Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[Ice102]

Move #1 - On Draft Night
Rudy Gay and Terrence Ross to Minnesota for Andrei Kirilenko, Alexey Shved, JJ Barea, Greg Stiemsma and MIN 2013 #1 Pick

Move #2
Kyle Lowry and Landry Fields to Utah for Marvin Williams and a UTA #1 Pick

Move #3 - Summer of 2014 if we can't get back anything of value.
Amnesty Andrea Bargnani

Not bad at all actually. We get some cap space, flexibility and a couple of picks. If we're going to rebuild, these aren't bad moves.

[Dr Positivity]

Here's my EVERYTHING MUST GO!!! plan

Trade 1

TOR gets:
2013 UTA 1st (or GSW 1st if that's the higher pick)

UTA gets:
Kyle Lowry

Utah gets a badly needed starting PG who fits their system and culture. Toronto gets a top 16 pick

Trade 2

Phoenix gets:
Demar Derozan

Toronto gets:
Future MIN 1st
Channing Frye
Shannon Brown

Phoenix really needs wing production, so they get a 17ppg+ young SG in Derozan. Toronto gets a future draft pick/asset and probably capspace if Frye retires

Trade 3

Toronto gets:
Spencer Hawes
Jason Richardson
Evan Turner

Philadelphia gets:
Rudy Gay

Things have gotten Requiem for a Dream dark in Philadelphia. This gives them some hope by putting a talented player at SF beside Jrue and Thad, as they decide what to do with the Bynum situation.

+

Bargnani amnestied. Kleiza is bought out and goes back to Europe.

Roster:

PG: Myck Kabongo or Trey Burke (UTA 1st)/Lucas III
SG: Ross/Fields/Brown
SF: Turner/JRich
PF: Amir Johnson/Acy
C: Valanciunas/Hawes/Gray

Roll out the tanks, collect assets and save capspace, give lots of minutes to young players.

[dagger]

Brandon Jennings is now saying he might sign his Qualifying Offer, so it sounds like he wants out of MIL at any cost, and will leave as a UFA if he doesn't go as an RFA.

What do people think of Lowry + Kleiza for a Jenning S&T?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Brandon Jennings is now saying he might sign his Qualifying Offer, so it sounds like he wants out of MIL at any cost, and will leave as a UFA if he doesn't go as an RFA.

What do people think of Lowry + Kleiza for a Jenning S&T?

With BC, I could see it happening, but I'm not too keen on Brandon Jennings overall.

I do think Kyle Lowry is a candidate to be traded though.

I'd rather have Texas PG Myck Kabongo personally.

[Ice102]

Brandon Jennings is now saying he might sign his Qualifying Offer, so it sounds like he wants out of MIL at any cost, and will leave as a UFA if he doesn't go as an RFA.

What do people think of Lowry + Kleiza for a Jenning S&T?

I'd do it. Just for the sake of mixing things up, the potential that Jennings brings, and the fact him and DeMar are very close. Not sure how Rudy would feel about it, but I don't think that'd be a major issue.

If BC can somehow swing a Ross, Bargnani, 2015 first for Smith and Kwame Brown(a three team deal with Philly), and use the MLE on Korver, then we'd look quite strong next season:

Val/Brown
Smith/Amir/Acy
Gay/Fields
DeRozan/Korver
Jennings/Lucas/Telfair

Replace Casey with Van Gundy and we're golden.

Is this even remotely realistic?

[hillbilly hare]

Brandon Jennings is now saying he might sign his Qualifying Offer, so it sounds like he wants out of MIL at any cost, and will leave as a UFA if he doesn't go as an RFA.

What do people think of Lowry + Kleiza for a Jenning S&T?

I'd do it. Just for the sake of mixing things up, the potential that Jennings brings, and the fact him and DeMar are very close. Not sure how Rudy would feel about it, but I don't think that'd be a major issue.

If BC can somehow swing a Ross, Bargnani, 2015 first for Smith and Kwame Brown(a three team deal with Philly), and use the MLE on Korver, then we'd look quite strong next season:

Val/Brown
Smith/Amir/Acy
Gay/Fields
DeRozan/Korver
Jennings/Lucas/Telfair

Replace Casey with Van Gundy and we're golden.

Is this even remotely realistic?

Having Jennings, Demar and Rudy on the floor at the same time could result in the occasional trio of 3-15s from the field, i.e. 9-45 overall. Throw Andrea into the mix and that could reach 15-60.

