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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#181 » by Indeed » Wed Aug 4, 2021 12:25 pm

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There's no extra pieces from Miami coming.
Toronto agreed to the package likely.
If Toronto can't reflip assets, it's not Miami's fault.

I think Dragic enters the traded deadline in a Raptors uniform

i am inclined to believe there is some truth to the rumor that heat will improve the deal (a little bit, very little) if they cant find a destination for dragic.

the reason i think there could be some truth to it, because there is an incompleteness to the reporting, we dont know kyles exact number, no firm reports that its just dragic and achiuwa,


Precisely.
Options for sign-and-trade
The basics of the Lowry deal have been reported. They are incomplete, possibly on a few fronts.

The first has to do with Lowry’s contract. It was reported as three years, $90 million. While agents sometimes leak rounded-up or even inflated numbers, that exact figure is not possible under the reported terms of the deal. Goran Dragic and Precious Achiuwa are the outbound pieces, and they make a combined $22.15 million. That allows the Heat to take back a first-year salary of $27.79 million for Lowry, which would let him earn $87.54 million on a three-year deal.

Maybe that’s close enough; $87.54 million to $90 million could be loose language in the reporting chain, and even that amount is far more than we expected Lowry to receive in guaranteed money. My belief remains that the early Lowry-Heat leaks were in part to see if other teams would offer more guarantee in a third year. A sign-and-trade has to be for at least three seasons, only the first of which has to be fully guaranteed. Lowry couldn’t feasibly get a fourth year due to the (convoluted) Over-38 Rule, so the main way of convincing Lowry would have been with the highest guarantee possible on a three-year term.

If Lowry truly is earning $90 million, it would require the Heat to include KZ Okpala, a decent prospect making $1.78 million. The guess here is that the Heat prefer to keep Okpala for inexpensive depth and Lowry is earning slightly less than reported.

It is not yet clear what draft compensation is accompanying Achiuwa to Toronto for facilitating and possibly taking on Dragic’s $19.44 million salary. The Heat can’t trade a first-round pick that conveys sooner than 2025, and even that date would be contingent on an earlier pick they owe to convey by 2023. They also only have a 2022 second-round pick (the worse of Philadelphia or Denver’s pick, so something in the 50s) or their own 2028 second-round pick to deal. Not exactly a massive haul, however it shakes out.

Two questions flow next: Are Achiuwa and some deep future picks enough for the Raptors to have played ball here? And what happens with Dragic?

The second question could inform the first. It was initially presumed Dragic would be routed elsewhere, either via a second trade or expanding the Lowry deal into a three-teamer. Dragic has been open about wanting to play in Dallas, and the Raptors would gladly send him there if it returned assets. A package of Dwight Powell and either Willie Cauley-Stein, Maxi Kleber or Dorian Finney-Smith works for cap math and satisfies the Raptors’ depth concerns at centre, but it leaves the Mavericks quite thin, especially inside. Dallas could conceivably find a fourth team that can throw better-fitting assets Toronto’s way, possibly absorbed to Dallas via trade exception first or for Kleber. The Mavericks have a better-stocked draft-pick cupboard, but their willingness to add Dragic will only go so far in asset terms. Toronto could also look to another team with cap space or that missed on the other point guards.

Basically, the Raptors’ options with Dragic are:

Find a team that wants Dragic and can offer assets more in line with Toronto’s needs and preferences. This sacrifices the cap space the Raptors would have had without Lowry on the books, but maximizing that space always meant also sacrificing Chris Boucher and the midlevel exception, and I’m not sure that player is out there any longer.
Find a team that can take Dragic into space. This limits Toronto’s monetary obligation and keeps its cap sheet more flexible, but it will likely return fewer assets. Dragic at $19.44 million for one year is roughly a neutral asset, so I’m skeptical teams are willing to attach heavy pick or prospect capital for him. (You still try, of course.) New Orleans could be a prime target here, expanding its earlier deal with Memphis to make everything fit in a much larger framework.
Hold Dragic. There would be no reason to buy Dragic out in the short term. Teams only get cap relief for the portion a player gives back, and short of Dragic giving up eight figures to be a free agent, it’s hard to see it being worthwhile. The Raptors could plug Dragic into the rotation as a quality veteran and revisit deals at the trade deadline. This would take the Raptors out of the cap space game too, meaning any remaining additions would come via the midlevel, biannual and minimum exceptions.
The Raptors probably have plans in place for all three paths; there’s just no sense in moving on to Option 3 until you’ve exhausted Options 1 and 2.


