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Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#181 » by EH15 » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:27 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:We have had a problem at the three since he got here; and has committed millions upon millions of dollars and hundred upon hundreds of minutes to failed solutions like Jones, Kapono, Turkoglu, Wright, Wright, Weems, Moon, Fields, Kleiza, etc etc. and here we are right back to that same problem we had the day after we let Mo'Pete walk back in the summer of 2006.

Butler too. I have no doubt in my mind Anderson will soon join this group.

This group right here has got to be over 100 million.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#182 » by UN-Owen » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:30 pm

Look at his top signings. With the exception of Bosh, his cap management has been atrocious

Hedo 53 million
Bargnani 50 million
Calderon 45 million
DeRozan 40 million
Amir 30 million
Kapono 24 million
Jack 24 million
Fields 19 million
Kleiza 18 million

total = 303 million

Average contract length = 4.3 years

Average contract = 33.7 million

Annual average = 7.8 million

All-star game appearances = 0


BC's 303 million dollar dream team...

Calderon/Jack
DeRozan/Fields
Hedo/Kleiza/Kapono
Amir
Bargnani


EDIT: Forgot about Ford's extension
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#183 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:31 pm

dTox wrote:I do agree with your sentiments that he's making the best of what he has, but part of my problem is the fact that he holds the younger and players on a cheaper contracts much more accountable where as players like Andrea get a free pass and they continue to do a half assed job, same could be said of Calderon last year when he shared pg duties with Bayless and continued to start when Bayless clearly put more effort on both ends of the floor. And what about Fields, why is he continuously starting this guy when its clear that he's not fit for the NBA let alone the starting lineup (I get the feeling that he's trying to validate his contract even if it means by force).

I'm not questioning his X's and O's (not that they are terrific to begin with) nor questioning his defensive schemes (which I think he's done a great job with), but his rotations just atrocious. If the excuse is that we don't have talent, then you should be playing your top 7-8 players and keeping the rotaton to the said number, what's the point of playing your 10th/11th/12th man if they are so terrible? Yesterday we've seen a lineup of Lucas/Anderson/Mcguire/Amir/Gray during the end of the 3rd quarter for quite a long stretch when we needed to make a come back when its clear that lineup wouldn't make a dent on the offensive end.


I actually differ on that view;
He may be the only coach who has kept Bargnani even remotely accountable; save for the Nets game when Bargnani didnt have it, he played 24 and 25 minutes against OKC and MIN and Davis was given his minutes instead, and when he was feeling it on offense against the Mavs and to a degree the Pacers (he was getting to the line) he got his 30+. That is far more then any other coach has ever done with Bargnani

I have never felt that any coach that Bargnani has had with the Raps had the balls to simply bench him, I don't feel that way about Casey, I suspect if this continues his minutes will drop as he shown he is willing to do.

The argument I will make about rotations is that our 7th, 8th, and 9th guys aren't exactly head and shoulders more talented then our 10th, 11th, and 12th guys.

Good teams have a pretty clear distinction between second unit and third, we simply don't have the talent.

The thing with Lucas/Anderson/Mcguire/Amir/Gray is that Johnson, McGuire, and Gray all had a positive plus/minus last night, and Lucas is the only thing on the roster that resembles a PG that isn't Jose when Lowry is hurt, so the issue is why did Anderson get 16 minutes?

I would suspect because DeRozan played >40 and Fields is terrible, and Ross racked up 3 (?) fouls on 1/3 shooting in eight to ten minutes so he clearly wasn't feeling it.

The only guy who's minute confuse me on the Raps is Ed Davis, however I suspect an argument could be made for match-up's.

Everyone else is a by-product of a terrible rotation of players that Casey had little say in bringing in
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#184 » by Snooch » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:32 pm

the thing that kind of baffles me is that Stefanski was brought in to help keep \BC from making stupid moves, yet he allowed the feilds contract? maybe stefanski was promised the gm job if bc screws up bad enough, hence him signing off on the demar extension and the feilds contract
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#185 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:35 pm

Snooch wrote:the thing that kind of baffles me is that Stefanski was brought in to help keep \BC from making stupid moves, yet he allowed the feilds contract? maybe stefanski was promised the gm job if bc screws up bad enough, hence him signing off on the demar extension and the feilds contract


The Fields contract is something that is squarely on BC;
My assumption is that Fields agent damn well knew that BC was over the table and needed a signature on an offer sheet and fast to retain any hope of getting Nash, and made him pay through the nose for it.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#186 » by Snooch » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:40 pm

i know if i was stefanski and was sitting that room on that day and bc looked to me before signing the feilds contract i would have given a nod knowing that it will only be another nail in the coffin for him.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#187 » by Sark » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:41 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
Snooch wrote:the thing that kind of baffles me is that Stefanski was brought in to help keep \BC from making stupid moves, yet he allowed the feilds contract? maybe stefanski was promised the gm job if bc screws up bad enough, hence him signing off on the demar extension and the feilds contract


The Fields contract is something that is squarely on BC;
My assumption is that Fields agent damn well knew that BC was over the table and needed a signature on an offer sheet and fast to retain any hope of getting Nash, and made him pay through the nose for it.


