Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

Truthrising · Post #181 » by **Truthrising** » Thu May 5, 2011 8:54 pm

Tenacious_C wrote:^^ He's an option.

tbh, he seems a bit undersized to be a legit C at 6'9

CanadaB-Ball · Post #182 » by **CanadaB-Ball** » Thu May 5, 2011 8:57 pm

Tenacious_C wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patric-Young-5746/

Is who I like.

I see him as more of a Power Forward in the NBA, although I like the comparison Dr Mufasa made with Biyombo.

Either way, this current draft class seems to have many more options at center.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #183 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu May 5, 2011 8:59 pm

Tenacious_C wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patric-Young-5746/

Is who I like.

So what about the 19-year old Patric Young (who is 6'9", 220lbs, 7'1" to 7'2" wingspan, put up 3.4ppg/3.8rpg/0.8bpg in 17.8mpg) makes him a better C prospect than any of the three C's we're looking at this year?

Tenacious_C · Post #184 » by **Tenacious_C** » Thu May 5, 2011 9:07 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
Tenacious_C wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patric-Young-5746/

Is who I like.

So what about the 19-year old Patric Young (who is 6'9", 220lbs, 7'1" to 7'2" wingspan, put up 3.4ppg/3.8rpg/0.8bpg in 17.8mpg) makes him a better C prospect than any of the three C's we're looking at this year?

I like that he's getting another year of college hoops under his belt, where he can get bigger and better. I'm getting tired of the Euro experiment, I want a NA C playing for this team.

Tenacious_C · Post #185 » by **Tenacious_C** » Thu May 5, 2011 9:08 pm

truthrising wrote:
Tenacious_C wrote:^^ He's an option.

tbh, he seems a bit undersized to be a legit C at 6'9

Still growing.

Strategist1 · Post #186 » by **Strategist1** » Thu May 5, 2011 10:42 pm

I think Kanter will have a better rookie season, maybe better 1st couple of seasons compared to Biyombo...but Biyombo will be better than him in the long run.

I still think Biyombo is the better prospect. Of course this is just my speculation... I really want more news/videos...etc. to get a better idea.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #187 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu May 5, 2011 10:45 pm

Strategist1 wrote:I think Kanter will have a better rookie season, maybe better 1st couple of seasons compared to Biyombo...but Biyombo will be better than him in the long run.

I still think Biyombo is the better prospect. Of course this is just my speculation... I really want more news/videos...etc. to get a better idea.

Yeah I can't wait until the lottery (where if we get lucky we'll just end up having to choose between Kyrie/Williams) and the combine where we can get some definitive answers about some of these guys' length/athleticism etc. May 17th can't come soon enough.

All of the three bigs have a lot to gain or lose after the combine

Strategist1 · Post #188 » by **Strategist1** » Thu May 5, 2011 10:54 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:Yeah I can't wait until the lottery (where if we get lucky we'll just end up having to choose between Kyrie/Williams) and the combine where we can get some definitive answers about some of these guys' length/athleticism etc. May 17th can't come soon enough.

All of the three bigs have a lot to gain or lose after the combine

Yep. Exactly where I stand too. I'd take Kyrie/Williams in the top 2. ...also looking forward to the combine... Hopefully many of our questions will be answered.

Indeed · Post #189 » by **Indeed** » Thu May 5, 2011 10:55 pm

Tenacious_C wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:
Tenacious_C wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patric-Young-5746/

Is who I like.

So what about the 19-year old Patric Young (who is 6'9", 220lbs, 7'1" to 7'2" wingspan, put up 3.4ppg/3.8rpg/0.8bpg in 17.8mpg) makes him a better C prospect than any of the three C's we're looking at this year?

I like that he's getting another year of college hoops under his belt, where he can get bigger and better. I'm getting tired of the Euro experiment, I want a NA C playing for this team.

You mean no to Rasho? Big Z?
Those are the C who can spread the floor and defend the paint, and they are not NA C.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #190 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu May 5, 2011 11:03 pm

^^ don't forget Varejao, Nene, Marc Gasol, and Gortat as well.

ansoncarter · Post #191 » by **ansoncarter** » Thu May 5, 2011 11:14 pm

Strategist1 wrote:I think Kanter will have a better rookie season, maybe better 1st couple of seasons compared to Biyombo...but Biyombo will be better than him in the long run.

I still think Biyombo is the better prospect. Of course this is just my speculation... I really want more news/videos...etc. to get a better idea.

sounds like he'll be a huge fan favourite anyway. DX says he plays with the intensity of garnett. Toronto fans go nuts for that stuff

plus guy is a prince I can't picture an actual prince failing, he most likely has some kind of win gene

Silk Wilkes · Post #192 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Thu May 5, 2011 11:16 pm

ansoncarter wrote:
Strategist1 wrote:I think Kanter will have a better rookie season, maybe better 1st couple of seasons compared to Biyombo...but Biyombo will be better than him in the long run.

I still think Biyombo is the better prospect. Of course this is just my speculation... I really want more news/videos...etc. to get a better idea.

sounds like he'll be a huge fan favourite anyway. DX says he plays with the intensity of garnett. Toronto fans go nuts for that stuff

plus guy is a prince I can't picture an actual prince failing, he most likely has some kind of win gene

Isn't Al-Farouq Aminu a prince as well? I haven't seen that Garnett intensity though. Those are HUGE shoes to fill.