I believe Lowry can have up to 10% raise per year, meaning his contract can be 90m [27.79m, 30m, 32.21m] with only Dragic and Achiuwa.

The second question perhaps it has to do with roster spots?
Siakam, OG, VanVleet, Trent, Boucher, Flynn, Watanabe, Gillespie, Barnes, Achiuwa, Dekker, David Johnson, Banton, Powell = 14 out of 17 spots. With 3 spots, and outside of Banton and David Johnson, I am unsure anyone else can be used with the 2-way contract (Gillespie?). If we need to add another big C or a scoring guard, then we have no roster spot.
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#182 » by nostradamus » Wed Aug 4, 2021 12:27 pm

Coming from 2 PG lineups to what we have now, we're going to be desperate for playmaking, I'm not sure why we don't just play Dragic until the trade deadline. Unless we're expecting Trent/Barnes/OG to have huge leaps in the offseason to help us here. Our offense will be frustrating to watch if we don't at least have 1 other player that can make plays.
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#183 » by KillaSham23 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 12:28 pm

Yo WCS is bad. Don't want him, plus we know nurse would play him a ton
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#184 » by Merit » Wed Aug 4, 2021 12:32 pm

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alienchild wrote:Why is everyone assuming the hold up is being caused at the Toronto end. Just as possible to be from Miami or Dallas.

That’s the point!!! We didn’t have to do this S&T if Miami or Dallas is screwing us over! It looks bad on us!!

Here’s the question, are we better off now than letting Lowry walk and use the cap space to address our roster needs ? FA market is now as dry as Tripoli! It’s too late to back out not to mention the PR nightmare with Lowry’s camp! So we may be forced to keep Dragic and I’m almost certain that wasn’t the plan!
Masai worked so hard to have all of these expiring contracts in 2021 for a nice cap space (hello Giannis), I don’t think the goal was to use it on Achuiwa and Dragic!


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Raptors are choosing not to sign anyone so fsr, the trade really isnt holding us up.

If we keep Dragic we have full mle starting at 10.5$
If we reroute Dragic for 0 dollars coming back (impossible at this point looks like) then we have 14 mil cap space. The fair assumption is we will only have the mle and the raptors haven't signed anyone. The trade is not a holdup to signing a free agent.


No, not technically. But why would you sign someone Eg. A big - if you know you’re also getting Powell. It makes sense to see what the return is before dipping into the free agent market. Having said that, I still think we get oladipo.
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#186 » by douggood » Wed Aug 4, 2021 1:01 pm

Indeed wrote:I believe Lowry can have up to 10% raise per year, meaning his contract can be 90m [27.79m, 30m, 32.21m] with only Dragic and Achiuwa.

The second question perhaps it has to do with roster spots?
Siakam, OG, VanVleet, Trent, Boucher, Flynn, Watanabe, Gillespie, Barnes, Achiuwa, Dekker, David Johnson, Banton, Powell = 14 out of 17 spots. With 3 spots, and outside of Banton and David Johnson, I am unsure anyone else can be used with the 2-way contract (Gillespie?). If we need to add another big C or a scoring guard, then we have no roster spot.


its 8% if you re-sign with your own team, 5% raise if you sign with another team (even in s&t)
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#187 » by Apz » Wed Aug 4, 2021 1:02 pm

KillaSham23 wrote:Yo WCS is bad. Don't want him, plus we know nurse would play him a ton


Think mavs prefer to keep wcs and trade burke anyway. Maybe, if raptors trying to tank, they try to make it bigger.