I don't really see the value in doing a sign and trade for Jennings. If Milwaukee matches an offer, so be it. We aren't desperate at PG. We should be focusing on getting a starting C and a starting PF. That would hopefully involve trading Andrea. Amir has been solid, but he's a backup. Jonas should be able to start in year 3. I wouldn't mind adding some D to the lineup as well. Millsap would look good and might be a realistic signing. Sacrilege alert: even if it meant amnestying Andrea.

[Dr Positivity]

BC getting extended and Jennings, Derozan, Gay and Bargs being in the SL by opening day next season, is the darkest timeline

[Marvin Martian]

Ryan Anderson to the Raptors for Landry Fields and Terrance Ross

Javale Mcgee to the Raptors for Bargs

Sign Anthony Morrow

Hire Stan van Gundy


Lowry/Telfair
Derozan/Morrow
Gay/Kleiza (expiring)
Anderson/Amir
McGee/Val

Decent team IMO even through we kill the cap.

[TheFreshPrince]

Colangelo has taught me one thing; these do-it-all guys are a waste of time unless they're an elite player. So my philosophy if I were a GM would be that any player I get needs to have AT LEAST one ELITE ability, excluding hops. That ability can be anything from shooting, passing, defense, hustle, scoring, rebounding, etc. That type of player ranges from the likes of Reggie Evans (rebounding) to Kevin Martin (scoring) to LeBron James (everything).

Guys like Rudy Gay and DeMar DeRozan are nice players, but guys like that would be 4th or 5th options on my team, at MUCH less money.

The problem with Colangelo's style of GMing in my opinion is that he always looks for these Swiss army knife players who are mediocre at everything and I guess that's good to play .500 ball, but not much more.

The OTHER difference between us and the best teams besides elite players are our role players. Miami has Battier, Allen, and Chalmers who are all knock down shooters. OKC has Martin who's an elite scorer, Collison who's an elite hustler, Perkins who is an elite (but overpaid) post defender, and Ibaka who is an elite shot blocker. Indiana has Hill who is an elite defender, Hansborough who is an elite jackass, and West who is an elite leader. New York has Novak who is an elite shooter, Shumpert who is an elite defender, and Chandler who is also an elite defender.

Now let's look at the Raps. The only guy who I can name that is elite at anything is Amir Johnson, who is an elite hustler.

[witnessraps]

Trade 2

Phoenix gets:
Demar Derozan

Toronto gets:
Future MIN 1st
Channing Frye
Shannon Brown

Phoenix really needs wing production, so they get a 17ppg+ young SG in Derozan. Toronto gets a future draft pick/asset and probably capspace if Frye retires

that is bad for the Raps...we should never do anything like that.

[Rapsfan07]

I think Aldridge is a waste of time given where we are as a team. We have no tradeable picks as of right now and no valuable pieces that we are willing to move. Moving picks for vets is what got us into this mess in the first place so I don't want us doing it again. We need to conserve all the youth we possibly have and acquire more if at all possible.

That said, I'd like to sign someone like Millsap or Jefferson this offseason. Jazz can't keep both and the team is lingering in that 8th seed-late lotto pick bracket. If we can just find someway to offload Bargnani if he starts playing better...ATL is poised to lose a lot of players and have a lot of capspace.

1. Bargnani to ATL for pick(s) + capspace
2. DeRozan to POR for Matthews
3. Use the Stretch Provison on Amir
4. Sign Millsap/Jefferson
5. Kleiza + Fields to WAS for Okafor (I'd settle with Nene but WAS needs to send back picks)
6. Draft Trey Burke
7. Sign Corey Brewer with MLE

Lowry/Burke
Matthews/Ross
Gay/Brewer
Millsap or Jefferson/Amir
Oak or Nene/Val

Fill out the roster

Still wouldn't have room to sign Millsap or Jefferson after that. Also LOL at the thought of getting cap space + picks for Bargnani

Atlanta has 1 2013 first round pick from Houston two and swap rights in 2014 and 2015 with Brooklyn, not to mention their own 2013 pick. Atlanta, Houston and Brooklyn are all playoff bound. I find it hard to believe that if Bargnani keeps playing well and closes this season out good, that we can't get a late first rounder from Atlanta for him. They'll have almost no roster next year plus they'll need to re-sign Teague. I think they could be a potential target for a late first rounder. That's not much.

