Importance of acquiring a 7 footer

[will]

Turner is way too unreliable.

When he is on...OHHHMMYYYGAAAWDDDDDD.

When he ain't...he really ain't.

Now with that being said, I don't believe that the Turner and Sabonis really compliment each other on either side of the floor.

[Johnny Bball]

Masai drafted Faried for Denver. Maybe he doesn't believe in big 5s? There were options in 2nd round last draft. There are a few interesting prospects this draft also. Not sure this small ball 5 is viable. Also, seems to be an injury risk for our players. Perhaps 3 centres on the roster is needed.

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

[HumbleRen]

Masai drafted Faried for Denver. Maybe he doesn't believe in big 5s? There were options in 2nd round last draft. There are a few interesting prospects this draft also. Not sure this small ball 5 is viable. Also, seems to be an injury risk for our players. Perhaps 3 centres on the roster is needed.

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

None of those teams used it as a full time thing though lol.

Bucks/Lakers/Raptors all had 7 footers anchoring the defense. If anything, the league is trending back to bigs.

It feels like we're 5 years late to the party except we have no generational talent to even make smallball five even worthwhile.

[Johnny Bball]

Masai drafted Faried for Denver. Maybe he doesn't believe in big 5s? There were options in 2nd round last draft. There are a few interesting prospects this draft also. Not sure this small ball 5 is viable. Also, seems to be an injury risk for our players. Perhaps 3 centres on the roster is needed.

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

None of those teams used it as a full time thing though lol.

Bucks/Lakers/Raptors all had 7 footers anchoring the defense. If anything, the league is trending back to bigs.

It feels like we're 5 years late to the party except we have no generational talent to even make smallball five even worthwhile.

Nobody is going back. If anything its only going to accelerate.

[HumbleRen]

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

None of those teams used it as a full time thing though lol.

Bucks/Lakers/Raptors all had 7 footers anchoring the defense. If anything, the league is trending back to bigs.

It feels like we're 5 years late to the party except we have no generational talent to even make smallball five even worthwhile.

Nobody is going back. If anything its only going to accelerate.

Lakers, Raptors, Bucks are all jumbo sized teams who all won the last 3 chips.

Chet, Victor, etc are all top 2 prospects for the next 2 years while being 7 foot or taller.

Embiid, AD, Jokic, Giannis, Mobley, KD.

Contenders with a big in the starting line up.

Rudy Gobert, Ayton, Bam.

It's trending back towards bigs who are versatile or elite in a specific way.


All the Raptors are doing is showing up late to the party while claiming we're on some new **** when everyone else has started to move on.

[Johnny Bball]

None of those teams used it as a full time thing though lol.

Bucks/Lakers/Raptors all had 7 footers anchoring the defense. If anything, the league is trending back to bigs.

It feels like we're 5 years late to the party except we have no generational talent to even make smallball five even worthwhile.

Nobody is going back. If anything its only going to accelerate.

Lakers, Raptors, Bucks are all jumbo sized teams who all won the last 3 chips.

Chet, Victor, etc are all top 2 prospects for the next 2 years while being 7 foot or taller.

Embiid, AD, Jokic, Giannis, Mobley, KD.

Contenders with a big in the starting line up.

Rudy Gobert, Ayton, Bam.

It's trending back towards bigs who are versatile or elite in a specific way.


All the Raptors are doing is showing up late to the party while claiming we're on some new **** when everyone else has started to move on.

Davis at centre is the only way the Lakers win. Bucks switched out Lopez for GA, finally. Raptors had Ibaka.

Bam is precisely a smallball centre. Gobert was nullified last year by making him play the perimeter which is why the Jazz lost. Ayton is at least mobile enough to span between both but is a first overall pick.

Holmgren doesn't defend Centre most times thatI see, that's Timme, but people don't look close maybe. He'll guard smaller guys in the NBA and... he's also projected first overall right? And you think he couldn't be and shouldn't be guarded by a centre that is quick and not just an old school big? I disagree.

Nah man. It's full steam ahead. The only way to be versatile is to be quick, and quick is smaller but longer almost every case except the outliers. I agree this argument/discussion is five years late though.

[HumbleRen]

Nobody is going back. If anything its only going to accelerate.

Lakers, Raptors, Bucks are all jumbo sized teams who all won the last 3 chips.

Chet, Victor, etc are all top 2 prospects for the next 2 years while being 7 foot or taller.

Embiid, AD, Jokic, Giannis, Mobley, KD.

Contenders with a big in the starting line up.

Rudy Gobert, Ayton, Bam.

It's trending back towards bigs who are versatile or elite in a specific way.


All the Raptors are doing is showing up late to the party while claiming we're on some new **** when everyone else has started to move on.

Davis at centre is the only way the Lakers win. Bucks switched out Lopez for GA, finally. Raptors had Ibaka.

Bam is precisely a smallball centre. Gobert was nullified last year by making him play the perimeter which is why the Jazz lost. Ayton is at least mobile enough to span between both but is a first overall pick.