Thonk mavs try to keep wcs since i prefer him over boban as backup 5, not sure about that new guy they got. And kleber is 4, sure can fill a few mins at 5 but his strenght is at 4
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Post#189 » by Landomar » Wed Aug 4, 2021 1:10 pm

I would trade Dragic for Powell, Burke, and Josh Green. If they aren't willing to give us a useful young player or draft pick, then we should just keep Dragic. We need another guard anyway.
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#190 » by Indeed » Wed Aug 4, 2021 1:23 pm

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Indeed wrote:I believe Lowry can have up to 10% raise per year, meaning his contract can be 90m [27.79m, 30m, 32.21m] with only Dragic and Achiuwa.

The second question perhaps it has to do with roster spots?
Siakam, OG, VanVleet, Trent, Boucher, Flynn, Watanabe, Gillespie, Barnes, Achiuwa, Dekker, David Johnson, Banton, Powell = 14 out of 17 spots. With 3 spots, and outside of Banton and David Johnson, I am unsure anyone else can be used with the 2-way contract (Gillespie?). If we need to add another big C or a scoring guard, then we have no roster spot.


its 8% if you re-sign with your own team, 5% raise if you sign with another team (even in s&t)


I see, it would be round up to 90m.
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Post#191 » by OAKLEY_2 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 1:24 pm

Indeed wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
douggood wrote:i am inclined to believe there is some truth to the rumor that heat will improve the deal (a little bit, very little) if they cant find a destination for dragic.

the reason i think there could be some truth to it, because there is an incompleteness to the reporting, we dont know kyles exact number, no firm reports that its just dragic and achiuwa,


Precisely.
Options for sign-and-trade
The basics of the Lowry deal have been reported. They are incomplete, possibly on a few fronts.

The first has to do with Lowry’s contract. It was reported as three years, $90 million. While agents sometimes leak rounded-up or even inflated numbers, that exact figure is not possible under the reported terms of the deal. Goran Dragic and Precious Achiuwa are the outbound pieces, and they make a combined $22.15 million. That allows the Heat to take back a first-year salary of $27.79 million for Lowry, which would let him earn $87.54 million on a three-year deal.

Maybe that’s close enough; $87.54 million to $90 million could be loose language in the reporting chain, and even that amount is far more than we expected Lowry to receive in guaranteed money. My belief remains that the early Lowry-Heat leaks were in part to see if other teams would offer more guarantee in a third year. A sign-and-trade has to be for at least three seasons, only the first of which has to be fully guaranteed. Lowry couldn’t feasibly get a fourth year due to the (convoluted) Over-38 Rule, so the main way of convincing Lowry would have been with the highest guarantee possible on a three-year term.

If Lowry truly is earning $90 million, it would require the Heat to include KZ Okpala, a decent prospect making $1.78 million. The guess here is that the Heat prefer to keep Okpala for inexpensive depth and Lowry is earning slightly less than reported.

It is not yet clear what draft compensation is accompanying Achiuwa to Toronto for facilitating and possibly taking on Dragic’s $19.44 million salary. The Heat can’t trade a first-round pick that conveys sooner than 2025, and even that date would be contingent on an earlier pick they owe to convey by 2023. They also only have a 2022 second-round pick (the worse of Philadelphia or Denver’s pick, so something in the 50s) or their own 2028 second-round pick to deal. Not exactly a massive haul, however it shakes out.

Two questions flow next: Are Achiuwa and some deep future picks enough for the Raptors to have played ball here? And what happens with Dragic?

The second question could inform the first. It was initially presumed Dragic would be routed elsewhere, either via a second trade or expanding the Lowry deal into a three-teamer. Dragic has been open about wanting to play in Dallas, and the Raptors would gladly send him there if it returned assets. A package of Dwight Powell and either Willie Cauley-Stein, Maxi Kleber or Dorian Finney-Smith works for cap math and satisfies the Raptors’ depth concerns at centre, but it leaves the Mavericks quite thin, especially inside. Dallas could conceivably find a fourth team that can throw better-fitting assets Toronto’s way, possibly absorbed to Dallas via trade exception first or for Kleber. The Mavericks have a better-stocked draft-pick cupboard, but their willingness to add Dragic will only go so far in asset terms. Toronto could also look to another team with cap space or that missed on the other point guards.