[3thomas]

Arron Affalo for Fields.
We would need a player tha can shoot the 3 and can defend next to Demar and next to Gay he would be perfect.
From Orlando's side, they are rebuilding, Affalo has one more year on his contract, so they would save some money. This trade would also work with Klieza if they want to get the cap space right now.

[OAKLEY_2]

Ryan Anderson to the Raptors for Landry Fields and Terrance Ross

Oh merciful God. Way too soon to bail on Ross.

[OAKLEY_2]

How about a Raptor near trade moratorium? Bargs we could either amnesty or hang on to until he's an expiring or can be packaged with someone of value that has fallen out of favour by next deadline. If we amnesty Kleiza we have a space avavilable. If we let AA go we have a space available. If we cut Lucas in the offseason we have a space available. Pietrus gone space available. Telfair gone another space to fill. This is one offseason where I'd be looking for bargain UFAs. Dejuan Blair might be a good pick up. Telfair has some moxy. Mason Jr. can hit a 3. Will Bynum. Earl Clark. CDR. Turiaf. Players will be amnestied as well. I certainly do not want to trade Lowry.

[warbird]

Brandon Jennings is now saying he might sign his Qualifying Offer, so it sounds like he wants out of MIL at any cost, and will leave as a UFA if he doesn't go as an RFA.

What do people think of Lowry + Kleiza for a Jenning S&T?

No way we get rid of lowry if we want to keep gay. I would be fine with that trade if we traded gay also, or else he bolts as soon as hes free agent without lowry

[Loso04]

I would have preferred a slow rebuild approach, I find it funny there was articles that BC tried to pry Corey Joseph from the spurs, but if he never gave JJ the "opportunity deal" he could of drafted Joseph himself. If we were able to obtain Joseph in 2011, in 2012 I would've drafted Drummond at 8th and traded both 2nd rounders to move up to get Jeff Taylor. Instead in jump the gun efforts we are pretty much STUCK!

Jose,Joseph
Derozan
Taylor,Anderson
Davis,Bargs
Val,Amir

[kidr1211]

Trade away anything(except JV) for 2014 1st round picks,Trade into 2013 draft and select trey burke or myck, #TankForWiggins or Parker or just tank, this draft is VERY deep and theres a good chance lottery teams will have a shot at a franchise player, begin to build team around him the RIGHT way. oh and make sure troy weaver is the one getting this all done.

Use our 2nd round pick this year on seth curry also


We all have big dreams but the reality of it is, BC has already sold his plan of rudy gay onto MLSE and well probably have the same core next year


And i highly doubt rudy gay is getting traded after half a season. Its not happening

[chriso1290]

Terrence Ross for Ed Davis

[Rapsobsessed7]

I really see this happening on draft night

To TOR: Carlos Boozer + Richard Hamilton
To CHI: Andrea Bargnani + Landry Fields + 2nd Round Pick

* Hamilton waived (1 million guaranteed)

I think they will try to keep Alan Anderson despite many of us not really wanting him back lol. This means making room for him and dumping Fields. This neutralizes Boozers cap hit for 2 seasons. For Chicago

- add 700,000 next season (assuming they waive Hamilton who's owed 1 million regardless). If they keep Hamilton they save 4 million. Hamilton will likely be waived though and they will need a starting SG to fill that spot who will cost more than 700,000 they add in this deal
- add 950,000 in 2014/2015 but break Boozers contract into 2 smaller ones. I also think Fields is exactly what Thibs wants and can space the floor

[Marvin Martian]

I really see this happening on draft night

To TOR: Carlos Boozer + Richard Hamilton
To CHI: Andrea Bargnani + Landry Fields + 2nd Round Pick

* Hamilton waived (1 million guaranteed)

I think they will try to keep Alan Anderson despite many of us not really wanting him back lol. This means making room for him and dumping Fields. This neutralizes Boozers cap hit for 2 seasons. For Chicago

- add 700,000 next season (assuming they waive Hamilton who's owed 1 million regardless). If they keep Hamilton they save 4 million. Hamilton will likely be waived though and they will need a starting SG to fill that spot who will cost more than 700,000 they add in this deal
- add 950,000 in 2014/2015 but break Boozers contract into 2 smaller ones. I also think Fields is exactly what Thibs wants and can space the floor

I would only agree to this if Boozer agrees to come off the bench for 20 mpg behind Amir.