WT: Raptors have been offered 3 FRPs for OG (Smh its just the Knicks)

_MidNight_ · Post #181 » by **_MidNight_** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:09 pm

Nothing to see here boys, it's just the Knicks picks.

alienchild · Post #182 » by **alienchild** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:10 pm

It's moot, because OG won't be traded within the Atlantic Division, maybe not even within the EC.

TorontoBarneys · Post #183 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:13 pm

OG to NOP is one of the only offers I see being realistic. They have the assets to get him and can afford to overpay to do so, and we should only be looking at packages that overpay on him, because we haven no need of letting him go.

MikeM · Post #184 » by **MikeM** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:16 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
MikeM wrote:This is the absolute pinnacle of sell high territory. An insane precedent sent by Gobert trade plus OG's peak value before his contract comes up plus so many suitors in a wide open championship landscape.

Opening offer we received seems like 3 firsts. Which means.. we will hold him.

Especially when it's 3 protected 1sts that could ultimately become 2nds.

The opening offer for a 0.76 ws/48 player is 3 protected 1sts. Just imagine the overpay possible as the deadline nears.

Boogie_Smooth · Post #185 » by **Boogie_Smooth** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:29 pm

alienchild wrote:It's moot, because OG won't be traded within the Atlantic Division, maybe not even within the EC.

I don't think Masai/Bobby cares too much where he ends up, probably looking at highest possible value.

Boogie_Smooth · Post #186 » by **Boogie_Smooth** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:32 pm

MikeM wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
MikeM wrote:This is the absolute pinnacle of sell high territory. An insane precedent sent by Gobert trade plus OG's peak value before his contract comes up plus so many suitors in a wide open championship landscape.

Opening offer we received seems like 3 firsts. Which means.. we will hold him.

Especially when it's 3 protected 1sts that could ultimately become 2nds.

The opening offer for a 0.76 ws/48 player is 3 protected 1sts. Just imagine the overpay possible as the deadline nears.

We need the Knicks, Nola, Orlando, and Memphis to either go on a losing streak or a winning streak. That should drive up the price for our players pretty significantly. Assuming they either feel like they need help to either right the ship, or maybe believe that they are closer then they really are.

Dark horse is some of these new owners to meddle in the front office, I see the new owner of the Suns maybe pushing for a all in trade. I wonder too if the Sacramento owner is still involved in FO decisions. I would seriously see if either of those teams can be taken advantage of as the trade deadline looms.

NinjaBro · Post #187 » by **NinjaBro** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:51 pm

Hell Naw, Naw Naw Naw

No OG for Knicks

YogurtProducer · Post #188 » by **YogurtProducer** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:12 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:OG to NOP is one of the only offers I see being realistic. They have the assets to get him and can afford to overpay to do so, and we should only be looking at packages that overpay on him, because we haven no need of letting him go.

That is pretty much how we should view most trades outside of FVV/GTJ if we fear we are going to lose them for nothing. No need to lose a trade for no reason other than a "shake up"

Post #189 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:14 pm

We were definitely not offered any "decemt" picks they have.

Knicks have more leaks in the front office than at a beer festival.

OakleyDokely · Post #190 » by **OakleyDokely** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:18 pm

The Knicks have been offering those same picks for everyone -- Mitchell, Murray, OG etc

Teams would be more interested if they were offering up their own unprotected picks.

WeThe2019Champs · Post #191 » by **WeThe2019Champs** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:28 pm

Take FVV instead.

Post #192 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:43 pm

Trade our players to the west!!

Jadoogar · Post #193 » by **Jadoogar** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:43 pm

alienchild wrote:It's moot, because OG won't be traded within the Atlantic Division, maybe not even within the EC.

This kind of thinking led the spurs to accept a subpar package for Kawhi. They didn't want to trade Kawhi to the west, specifically the Lakers. The opposite team should never be a factor in trade discussions, you should accept the best package available.

will · Post #194 » by **will** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:45 pm

The edit to the thread title!

ontnut · Post #195 » by **ontnut** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:48 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
alienchild wrote:It's moot, because OG won't be traded within the Atlantic Division, maybe not even within the EC.

This kind of thinking led the spurs to accept a subpar package for Kawhi. They didn't want to trade Kawhi to the west, specifically the Lakers. The opposite team should never be a factor in trade discussions, you should accept the best package available.

TBF though, they weren't ready to rebuild as they had a vet team, and an AS in LMA. Getting back another All-NBA type in Derozan was one of their priorities. I don't recall the Lakers having such a player to deal.
They returned an all-star/all-NBA player, a future top 10 C on a rookie deal who they can use to extract 2 1sts now, and a 1st (29th) where they picked Keldon Johnson, currently averaging 21/5/2...so...Looks like they did pretty good on that deal in the end...

KL78192020 · Post #196 » by **KL78192020** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:57 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The Knicks have been offering those same picks for everyone -- Mitchell, Murray, OG etc

Teams would be more interested if they were offering up their own unprotected picks.

The Dallas pick is better than the Knicks pick this year, I doubt Dallas ends up bottom 10 into protection territory.

Lord_Zedd · Post #197 » by **Lord_Zedd** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:00 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The Knicks have been offering those same picks for everyone -- Mitchell, Murray, OG etc

Teams would be more interested if they were offering up their own unprotected picks.

Fact that Grimes was valued more than those picks, says alot.

Which is why Donovan Mitchell is a Cav instead of a Knick.

NotMyKawhi · Post #198 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:03 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:The Knicks have been offering those same picks for everyone -- Mitchell, Murray, OG etc

Teams would be more interested if they were offering up their own unprotected picks.

Fact that Grimes was valued more than those picks, says alot.

Which is why Donovan Mitchell is a Cav instead of a Knick.

I'm going to remember all of these peoples posts when OG leaves in Free agency for nothing and all those picks end up in the 10-18 range.

OG was taken in the 20s btw

alienchild · Post #199 » by **alienchild** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:11 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
alienchild wrote:It's moot, because OG won't be traded within the Atlantic Division, maybe not even within the EC.

This kind of thinking led the spurs to accept a subpar package for Kawhi. They didn't want to trade Kawhi to the west, specifically the Lakers. The opposite team should never be a factor in trade discussions, you should accept the best package available.

Do you really think Masai would do the same? OG is not a distressed asset like Kawhi was for the Spurs. Masai would keep OG. One of the most powerful negotiating tools is the ability to say no.

Jadoogar · Post #200 » by **Jadoogar** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:17 pm

alienchild wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
alienchild wrote:It's moot, because OG won't be traded within the Atlantic Division, maybe not even within the EC.

This kind of thinking led the spurs to accept a subpar package for Kawhi. They didn't want to trade Kawhi to the west, specifically the Lakers. The opposite team should never be a factor in trade discussions, you should accept the best package available.

Do you really think Masai would do the same? OG is not a distressed asset like Kawhi was for the Spurs. Masai would keep OG. One of the most powerful negotiating tools is the ability to say no.

No i don't think Masai will do that. That was my point. We shouldn't care where he ends up as long as we get the best return we can. Limiting our trade partners to just WC teams cuts our potential partners in half.