Basically, the Raptors’ options with Dragic are:

Find a team that wants Dragic and can offer assets more in line with Toronto’s needs and preferences. This sacrifices the cap space the Raptors would have had without Lowry on the books, but maximizing that space always meant also sacrificing Chris Boucher and the midlevel exception, and I’m not sure that player is out there any longer.
Find a team that can take Dragic into space. This limits Toronto’s monetary obligation and keeps its cap sheet more flexible, but it will likely return fewer assets. Dragic at $19.44 million for one year is roughly a neutral asset, so I’m skeptical teams are willing to attach heavy pick or prospect capital for him. (You still try, of course.) New Orleans could be a prime target here, expanding its earlier deal with Memphis to make everything fit in a much larger framework.
Hold Dragic. There would be no reason to buy Dragic out in the short term. Teams only get cap relief for the portion a player gives back, and short of Dragic giving up eight figures to be a free agent, it’s hard to see it being worthwhile. The Raptors could plug Dragic into the rotation as a quality veteran and revisit deals at the trade deadline. This would take the Raptors out of the cap space game too, meaning any remaining additions would come via the midlevel, biannual and minimum exceptions.
The Raptors probably have plans in place for all three paths; there’s just no sense in moving on to Option 3 until you’ve exhausted Options 1 and 2.


I believe Lowry can have up to 10% raise per year, meaning his contract can be 90m [27.79m, 30m, 32.21m] with only Dragic and Achiuwa.

The second question perhaps it has to do with roster spots?
Siakam, OG, VanVleet, Trent, Boucher, Flynn, Watanabe, Gillespie, Barnes, Achiuwa, Dekker, David Johnson, Banton, Powell = 14 out of 17 spots. With 3 spots, and outside of Banton and David Johnson, I am unsure anyone else can be used with the 2-way contract (Gillespie?). If we need to add another big C or a scoring guard, then we have no roster spot.


13. Dekker to 905 guaranteed. Question is does Achuiwa bounce Gillespie? Or does Boucher get dealt sooner because of his impending raise next year?

PG: Fred/Malachi/Dragic
SG: Trent Jr./Dragic/Yuta
SF: OG/ Barnes/Yuta
PF: Paskal/Barnes/Achuiwa
Centre: Birch/Boucher/Achuiwa or Birch/Achuiwa/Gillespie

Boucher???
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#192 » by Indeed » Wed Aug 4, 2021 1:34 pm

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KillaSham23 wrote:Yo WCS is bad. Don't want him, plus we know nurse would play him a ton


Think mavs prefer to keep wcs and trade burke anyway. Maybe, if raptors trying to tank, they try to make it bigger.

Thonk mavs try to keep wcs since i prefer him over boban as backup 5, not sure about that new guy they got. And kleber is 4, sure can fill a few mins at 5 but his strenght is at 4


Burke has a player option, and unlikely to get playing time with us.

I don't think we are tanking, but we are unlikely to be in the top. I am not sure the East is any stronger, so making the playoffs does not seem to be a difficult thing for us.

Kleber would probably be a no. I think Powell is for Dragic is the base deal, while if we can flip Burke with a forth team?
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#193 » by PoundTown » Wed Aug 4, 2021 1:44 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Precisely.


I believe Lowry can have up to 10% raise per year, meaning his contract can be 90m [27.79m, 30m, 32.21m] with only Dragic and Achiuwa.

The second question perhaps it has to do with roster spots?
Siakam, OG, VanVleet, Trent, Boucher, Flynn, Watanabe, Gillespie, Barnes, Achiuwa, Dekker, David Johnson, Banton, Powell = 14 out of 17 spots. With 3 spots, and outside of Banton and David Johnson, I am unsure anyone else can be used with the 2-way contract (Gillespie?). If we need to add another big C or a scoring guard, then we have no roster spot.


13. Dekker to 905 guaranteed. Question is does Achuiwa bounce Gillespie? Or does Boucher get dealt sooner because of his impending raise next year?