Holmgren doesn't defend Centre most times thatI see, that's Timme, but people don't look close maybe. He'll guard smaller guys in the NBA and... he's also projected first overall right? And you think he couldn't be and shouldn't be guarded by a centre that is quick and not just an old school big? I disagree.

Nah man. It's full steam ahead. The only way to be versatile is to be quick, and quick is smaller but longer almost every case except the outliers. I agree this argument/discussion is five years late though.

AD is 6'11 dude lol. Bam is 6'10 who plays as physical as any traditional center. Giannis is 7 foot.

Gobert is the reason why Utah is so good, Utah's problem was not being able to adapt, that's not on Gobert. Ibaka is 7 foot himself.

You're proving my point lol. The key to success is adaptability, going full smallball is the opposite of that. Look how that worked out for the Houston Rockets.

[JJ From Deep]

Masai drafted Faried for Denver. Maybe he doesn't believe in big 5s? There were options in 2nd round last draft. There are a few interesting prospects this draft also. Not sure this small ball 5 is viable. Also, seems to be an injury risk for our players. Perhaps 3 centres on the roster is needed.

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

None of those teams used it as a full time thing though lol.

Bucks/Lakers/Raptors all had 7 footers anchoring the defense. If anything, the league is trending back to bigs.

It feels like we're 5 years late to the party except we have no generational talent to even make smallball five even worthwhile.

Scottie is generational…he really has that special type of talent superstars are moulded from

[HumbleRen]

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

None of those teams used it as a full time thing though lol.

Bucks/Lakers/Raptors all had 7 footers anchoring the defense. If anything, the league is trending back to bigs.

It feels like we're 5 years late to the party except we have no generational talent to even make smallball five even worthwhile.

Scottie is generational

I hope so but I'm not as optimistic as you are.

[Pooh_Jeter]

The Golden State Warriors have the greatest small ball lineup in NBA history and even they have relied on actual size. Bogut/Ezeli in the early years and then using a top pick on Wiseman plus Looney.

If you are going to regularly play small ball its with legitimate HOF caliber players, not Precious Achiuwa and a cast of supporting players that don't even fit all that well together.

As Humbleren has been pointing out, size is still very important. It's just that the players with size also have a lot of guard skills. It's why Gobert doesn't have the same success as Jokic, Bam, Giannis, AD, etc

[WaltFrazier]

Masai drafted Faried for Denver. Maybe he doesn't believe in big 5s? There were options in 2nd round last draft. There are a few interesting prospects this draft also. Not sure this small ball 5 is viable. Also, seems to be an injury risk for our players. Perhaps 3 centres on the roster is needed.

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

2019 Raptors rarely played without one of Gasol or Serge

[Johnny Bball]

Lakers, Raptors, Bucks are all jumbo sized teams who all won the last 3 chips.

Chet, Victor, etc are all top 2 prospects for the next 2 years while being 7 foot or taller.

Embiid, AD, Jokic, Giannis, Mobley, KD.

Contenders with a big in the starting line up.

Rudy Gobert, Ayton, Bam.

It's trending back towards bigs who are versatile or elite in a specific way.


All the Raptors are doing is showing up late to the party while claiming we're on some new **** when everyone else has started to move on.

Davis at centre is the only way the Lakers win. Bucks switched out Lopez for GA, finally. Raptors had Ibaka.

Bam is precisely a smallball centre. Gobert was nullified last year by making him play the perimeter which is why the Jazz lost. Ayton is at least mobile enough to span between both but is a first overall pick.

Holmgren doesn't defend Centre most times thatI see, that's Timme, but people don't look close maybe. He'll guard smaller guys in the NBA and... he's also projected first overall right? And you think he couldn't be and shouldn't be guarded by a centre that is quick and not just an old school big? I disagree.

Nah man. It's full steam ahead. The only way to be versatile is to be quick, and quick is smaller but longer almost every case except the outliers. I agree this argument/discussion is five years late though.

AD is 6'11 dude lol. Bam is 6'10 who plays as physical as any traditional center. Giannis is 7 foot.

Gobert is the reason why Utah is so good, Utah's problem was not being able to adapt, that's not on Gobert. Ibaka is 7 foot himself.

You're proving my point lol. The key to success is adaptability, going full smallball is the opposite of that. Look how that worked out for the Houston Rockets.

Huh??

Bam is 6-9. AD (6-10) has always played PF and has almost always shied away from the C position even though it's best for his team he plays there. How is this proving your point. It's the definition of smallball. Maybe you think it's something else but its not centres of the past, that's for sure, a n d we are not returning to that. And that's why JV was traded twice, and its why Drummond, Howard, etc. barely have a place in the league and play for the minimum.

https://www.thehoopsgeek.com/average-nba-height/

[Johnny Bball]

Masai drafted Faried for Denver. Maybe he doesn't believe in big 5s? There were options in 2nd round last draft. There are a few interesting prospects this draft also. Not sure this small ball 5 is viable. Also, seems to be an injury risk for our players. Perhaps 3 centres on the roster is needed.

