Raptors Cap Situation - Woj: Cap at 70 million, Tax 84.7 million

[mtcan]

I don't know how true is this.

KC ‏@kc1nyk 2h
Report: #Raptors Expected to Sign Stash C-PF Lucas Nogueira for next season.

If this is true we gotta use that last roster spot on a bench C. Prospects look thin too.

Will Blatche keep his head on straight after getting a multi year deal?

Are Okafor or Smith going to be healthy?

Are steimsma, udoh, ayon, nazr, Blair etc. an upgrade from hands bro or Hayes?

No...Bebe will definitely be in street clothes on the sidelines...but no reason why we can't continue with the combo of Jonas or Chuck...or go small with Amir at the 5.

[polo007]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2 ... erson.html

In the era where the need for multi-dimensional NBAers is acute, the Raptors have one back in the fold after a flurry of transactions that continue the refining of the roster.

Patrick Patterson, a three-point-shooting big man who is a prototypical “stretch four,” has agreed to a three-year, $18 million deal with the Raptors, who also traded away three-point specialist Steve Novak in a savvy money-saving deal.

Toronto general manager Masai Ujiri, capping an eventful free-agent week, pre-empted any offers the restricted free agent would get by signing Patterson, who became a key element in the Raptors’ run to the Atlantic Division title last season.

Ujiri then turned around and moved Novak, plus the two years and $7.2 million owed him, to the Utah Jazz for Diante Garrett, who will be waived.

The Novak move creates even more cap space for Ujiri to use in his pursuit of a defensive-minded veteran small forward and his desire to re-sign restricted free agent Greivis Vasquez.

The 25-year-old Patterson had attracted interest from a few teams — Orlando was the most reported possible suitor — but Ujiri reached a deal before having to decide whether or not to match any offer Patterson would get.

The move still leaves the Raptors with enough salary-cap room to deal with Vasquez and add a mid-range-salaried, defensive-minded small forward.

[sycammer]

I think his SF target is luo deng, by trading our expiry contracts like fields and we be able to add him and sign grevais also; not to mention under the cap

I maybe wrong on that presumption of him going after leu deng, but it makes sense from our standpoint considering the NBA all star game

[Pass it]

Why are the cap hold figures different from the qualifying offers for PP and GV?

[StopitLeo]

Everyone needs to remember that the luxury tax isn't calculated until after the last regular season game. We can be over the tax signing FAs but not pay tax if we shed salary before the end of the season.

[Mikistan]

Everyone needs to remember that the luxury tax isn't calculated until after the last regular season game. We can be over the tax signing FAs but not pay tax if we shed salary before the end of the season.

BAM

if we are randomly a bottom dweller, Masai has proven he can make moves. And with an unprecedented record coming out ahead.

[Raptors-Son]

I think his SF target is luo deng, by trading our expiry contracts like fields and we be able to add him and sign grevais also; not to mention under the cap

I maybe wrong on that presumption of him going after leu deng, but it makes sense from our standpoint considering the NBA all star game

See our total salary indicated on the first page of the thread. We are already over the cap, which means we can't sign any free agents unless it's using the midlevel exception. Even if someone takes Fields for free still doesn't work. Deng is looking for a 10+ contract, so he is out of the picture.




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[RapsFanInOhio]

I don't think backup center is as big of a need as people are making it out to be. We got by last year with pretty much the same group of guys because Amir can play C and Hayes is a decent defender. When you add in Bebe's length and defense, you've suddenly got a pretty good 4-5 man rotation. And I really think Bebe is getting underrated in terms of what he can bring. He played at a high level in a competitive league. He'll contribute this year.

The only questions left this offseason are who the backup SF and 3rd PG will be and who is the odd man out.


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[Raptors-Son]

One player no one has mentioned to fill out our defensive SF role is James Johnson. He's much improved from the player he was when he played here.

I think he could fit well, plus he's young and has some offence as well. Not sure how much money he's looking for though.