PG: Fred/Malachi/Dragic
SG: Trent Jr./Dragic/Yuta
SF: OG/ Barnes/Yuta
PF: Paskal/Barnes/Achuiwa
Centre: Birch/Boucher/Achuiwa or Birch/Achuiwa/Gillespie

Boucher???


I personally prefer Birch to Powell at this point. Powell's rebounding leaves a lot to be desired and I'd like our 5 men to be dedicated to defense and rebounding. Powell also doesn't make up enough for it offensively. He can shoot the 3, but you don't want him shooting it anymore than Birch. His midrange game and P and R are better, but Birch looks to pass more and I just like his fit.

Let Precious and Birch fight it out for who is the starter at the 5, as either pair pretty well with Boucher in my opinion off the bench. Basically it sounds like Dallas is willing to give up salary, but I'm not that high on their prospects like Green, and if I'm taking that salary I want a 1st back. I understand they may not want to give a 1st for Dragic, but if we can squeeze him in lineup without hitting the tax, I hold onto him. I still want to make playoffs this year and really think he could help as our depth would be very solid. Depth is nice in the regular season. If Dragic is effective all year, somebody may give you that late 1st and an expiring, if they are all in.
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#194 » by Pointgod » Wed Aug 4, 2021 1:53 pm

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It is laughable that the Mavericks fans think the Raptors would trade them Dragic for Powell/Burke straight up. Why would the Raptors trade the far better player and take on an extra year of salary in Powell without receiving prospects or picks back?


An extra year but pretty much the same money, for a less injuryprone player that id like 5 years younger.

Flip it. Why would mavs trade for a more injury prone, older player to just help heat get lowry?

I still wonder what happens if raptors just go **** it, and doubles back on the heat deal so it doesnt happen. I really think it would have been far better for them


The Raptors and Heat do not need the Mavericks at all to complete the trade. The Mavericks clearly want Dragic, so the Raptors are seeing if it is worth their while and they can get an asset or two from them. I am telling you that if Dragic ends up in a Mavericks uniform you are not going to be happy if you are expecting them not to being giving up picks or prospects.


The Mavs only give up assets for Dragic if they view him as an expiring contract. If that’s the case we’re getting getting a longer contract. Mavs don’t actually need Dragic. Reggie Jackson and Schroeder can fill that need. Unless they’re doing it to just keep Doncic happy I don’t see them willing to give more than a couple of seconds.
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Post#195 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Aug 4, 2021 2:13 pm

It doesn't really matter what happens here. This is all a small potatoes return for giving Kyle the send-off he wanted. It's probable that Dallas showed interest in Dragic, and now they're holding a hard offer of Powell/WCS with the expectation that Dragic's agent can reliably pressure the Raptors to cave.
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Post#196 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 2:15 pm

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dkb9696 wrote:
Apz wrote:
An extra year but pretty much the same money, for a less injuryprone player that id like 5 years younger.

Flip it. Why would mavs trade for a more injury prone, older player to just help heat get lowry?

I still wonder what happens if raptors just go **** it, and doubles back on the heat deal so it doesnt happen. I really think it would have been far better for them


The Raptors and Heat do not need the Mavericks at all to complete the trade. The Mavericks clearly want Dragic, so the Raptors are seeing if it is worth their while and they can get an asset or two from them. I am telling you that if Dragic ends up in a Mavericks uniform you are not going to be happy if you are expecting them not to being giving up picks or prospects.


The Mavs only give up assets for Dragic if they view him as an expiring contract. If that’s the case we’re getting getting a longer contract. Mavs don’t actually need Dragic. Reggie Jackson and Schroeder can fill that need. Unless they’re doing it to just keep Doncic happy I don’t see them willing to give more than a couple of seconds.


Yeah, I agree.