He didn't "NEED" Fields to get Nash. Nash very well could have decided he wanted to play in Toronto to finish his career. BC signed him to c0ck block the Knicks from using Fields in a S&T with Phoenix. But there was no guarantee yet from Nash that he definitely wanted to play for the Knicks.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#188 » by Black Milk » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:43 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
Snooch wrote:the thing that kind of baffles me is that Stefanski was brought in to help keep \BC from making stupid moves, yet he allowed the feilds contract? maybe stefanski was promised the gm job if bc screws up bad enough, hence him signing off on the demar extension and the feilds contract


The Fields contract is something that is squarely on BC;
My assumption is that Fields agent damn well knew that BC was over the table and needed a signature on an offer sheet and fast to retain any hope of getting Nash, and made him pay through the nose for it.


The attempt at signing Nash itself was a bad move without the eventual Fields contract. What's the point of brining a 38yr old PG to a rebuilding team. It was purely a move to sell tickets and try save his job. NOT remotely close to a good basketball decision.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#189 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:50 pm

Black Milk wrote:The attempt at signing Nash itself was a bad move without the eventual Fields contract. What's the point of brining a 38yr old PG to a rebuilding team. It was purely a move to sell tickets and try save his job. NOT remotely close to a good basketball decision.


Absolutely;
Using Fields to block the Knicks from working an S&T with the Suns was the most desperate thing I have seen in pro sports.

The thing with Nash is that by going all in and failing it allowed him to fall assbackwards into the right decision in trading for Lowry. Every rational basketball fans Plan A, was his Plan B.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#190 » by WalterCronkite » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:54 pm

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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#191 » by Hero » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:54 pm

That being said, this franchise really does need continuity. He's had lots of time (7 years!), and hasn't proven much, but I like the idea of keeping together Val, Lowry, Casey, Derozan, Bargs, Ross for a few years to see if they finally click, and I guess having a consistent GM is good for that type of thing.


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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#192 » by sanity » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:56 pm

Keep a good thing going!
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#193 » by Black Milk » Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:56 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
Black Milk wrote:The attempt at signing Nash itself was a bad move without the eventual Fields contract. What's the point of brining a 38yr old PG to a rebuilding team. It was purely a move to sell tickets and try save his job. NOT remotely close to a good basketball decision.


Absolutely;
Using Fields to block the Knicks from working an S&T with the Suns was the most desperate thing I have seen in pro sports.

The thing with Nash is that by going all in and failing it allowed him to fall assbackwards into the right decision in trading for Lowry. Every rational basketball fans Plan A, was his Plan B.


That should be the title of any book written about the BC era in Toronto
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#194 » by cage » Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:02 pm

still can't believe BC hasn't acquired a player capable of at least being an allstar. lowry may have a shot, i guess
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#195 » by thunderforce » Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:13 pm

You guys realize that if BC goes so too most likely does Lowry and DD will probably want out too so if we are going to start over we are really going to start over like square one . While I don't like some of BC's moves he didn't sign Fields because he was a fantastic player , hopefully he can make another block buster trade because I don't really want to start from square one all over again not yet anyway . This team is not as bad as we have been playing and it seems as though we just keep playing all the great teams but we have to play some weaker teams sooner or later .
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#196 » by RomaniaLuvTR » Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:22 pm

IN BC I .....STILL TRUST !!! of course no playoffs should mean BYE BYE next summer,until that he still has my support
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#197 » by RedX » Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:33 pm

whoknows wrote:Too bad that most of you don't understand that great NBA players refuse to play in Toronto, so no GM can convince them other wise.
The easiest thing in the world is to criticize, why not offer a solution - who is that great GM that wants to build a Siberi....oops...Toronto NBA team?

Blame BC all you want, but understand that in this league where stars decide where they go, Toronto does not stand a chance to build a "championship" team.
And please stop with the stupid "build it and they come", since there is no way to successfully build in the NBA without having a team full of superstars. Chicken or egg?


I don't think anyone is upset for the stars he's "not able to bring". I think people are upset because we keep signing below average players to insane deals.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#198 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:33 pm

thunderforce wrote:You guys realize that if BC goes so too most likely does Lowry and DD will probably want out too


Why?
DeRozan's need for BC is over, he already has his contract.

As for Lowry, as long as we pay him and he gets along with Casey I don't think he will really care who the GM is.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#199 » by RedX » Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:35 pm

Hero wrote:
That being said, this franchise really does need continuity. He's had lots of time (7 years!), and hasn't proven much, but I like the idea of keeping together Val, Lowry, Casey, Derozan, Bargs, Ross for a few years to see if they finally click, and I guess having a consistent GM is good for that type of thing.


You cannot be serious .


Few years? Lol it's been a decade since we had a good team. We don't have a few years of patience left.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#200 » by UnderdogRaptors » Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:48 pm

Bryan Colangelo is nothing but an overrated incompetant GM who lives off his fathers coattails.
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