Reasons to Keep Bargnani

[just23]

The right thing to do is to trade him. All the stats in the world don't change the fact that he'll always be soft and he has no heart. I'm sure many Bargs fans will say heart is a subjective thing, but when a guy cares only about getting his he has no heart. Bargs is the 7 foot version of Ricky Davis and always will be.

[Cake Walk]

Contender is on a roll today!

That's contender? LOL, for some reason I thought contender at least understood the sport. Guess I was wrong.

Ill take the opinions of an ivy league grad and person who grew up in the business over your amature nba 2k professional knowledge. Hey words are cheap right.

[Reignman]

Contender is on a roll today!

That's contender? LOL, for some reason I thought contender at least understood the sport. Guess I was wrong.

Ill take the opinions of an ivy league grad and person who grew up in the business over your amature nba 2k professional knowledge. Hey words are cheap right.

That's cool, not everyone is smart enough to formulate their own opinions. The vast majority of the world depends on others to tell them what to do anyway so you're not in the minority.

[ItsDanger]

Reason to keep Bargs: Keeping him or trading him wont mean anything until we get a legit impact player. So all the whiney bitches need to wake up to a hard reality check.

Great reasoning, probably took you hours to come up with that. Hey, why don't we add a point guard that can't dribble the basketball. Hell, why don't we just add a bunch of rec players for the fraction of the cost because "keeping him or trading him won't mean anything until we get a legit impact player".

LOL, the groupies kill me. Ever heard of a supporting cast? When building a team wouldn't you want players that can actually defend their position? Why does finding a legit talent mean we can't do all of the other things needed to build a competitive team?

That is the reality unfortunately whether you want to admit it or not and yes it is that simple.

[Reignman]

Reason to keep Bargs: Keeping him or trading him wont mean anything until we get a legit impact player. So all the whiney bitches need to wake up to a hard reality check.

Great reasoning, probably took you hours to come up with that. Hey, why don't we add a point guard that can't dribble the basketball. Hell, why don't we just add a bunch of rec players for the fraction of the cost because "keeping him or trading him won't mean anything until we get a legit impact player".

LOL, the groupies kill me. Ever heard of a supporting cast? When building a team wouldn't you want players that can actually defend their position? Why does finding a legit talent mean we can't do all of the other things needed to build a competitive team?

That is the reality unfortunately whether you want to admit it or not and yes it is that simple.

Sure, keep believing that.

[Cake Walk]

That's cool, not everyone is smart enough to formulate their own opinions. The vast majority of the world depends on others to tell them what to do anyway so you're not in the minority.

You have an inflated sense of self worth, I bet all your t shirts have their neck holes stretched waaaaaaaaay out.

[crosswalkryan]

Before you read this, note that I am in no way a hater of any specific player but just trying to be objective about the whole situation with some stats.

Bargnani's defense is actually getting WORSE over the years. (link)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2008&year_max=2011&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=82&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=gs&c1comp=gt&c1val=45&c2stat=def_rtg&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=off_rtg&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=def_rtg

from 2007 to 2011 his 4 seasons are in the top 20 worst defensive ratings, ending with 2010-11 where we see him with the worst defensive rating out of any starting big man in the NBA since 2007.

Some players like Amare make up for their defensive woes with efficient offense (2008-2009 phoenix - 111 drating, 117 o-rating +6 overall)

But Bargs offense is not good enough to make up for his terrible defense. His combined ratings leave him in the negative every year, with a -10 rating this year. To give you some perspective this is worse than Eddy Curry's 2007-2008 knicks season. Yes, Eddy Curry.

[dacrusha]

Bargs' rating across the league is so low that no one is going to take him off our hands without us sweetening the deal with a draft pick or us taking back an anvil of a contract. And besides, the list of teams needing a backup center who doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense, doesn't score efficiently AND has an 8 figure salary is exactly zero.

What this team needs, instead, is to get a starting center and put Bargs on the bench... worked out adequately in his 1st and 2nd season when our defense was ranked #12 and #13 in the league.

[Reignman]

That's cool, not everyone is smart enough to formulate their own opinions. The vast majority of the world depends on others to tell them what to do anyway so you're not in the minority.

You have an inflated sense of self worth, I bet all your t shirts have their neck holes stretched waaaaaaaaay out.

It's basketball, not that complicated tbh, I'm pretty sure I can come to my own conclusions without having an inflated sense of self worth.

[Cake Walk]

Bargs' rating across the league is so low that no one is going to take him off our hands without us sweetening the deal with a draft pick or us taking back an anvil of a contract. And besides, the list of teams needing a backup center who doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense, doesn't score efficiently AND has an 8 figure salary is exactly zero.