Unless Dallas is going to give us some worthwhile assets, I'd probably just hang onto him. An extra guard can't hurt.
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#197 » by douggood » Wed Aug 4, 2021 2:16 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:It doesn't really matter what happens here. This is all a small potatoes return for giving Kyle the send-off he wanted. It's probable that Dallas showed interest in Dragic, and now they're holding a hard offer of Powell/WCS with the expectation that Dragic's agent can reliably pressure the Raptors to cave.

we did no favors to kyle, this had nothing to do with kyle, he is just part of the transaction. we did a favor to the heat giving them the ability to sign PJ tucker and morris.

people need to get this notion out of thier heads that we traded kyle for dragic and achiuwa, on paper thats what happened and reported, but it was just a means to an end for heat to get flexiblity, and raptors to get something for nothing.
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Post#198 » by Indeed » Wed Aug 4, 2021 2:17 pm

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Indeed wrote:
I believe Lowry can have up to 10% raise per year, meaning his contract can be 90m [27.79m, 30m, 32.21m] with only Dragic and Achiuwa.

The second question perhaps it has to do with roster spots?
Siakam, OG, VanVleet, Trent, Boucher, Flynn, Watanabe, Gillespie, Barnes, Achiuwa, Dekker, David Johnson, Banton, Powell = 14 out of 17 spots. With 3 spots, and outside of Banton and David Johnson, I am unsure anyone else can be used with the 2-way contract (Gillespie?). If we need to add another big C or a scoring guard, then we have no roster spot.


13. Dekker to 905 guaranteed. Question is does Achuiwa bounce Gillespie? Or does Boucher get dealt sooner because of his impending raise next year?

PG: Fred/Malachi/Dragic
SG: Trent Jr./Dragic/Yuta
SF: OG/ Barnes/Yuta
PF: Paskal/Barnes/Achuiwa
Centre: Birch/Boucher/Achuiwa or Birch/Achuiwa/Gillespie

Boucher???


I personally prefer Birch to Powell at this point. Powell's rebounding leaves a lot to be desired and I'd like our 5 men to be dedicated to defense and rebounding. Powell also doesn't make up enough for it offensively. He can shoot the 3, but you don't want him shooting it anymore than Birch. His midrange game and P and R are better, but Birch looks to pass more and I just like his fit.

Let Precious and Birch fight it out for who is the starter at the 5, as either pair pretty well with Boucher in my opinion off the bench. Basically it sounds like Dallas is willing to give up salary, but I'm not that high on their prospects like Green, and if I'm taking that salary I want a 1st back. I understand they may not want to give a 1st for Dragic, but if we can squeeze him in lineup without hitting the tax, I hold onto him. I still want to make playoffs this year and really think he could help as our depth would be very solid. Depth is nice in the regular season. If Dragic is effective all year, somebody may give you that late 1st and an expiring, if they are all in.


I don't see teams view Dragic as an asset. It is more an expiring, where we will be getting bad contracts for future picks. Therefore, I am more interested in flipping Dragic now. I mean even the Mavs aren't giving us expiring, so you can see the value is rather low.

Meanwhile, I prefer Birch, and would rather flip Achuiwa for a real C (7'4 wingspan or longer). I believe we have to use our MLE on Birch, which gives us no room to add another scoring guard. Not just our C is weak (too many PF), our scoring guard is weak as well (VanVleet, Trent cannot use dribble to get separation, Flynn does not have enough strength, David Johnson is a rookie).

I wonder if it is better off for us to S&T Oladipo instead (7m with 3 seasons, last season unguarantee) with Achuiwa, and we flip Dragic for Powell.
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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#199 » by Asif16 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 2:18 pm

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Re: Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic) 

Post#200 » by Indeed » Wed Aug 4, 2021 2:19 pm

douggood wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:It doesn't really matter what happens here. This is all a small potatoes return for giving Kyle the send-off he wanted. It's probable that Dallas showed interest in Dragic, and now they're holding a hard offer of Powell/WCS with the expectation that Dragic's agent can reliably pressure the Raptors to cave.

we did no favors to kyle, this had nothing to do with kyle, he is just part of the transaction. we did a favor to the heat giving them the ability to sign PJ tucker and morris.


The Heat can't sign Lowry outright, so we are doing a favour to Lowry to sign at the price he gets. To do this, Heat needs to do S&T with Dragic, that is the only way for them.

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