Strategist1 · Post #193 » by **Strategist1** » Thu May 5, 2011 11:27 pm

His favourite players are Kevin Garnett and Kevin Love. All reports have indicated that yes, he does play with intensity, and goes after everything.

Hey, he may have good genes. He's the oldest of 7 children. The oldest tend to be strong and in fact, people have said he has leadership qualities.

I think I read somewhere, that some of his family, father/uncle? played semi-pro basketball. So he was exposed to basketball growing up. His father's favorite player was Karl Malone.

Most reports reveal he has some good character traits/personality. If the leadership qualities/personality/character are confirmed...I'd take him over Kanter/Val.

ansoncarter · Post #194 » by **ansoncarter** » Thu May 5, 2011 11:29 pm

Youngblood wrote:

Isn't Al-Farouq Aminu a prince as well? I haven't seen that Garnett intensity though. Those are HUGE shoes to fill.

oh yeah you're right. Aminu was a prince born without the win gene

I think bc will take kantner anyway, even if it's a huge mistake passing on kemba walker, who I think has the potential to be dominant at pick/roll, which should be the number one thing to look for every single draft year until we find a monster at it

SkywalkerAC · Post #195 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Thu May 5, 2011 11:41 pm

Kanter would have been bumped down one spot by Barnes if he hadn't pulled out, maybe Sullinger but I that's debatable.

Indeed · Post #196 » by **Indeed** » Fri May 6, 2011 12:06 am

Strategist1 wrote:I think Kanter will have a better rookie season, maybe better 1st couple of seasons compared to Biyombo...but Biyombo will be better than him in the long run.

I still think Biyombo is the better prospect. Of course this is just my speculation... I really want more news/videos...etc. to get a better idea.

Unless Kanter has injury issue, otherwise, Kanter should be the better player.
Kanter is more rounded, he has game in different aspect, which helps your teammates a lot.
As much as Ben Wallace can do, he needs much better offense surrounding him, and not every system fits his style of play (Chicago/Cleveland). So Kanter should be the better player if he measure out with some C attributes.

DreamTeam09 · Post #197 » by **DreamTeam09** » Fri May 6, 2011 12:48 am

Right now I am more in favour of kanter/ walker/ Knight over williams. If Williams is a small fwd, he's not the type we need. I will reserve some of my judgement on williams till after workouts though. If we miss out on kyrie just trade down and take walker.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #198 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Fri May 6, 2011 12:54 am

Indeed wrote:
Strategist1 wrote:I think Kanter will have a better rookie season, maybe better 1st couple of seasons compared to Biyombo...but Biyombo will be better than him in the long run.

I still think Biyombo is the better prospect. Of course this is just my speculation... I really want more news/videos...etc. to get a better idea.

Unless Kanter has injury issue, otherwise, Kanter should be the better player.
Kanter is more rounded, he has game in different aspect, which helps your teammates a lot.
As much as Ben Wallace can do, he needs much better offense surrounding him, and not every system fits his style of play (Chicago/Cleveland). So Kanter should be the better player if he measure out with some C attributes.

Ben Wallace needed the most pedestrian cast of teammates to win a championship in NBA history. It's not like he was surrounded with offensive dynamos. Billups and Rip were really the only two above average scorers. They never even had one legit first option on offense.

An impact player that doesn't require touches is going to fit in on any team.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #199 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Fri May 6, 2011 12:58 am

Any interest in Davis Bertans with a late pick? He's an 18-year old SF prospect from Latvia. Measured out at 6'10.5" in shoes (6'9" without), 210lbs at the Hoop Summit, with a 6'10.25" wingspan and 8'10" standing reach. His 3pt shooting would definitely help us.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av1WL4wVriQ&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XHssDGOq38&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHgMozswD2A&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ZncHhd-2g&feature=related[/youtube]

I'm probably being delusional, but he kind of reminds me of another lanky young SF. With a late 1st/2nd rounder, I think this kid could be a real steal.

Indeed · Post #200 » by **Indeed** » Fri May 6, 2011 1:41 am

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Strategist1 wrote:I think Kanter will have a better rookie season, maybe better 1st couple of seasons compared to Biyombo...but Biyombo will be better than him in the long run.

I still think Biyombo is the better prospect. Of course this is just my speculation... I really want more news/videos...etc. to get a better idea.

Unless Kanter has injury issue, otherwise, Kanter should be the better player.
Kanter is more rounded, he has game in different aspect, which helps your teammates a lot.
As much as Ben Wallace can do, he needs much better offense surrounding him, and not every system fits his style of play (Chicago/Cleveland). So Kanter should be the better player if he measure out with some C attributes.

Ben Wallace needed the most pedestrian cast of teammates to win a championship in NBA history. It's not like he was surrounded with offensive dynamos. Billups and Rip were really the only two above average scorers. They never even had one legit first option on offense.

An impact player that doesn't require touches is going to fit in on any team.

You underrated Rasheed Wallace. He has the 3point range, and can spread the floor for everyone to make Ben the only one occupied in the post (and come up for pick and roll). And his post game is above average, where he can provide a mis-match option.

Compare to Chicago in those days, the PF position where Chicago has was Tyrus Thomas:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2007.html (ORtg 21st, DRtg 1st)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2008.html (ORtg 26th, DRtg 14th)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2007.html (ORtg 6th, DRtg 7th)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2008.html (ORtg 6th, DRtg 4th)

Without Ben Wallace, Detroit is still a top 10 defensive team, and they improved their ORtg to 6th from 15th.