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

2019 Raptors rarely played without one of Gasol or Serge

And Serge played almost exclusively PF before we moved him to C.

This is an older concept than people realize I think.

[WaltFrazier]

GSW is a rare team that can't be copied, but even they have Looney a real center and Draymond who plays much bigger than his height. OG and Pascal can't do what Draymond does.

PHX is a game behind GSW, they have a center starting and JaVale to back him up. And Kaminsky as 3rd C who played when Ayton was out. Jazz got Whiteside to backup Gobert; they are committed to center play. Sixers got Drummond to backup Embiid. Celtics have Kanter as 3rd C. Cleveland has 4 bigs. On and on it goes. And we are trying to buck the trend without remotely having the personnel to be successful.

[WaltFrazier]

Every team in the last 7-8 years had a smallball five that was essential to them winning a championship.

2019 Raptors rarely played without one of Gasol or Serge

And Serge played almost exclusively PF before we moved him to C.

This is an older concept than people realize I think.

For sure guys who were PFs A decade ago are centers now. Even Antonio Davis was a 4 in Indiana before playing 5 here. But given that change, the successful teams still have big centers within the new style.

And Serge is 7'0

[HumbleRen]

GSW is a rare team that can't be copied, but even they have Looney a real center and Draymond who plays much bigger than his height. OG and Pascal can't do what Draymond does.

PHX is a game behind GSW, they have a center starting and JaVale to back him up. And Kaminsky as 3rd C who played when Ayton was out. Jazz got Whiteside to backup Gobert; they are committed to center play. Sixers got Drummond to backup Embiid. Celtics have Kanter as 3rd C. Cleveland has 4 bigs. On and on it goes. And we are trying to buck the trend without remotely having the personnel to be successful.

You’re spitting bars right now

[Pooh_Jeter]

It's also much more than just size/length. Mentality, strength, durability and IQ all play a huge role.

Dwight was the most dominant centre in the league for a good 5+ years and he is probably 6'8 without shoes. Ben Wallace is a similar height. These are two of the most dominant defensive players of the last 20 years.

It's why a guy like AD doesn't want to play centre, he simply can't take that level of intensity playing full time centre. Even someone like Draymond who clearly has the toughness and mentality can't be doing it full time and has had injury issues the last couple years.

How many more players are going to go down with soft tissue injuries before someone realizes this isn't sustainable? Precious is out there with physio tape on his shoulder every game and Birch has a wonky knee from wear and tear. OG has a history of durability concerns, Siakam just got back from a major injury and Scottie is playing through an injury. When you play a small ball lineup it isn't just the centre who is subject to increase wear and tear, it's the entire team because they all need to step up their physicality to make up for the lack of size. This coupled with the heavy minutes and aggressive scheme is a recipe for disaster.

[Johnny Bball]

It's also much more than just size/length. Mentality, strength, durability and IQ all play a huge role.

Dwight was the most dominant centre in the league for a good 5+ years and he is probably 6'8 without shoes. Ben Wallace is a similar height. These are two of the most dominant defensive players of the last 20 years.

It's why a guy like AD doesn't want to play centre, he simply can't take that level of intensity playing full time centre. Even someone like Draymond who clearly has the toughness and mentality can't be doing it full time and has had injury issues the last couple years.

How many more players are going to go down with soft tissue injuries before someone realizes this isn't sustainable? Precious is out there with physio tape on his shoulder every game and Birch has a wonky knee from wear and tear. OG has a history of durability concerns, Siakam just got back from a major injury and Scottie is playing through an injury. When you play a small ball lineup it isn't just the centre who is subject to increase wear and tear, it's the entire team because they all need to step up their physicality to make up for the lack of size. This coupled with the heavy minutes and aggressive scheme is a recipe for disaster.

Just say what you really mean... most importantly a big slow centre would rack up more losses.

"Play all the young guys who cares about wins, just not Achiuwa and just not in this circumstance, because, well just because."

[Los_29]

GSW is a rare team that can't be copied, but even they have Looney a real center and Draymond who plays much bigger than his height. OG and Pascal can't do what Draymond does.

PHX is a game behind GSW, they have a center starting and JaVale to back him up. And Kaminsky as 3rd C who played when Ayton was out. Jazz got Whiteside to backup Gobert; they are committed to center play. Sixers got Drummond to backup Embiid. Celtics have Kanter as 3rd C. Cleveland has 4 bigs. On and on it goes. And we are trying to buck the trend without remotely having the personnel to be successful.

The Suns lost because the Bucks went small. Whiteside barely plays. Drummond is terrible. Kanter never plays. Cleveland stinks. What point are you trying to prove here?

And Looney plays 18 minutes a night and is 6'9, 225lbs who played forward in college. He's far from a real center.

[Los_29]

2019 Raptors rarely played without one of Gasol or Serge

And Serge played almost exclusively PF before we moved him to C.

This is an older concept than people realize I think.

And Serge is 7'0

Stop it. No he's not.