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[El Bow]

Why are the cap hold figures different from the qualifying offers for PP and GV?

Different percentages are used to calculate each figure, if that's what you're asking

For example with Vasquez..
Cap Hold is 250% of his 4th-year salary: $2,150,188 x 2.5 = $5,375,470
QO is 49% increase of his 4th-year salary: $2,150,188 x 1.49 = $3,203,780

[SkywalkerAC]

I don't know how true is this.

KC ‏@kc1nyk 2h
Report: #Raptors Expected to Sign Stash C-PF Lucas Nogueira for next season.

WTF is sign-stashing?

[Raptors-Son]

One thing we need to consider before we decide to sign someone else this offseason is if that player going to put us over the top?

As it stands right now with the current roster we have, I think we are a 2nd round team. With our current salary cap situation this offseason there isn't anyone we can get that will make us better than that in order to beat teams like the Heat, Pacers, or Bulls (healthy).

So I think it's best to stand pat with the team we have and not sign someone that will jeopardize us financially long term.

We should build on the team we have next season, and then we should have around 15mill to spend in free agency to bring that impact player that makes us a contender.


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[cammac]

Assuming we resign Vasquez and I believe it will happen.
We still need a SF and a Big
Think if we can get Vince @ $3.5 he can play with Ross and Bruno @ SF really not many other choices.
I have concerns at PF & Back-up C
1st Hayes should be bolted to the bench never to see the light of day.
2nd Amir, Patterson & Hansbrough all had injury problems last year and Amir shouldn't be playing back-up C except in emergencies.
3rd Bebe is likely unable to play a meaningful role as a back-up for Jonas

Jordan Hill is a UFA 6ft10 and played well for LAL in PER, ORtg & DRtg he is big enough and strong enough to play back-up C. He is definitely more defense than offense but is efficient offensively. Again 4 million per for 2 years.

[Waylon Mercy]

Looks like we're running out of money and roster spots to sign VC or any other SF or back up C...

Looks like we'll stash Daniels somewhere this year as well. I hope we can move Novak somehow at
the very least for an expiring to line up with our other expirings next year even if it means
trading a 2nd round pick or 2.

I'm glad Ujiri listened to me yesterday

Ask and you shall receive thanks Massai

[Rapsobsessed7]

Assuming we resign Vasquez and I believe it will happen.
We still need a SF and a Big
Think if we can get Vince @ $3.5 he can play with Ross and Bruno @ SF really not many other choices.
I have concerns at PF & Back-up C
1st Hayes should be bolted to the bench never to see the light of day.
2nd Amir, Patterson & Hansbrough all had injury problems last year and Amir shouldn't be playing back-up C except in emergencies.
3rd Bebe is likely unable to play a meaningful role as a back-up for Jonas

Jordan Hill is a UFA 6ft10 and played well for LAL in PER, ORtg & DRtg he is big enough and strong enough to play back-up C. He is definitely more defense than offense but is efficient offensively. Again 4 million per for 2 years.

people need to stop bringing up Vince.

Lowry (32) / Vasquez (16)
Derozan (20) / Williams (20) / Vasquez (8)
Ross (26) / Derozan (12) / SF (10)

not enough minutes. Not gonna happen.

[Dalek]

Assuming we resign Vasquez and I believe it will happen.
We still need a SF and a Big
Think if we can get Vince @ $3.5 he can play with Ross and Bruno @ SF really not many other choices.
I have concerns at PF & Back-up C
1st Hayes should be bolted to the bench never to see the light of day.
2nd Amir, Patterson & Hansbrough all had injury problems last year and Amir shouldn't be playing back-up C except in emergencies.
3rd Bebe is likely unable to play a meaningful role as a back-up for Jonas

Jordan Hill is a UFA 6ft10 and played well for LAL in PER, ORtg & DRtg he is big enough and strong enough to play back-up C. He is definitely more defense than offense but is efficient offensively. Again 4 million per for 2 years.

