:17 pm

dagger wrote:
Double Helix wrote:
He's obviously young and raw so I think their ranking of him in the top 3 is also a little ambitious at this time. Like Kanter, he'll stay in the lottery because teams always love bigs but I think he'll slide a little outside of the top 5 as teams will see him as more of a project the same way Andris Biedrins was seen as a coordinated, hard working, agile and athletic big man with upside.

Givony describes him as Biedrins with a higher ceiling. For one, Valanciunas' biggest strengths include being a superb finisher on the pick and roll. As of Dec 26 when Givony wrote his last report on him, Valanciunas had either scored or drawn a foul on 43 of 50 pick and roll attempts as meaured by Synergy Sports.

In the NBA, that's money, and couple that with an 87% free throw record, and it's pretty easy to see a dangerous offensive weapon. Valanciunas sets a good screen, rolls hard to the basket, and finishes really well. Biedrins isn't that level of finisher, never was. In this kind of draft, I expect Valanciunas to hang around the 3-7 range, no lower. If a bad teams bets there will be a lockout, he's an excellent investment because he'll keep on playing at a high level next year while most NCAA picks are playing in the D-League or playgrounds.

Hmmm, you're making me like him even more than I already did. Those numbers are impressive. Can he step out and shoot it too? If he had a money set shot like Ilgauskas I'd be be even more intrigued by the guy because there is a lot to like there and you're also right about being able to let him play a year overseas. How's his defence?

As much as I like him though, I don't see him cracking the top 4 this year.

Irving, Jones and Sullinger seem like solid bets for an eventual consensus top 3 and then there's going to be some March Madness stories and performance opportunities for guys like Derrick Williams or Terrence Jones to step up and boost their stock a little. Bad teams need to sell these picks to their fanbases so there will be some slight tournament boosts for these guys if they can go on a run and make some exciting stories happen and Valanciunas doesn't have that same opportunity.

I don't see how he slides past 10 though in this draft so 6-10 seems pretty likely at this point for me.

fredericklove · Post #183 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:20 pm

CZAR85 wrote:NC State at North Carolina is on TSN2 right now.

Barnes has 9 points in the first 3 minutes.

i missed the first 3 mins, how did he score them? Any from driving to the buckets ?

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #184 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:24 pm

i remember how Derozan was touted as a top 3 prospect then slipped after his poor play. Reminds me of Barnes and i think Barnes could be a star in this league.

Kingsforlife · Post #185 » by **Kingsforlife** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:26 pm

Looking like Jesus out there. Jesus! Jesus!

fredericklove · Post #186 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:26 pm

wow nice move Barnes, haven't seen him do that in a long time, pumpfake - takes 1 step and pull up for a jumper. Nice.

So Clutch · Post #187 » by **So Clutch** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:26 pm

Barnes is playing well today. He's a tall wing, and looks to have the tools to be a good rebounder - don't know what the stats stay though.

fredericklove · Post #188 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:28 pm

6 men on the court LMAO

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #189 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:31 pm

Nice to see Barnes doing well. He needs it in the worst way.

Kingsforlife · Post #190 » by **Kingsforlife** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:32 pm

by the way espn3 has the Baylor game

fredericklove · Post #191 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:34 pm

that was nice, he went for the fade away, didn't get striped or turned it over

So Clutch · Post #192 » by **So Clutch** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:35 pm

Do we need another player who shoots midrange pull-ups (Barnes)?

fredericklove · Post #193 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:36 pm

Kingsforlife wrote:by the way espn3 has the Baylor game

PJ w/ 2 points only, baylor getting raped!

fredericklove · Post #194 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:38 pm

So Clutch wrote:Do we need another player who shoots midrange pull-ups (Barnes)?

Barnes shoots 3s too, he'll get alot of wide open looks in the raps :lol:

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #195 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:38 pm

Perry Jones is all potential right now. Do teams have the patience these days for potential?

yayotube · Post #196 » by **yayotube** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:46 pm

Barnes' D looks good so far. I think his issues are all confidence, similar to how Demar's confidence issues held him back at times somewhat.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #197 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:48 pm

Yeah, that's the thing about Barnes for me - do really want another guy who doesn't exude mental toughness on our team?

I thought the reports out of high school said that he had a killer instinct. We have yet to see that from him.

baulderdash77 · Post #198 » by **baulderdash77** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:49 pm

This is only my 2nd long look at Barnes. He is a really pesky defender. He's just all over his guy. I also like how he is crashing the defensive boards as soon as every shot is released.

With the way he's playing I'm not sure why they don't run the offense through him more.

So Clutch · Post #199 » by **So Clutch** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:50 pm

Barnes is a willing passer, ill give him that.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #200 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:50 pm

This is the best Barnes has looked in a while.