What this team needs, instead, is to get a starting center and put Bargs on the bench... worked out adequately in his 1st and 2nd season when our defense was ranked #12 and #13 in the league.

People dont care about how things work in the real world, they just want him out no matter what and dont care about the logistics or practicality of what they are spewing. Ya its easy to say get rid of him, but thats a move an idiot would make right now. Good thing BC isnt an idiot.

[Reignman]

Bargs' rating across the league is so low that no one is going to take him off our hands without us sweetening the deal with a draft pick or us taking back an anvil of a contract. And besides, the list of teams needing a backup center who doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense, doesn't score efficiently AND has an 8 figure salary is exactly zero.

What this team needs, instead, is to get a starting center and put Bargs on the bench... worked out adequately in his 1st and 2nd season when our defense was ranked #12 and #13 in the league.

Agreed, Bargs is a sunk cost and BC just needs to deal with it.

[dacrusha]

Bargs' rating across the league is so low that no one is going to take him off our hands without us sweetening the deal with a draft pick or us taking back an anvil of a contract. And besides, the list of teams needing a backup center who doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense, doesn't score efficiently AND has an 8 figure salary is exactly zero.

What this team needs, instead, is to get a starting center and put Bargs on the bench... worked out adequately in his 1st and 2nd season when our defense was ranked #12 and #13 in the league.

People dont care about how things work in the real world, they just want him out no matter what and dont care about the logistics or practicality of what they are spewing. Ya its easy to say get rid of him, but thats a move an idiot would make right now. Good thing BC isnt an idiot.

Getting rid of him would be a logical move (unless one is daft enough to actually think he'd be a key cog in a contending team)... unfortunately, it's impossible to get rid of someone that no one wants.

[Reignman]

Bargs' rating across the league is so low that no one is going to take him off our hands without us sweetening the deal with a draft pick or us taking back an anvil of a contract. And besides, the list of teams needing a backup center who doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense, doesn't score efficiently AND has an 8 figure salary is exactly zero.

What this team needs, instead, is to get a starting center and put Bargs on the bench... worked out adequately in his 1st and 2nd season when our defense was ranked #12 and #13 in the league.

People dont care about how things work in the real world, they just want him out no matter what and dont care about the logistics or practicality of what they are spewing. Ya its easy to say get rid of him, but thats a move an idiot would make right now. Good thing BC isnt an idiot.

So you agree with Dacrusha that Bargs is pretty terrible? I mean, if you have to sweeten the deal just to get rid of him then that's what you're essentially saying.

Also, it seems you now admit that Bargs is also a bench player, is that right?

I'm pretty sure most people understand this about Bargs and nobody would suggest parting with a decent piece like Ed or our pick just to get rid of him. Most would be perfectly happy with Dacrusha's suggestion of benching him and building a team the right way regardless of Bargs.

Are you in agreement?

[Cake Walk]

That's cool, not everyone is smart enough to formulate their own opinions. The vast majority of the world depends on others to tell them what to do anyway so you're not in the minority.

You have an inflated sense of self worth, I bet all your t shirts have their neck holes stretched waaaaaaaaay out.

It's basketball, not that complicated tbh, I'm pretty sure I can come to my own conclusions without having an inflated sense of self worth.

Ya its not that complicated. Put the ball in the hoop more times than the other team. Wow my eyes are opened. Like I said before, BC needs to hear some of those great ideas of yours. Like dumping assets for nothing and playing Amir Johnson 35 minutes a game because hes the type of player that wins championships.

[snomeister]

Bargs' rating across the league is so low that no one is going to take him off our hands without us sweetening the deal with a draft pick or us taking back an anvil of a contract. And besides, the list of teams needing a backup center who doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense, doesn't score efficiently AND has an 8 figure salary is exactly zero.

What this team needs, instead, is to get a starting center and put Bargs on the bench... worked out adequately in his 1st and 2nd season when our defense was ranked #12 and #13 in the league.

People dont care about how things work in the real world, they just want him out no matter what and dont care about the logistics or practicality of what they are spewing. Ya its easy to say get rid of him, but thats a move an idiot would make right now. Good thing BC isnt an idiot.

Getting rid of him would be a logical move (unless one is daft enough to actually think he'd be a key cog in a contending team)... unfortunately, it's impossible to get rid of someone that no one wants.

If BC can get rid of Hedo and his contract, I don't see why trading Bargnani would be a problem.

[Reignman]

It's basketball, not that complicated tbh, I'm pretty sure I can come to my own conclusions without having an inflated sense of self worth.