A young big who can defend like Hill will probably go for more than $4 million. I think he will get the same deal Brandon Wright got last year or better because he is a slightly better player. Hayes is a fine back up C. He sets good screens, has decent lowpost defense and can make passes to cutters. Unless you find a taker for him he does have a place in the rotation, even if it is a third string C.

I'd like us to just get a good hardass SF. I like Francisco Garcia, PJ Tucker, or Alan Anderson. Nothing too flashy, but can defend well.

[rapsrealm]

I think his SF target is luo deng, by trading our expiry contracts like fields and we be able to add him and sign grevais also; not to mention under the cap

I maybe wrong on that presumption of him going after leu deng, but it makes sense from our standpoint considering the NBA all star game

Considering we traded Novak, I think it is quite possible we trade Fields to a team like Philly. The question is what we need to do
to make it worthwhile for Philly.


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[m83588333]

I think his SF target is luo deng, by trading our expiry contracts like fields and we be able to add him and sign grevais also; not to mention under the cap

I maybe wrong on that presumption of him going after leu deng, but it makes sense from our standpoint considering the NBA all star game

Considering we traded Novak, I think it is quite possible we trade Fields to a team like Philly. The question is what we need to do
to make it worthwhile for Philly.


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Hayes is easier. Same cap value but Fields cost more. Wait until a team tries to dump someone and needs expirings to match. Iyasova and Sanders come to mind.

[Volcano]

Assuming we resign Vasquez and I believe it will happen.
We still need a SF and a Big
Think if we can get Vince @ $3.5 he can play with Ross and Bruno @ SF really not many other choices.
I have concerns at PF & Back-up C
1st Hayes should be bolted to the bench never to see the light of day.
2nd Amir, Patterson & Hansbrough all had injury problems last year and Amir shouldn't be playing back-up C except in emergencies.
3rd Bebe is likely unable to play a meaningful role as a back-up for Jonas

Jordan Hill is a UFA 6ft10 and played well for LAL in PER, ORtg & DRtg he is big enough and strong enough to play back-up C. He is definitely more defense than offense but is efficient offensively. Again 4 million per for 2 years.

people need to stop bringing up Vince.

Lowry (32) / Vasquez (16)
Derozan (20) / Williams (20) / Vasquez (8)
Ross (26) / Derozan (12) / SF (10)

not enough minutes. Not gonna happen.

Vasquez and LouWill don't need that many minutes and that rotation is really small in size. VC is pretty damn old anyways..who knows if he'll regress.

Spurs could make it work with Green, Belinelli, Kawhi, TP, Ginobili, Mills, Corey Joseph. It's better to have players fill a smaller role than to overplay them. It'll help keep their bodies fresh for PO's too.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Assuming we resign Vasquez and I believe it will happen.
We still need a SF and a Big
Think if we can get Vince @ $3.5 he can play with Ross and Bruno @ SF really not many other choices.
I have concerns at PF & Back-up C
1st Hayes should be bolted to the bench never to see the light of day.
2nd Amir, Patterson & Hansbrough all had injury problems last year and Amir shouldn't be playing back-up C except in emergencies.
3rd Bebe is likely unable to play a meaningful role as a back-up for Jonas

Jordan Hill is a UFA 6ft10 and played well for LAL in PER, ORtg & DRtg he is big enough and strong enough to play back-up C. He is definitely more defense than offense but is efficient offensively. Again 4 million per for 2 years.

people need to stop bringing up Vince.

Lowry (32) / Vasquez (16)
Derozan (20) / Williams (20) / Vasquez (8)
Ross (26) / Derozan (12) / SF (10)

not enough minutes. Not gonna happen.

Vasquez and LouWill don't need that many minutes and that rotation is really small. VC is pretty damn old anyways..who knows if he'll regress.

Those minutes are their averages for last season... Williams got more than the 20 i listed as well. I just dont see VC fitting in, we need someone defensive minded not a offensive player.