Ya its not that complicated. Put the ball in the hoop more times than the other team. Wow my eyes are opened. Like I said before, BC needs to hear some of those great ideas of yours. Like dumping assets for nothing and playing Amir Johnson 35 minutes a game because hes the type of player that wins championships.

He doesn't need to listen to me, he just needs to watch the finalists year in and year out and he'd understand what's wrong with the teams he has typically built. You should do the same, watch some ball outside of the Raps and see what those good teams have that we don't.

It's not just saying we need talent, that's a given, what you need is the right type of talent at the different positions. Interior D and perimeter O, that's the template.

[Cake Walk]

Bargs' rating across the league is so low that no one is going to take him off our hands without us sweetening the deal with a draft pick or us taking back an anvil of a contract. And besides, the list of teams needing a backup center who doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense, doesn't score efficiently AND has an 8 figure salary is exactly zero.

What this team needs, instead, is to get a starting center and put Bargs on the bench... worked out adequately in his 1st and 2nd season when our defense was ranked #12 and #13 in the league.

People dont care about how things work in the real world, they just want him out no matter what and dont care about the logistics or practicality of what they are spewing. Ya its easy to say get rid of him, but thats a move an idiot would make right now. Good thing BC isnt an idiot.

So you agree with Dacrusha that Bargs is pretty terrible? I mean, if you have to sweeten the deal just to get rid of him then that's what you're essentially saying.

Also, it seems you now admit that Bargs is also a bench player, is that right?

I'm pretty sure most people understand this about Bargs and nobody would suggest parting with a decent piece like Ed or our pick just to get rid of him. Most would be perfectly happy with Dacrusha's suggestion of benching him and building a team the right way regardless of Bargs.

Are you in agreement?

What I agree with is that we need better players than him in order to succeed, not giving away one of the best ones we currently have and DEFINITELY not sweetening the pot for someone else to take him off our hands like you seem to be advocating.

Some people have a one track mind, yours seems to be a nascar track. Keep making left turns you will get back to where you started.

Bargnani is who he is. He can be an important piece on a good team and for $8-10 million a year hes not a cap killer. Right now this team is devoid of talent and you want to jettison the most talented player we have.

Good idea. Then next year we can suck again and everyone can get on DeMars case and we can ship him out too. You sure you arent some professor or something? Insight like this is priceless, I should write this all down.

1) Get rid of players for nothing
2) Sign 5 Amir Johnsons, rebounding wins games
3) Championship.

[Comeatme_Bro]

I love how every Bargnani thread turns into 10+ pages of heated arguments. Definitely the highlight of the season.

[sonn]

Cake Walk wrote:What I agree with is that we need better players than him in order to succeed, not giving away one of the best ones we currently have and DEFINITELY not sweetening the pot for someone else to take him off our hands like you seem to be advocating.

Some people have a one track mind, yours seems to be a nascar track. Keep making left turns you will get back to where you started.

Bargnani is who he is. He can be an important piece on a good team and for $8-10 million a year hes not a cap killer. Right now this team is devoid of talent and you want to jettison the most talented player we have.

Good idea. Then next year we can suck again and everyone can get on DeMars case and we can ship him out too. You sure you arent some professor or something? Insight like this is priceless, I should write this all down.

1) Get rid of players for nothing
2) Sign 5 Amir Johnsons, rebounding wins games
3) Championship.

Which current championship contending team would take Bargnani and give him 35 minutes a game at the 4 or 5? He is average to above average on offence and well below average at best on defence. No team can have a key piece admittedly be lazy and expect to have any kind of lasting success.

[Cake Walk]

Cake Walk wrote:What I agree with is that we need better players than him in order to succeed, not giving away one of the best ones we currently have and DEFINITELY not sweetening the pot for someone else to take him off our hands like you seem to be advocating.

Some people have a one track mind, yours seems to be a nascar track. Keep making left turns you will get back to where you started.

Bargnani is who he is. He can be an important piece on a good team and for $8-10 million a year hes not a cap killer. Right now this team is devoid of talent and you want to jettison the most talented player we have.

Good idea. Then next year we can suck again and everyone can get on DeMars case and we can ship him out too. You sure you arent some professor or something? Insight like this is priceless, I should write this all down.

1) Get rid of players for nothing
2) Sign 5 Amir Johnsons, rebounding wins games
3) Championship.

Which current championship contending team would take Bargnani and give him 35 minutes a game at the 4 or 5? He is average to above average on offence and well below average at best on defence. No team can have a key piece admittedly be lazy and expect to have any kind of lasting success.

Orlando, San Antonio, Boston, Miami, OKC would all give him 28-30 minutes. Am I missing anyone? Thats pretty much all the contending teams except the Lakers. Playing him 35 minutes is too much even on this team but we have nobody else that can play minutes.