Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[Fairview4Life]

1) ignored what I said, post championship. Does he get a trump card forever bc of kawhi? Kawhi got us that ship


Precious is okay but lets calm down. Championship hangover for 5 years? lol whole lot of excuses. BC's big 3 of Lowry, DD and JV did carry MU to success for a while before kawhi brought us a championship.

MU didn't come into a horrible situation. The same big 3 carried him for years. He isn't as good as you give him credit for.

How was he suppose to get value for Kawhi and Danny Green post championship?

Precious for a SnT is a really decent return.

Yes, 5 years. What have our picks been? Where have they been? The only high pick he had he delivered on. He had to sell a lot of picks to get us that title

He sold those picks for money 99% of the time. Cash considerations over and over. Trading 1sts to get off carroll. giving 1sts to the spurs to save some money. I'll give him credit for having to deal w cheap owners but he came into a good situation. JV, Lowry and DD big three and Ross who had lots of trade value. Rudy Gay had trade value. Had the former #1 pick on top of that. He had assets

You think he traded a first to the Spurs...to save money? Unless you mean making the playoff money from getting Kawhi?

[NotMyKawhi]

How was he suppose to get value for Kawhi and Danny Green post championship?

Precious for a SnT is a really decent return.

Yes, 5 years. What have our picks been? Where have they been? The only high pick he had he delivered on. He had to sell a lot of picks to get us that title

He sold those picks for money 99% of the time. Cash considerations over and over. Trading 1sts to get off carroll. giving 1sts to the spurs to save some money. I'll give him credit for having to deal w cheap owners but he came into a good situation. JV, Lowry and DD big three and Ross who had lots of trade value. Rudy Gay had trade value. Had the former #1 pick on top of that. He had assets

You think he traded a first to the Spurs...to save money? Unless you mean making the playoff money from getting Kawhi?

last year he traded a 1st to the spurs for thad young lol

[NotMyKawhi]

I'm just saying, history shows he chooses to retool over a rebuild. That's why you'll hear names like Ayton, Simmons, Cam johnson is older.

You often hear how raptors don't want picks, they want to retool.

[Fairview4Life]

He sold those picks for money 99% of the time. Cash considerations over and over. Trading 1sts to get off carroll. giving 1sts to the spurs to save some money. I'll give him credit for having to deal w cheap owners but he came into a good situation. JV, Lowry and DD big three and Ross who had lots of trade value. Rudy Gay had trade value. Had the former #1 pick on top of that. He had assets

You think he traded a first to the Spurs...to save money? Unless you mean making the playoff money from getting Kawhi?

last year he traded a 1st to the spurs for thad young lol

And got back an early 2nd. Who they signed for 3 years.

The 22/23 rookie scale for the 21st pick is:
$2,340,500
$2,457,600
$2,574,700

Koloko signed for:
$1,500,000
$1,700,000
$2,000,000

A whopping cash savings of $2,172,800, or $724,267/year.

"Cash considerations"? Lol.

[Spida888]

I don't see GSW being interested in Fred. They're already deep into the tax and Fred will just add to that if they retain him. Plus he would probably hit the bench when Curry comes back unless they play small ball.

OG, I can seem them interested in though.

[LarSiN]

MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was

Dude ... we get it, you don't have to keep endlessly posting about how Masai isn't what he was

[douggood]

You think he traded a first to the Spurs...to save money? Unless you mean making the playoff money from getting Kawhi?

last year he traded a 1st to the spurs for thad young lol

And got back an early 2nd. Who they signed for 3 years.

The 22/23 rookie scale for the 21st pick is:
$2,340,500
$2,457,600
$2,574,700

Koloko signed for:
$1,500,000
$1,700,000
$2,000,000

A whopping cash savings of $2,172,800, or $724,267/year.

"Cash considerations"? Lol.

didnt the dragic thad young trade move us under the tax
that move saved more than 10 million, the tax savings and the payment from the league

[Madvillainy2004]

MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was

messing up a top 5 pick is easy, could have easily been suggs if the mocks, projections, board etc would have made the pick.

The reason teams like the Knicks, Kings, Timberwolves, and Hornets are stuck in the lotto forever isn't because they mess up their late firsts or 2nds those are usually just a bonus if you get high impact players there. It's because they mess up their high value lottery picks. Hitting the high pick is much much more important than finding rotation players late in drafts.

[NotMyKawhi]

You think he traded a first to the Spurs...to save money? Unless you mean making the playoff money from getting Kawhi?

last year he traded a 1st to the spurs for thad young lol

And got back an early 2nd. Who they signed for 3 years.

The 22/23 rookie scale for the 21st pick is:
$2,340,500
$2,457,600
$2,574,700

Koloko signed for:
$1,500,000
$1,700,000
$2,000,000

A whopping cash savings of $2,172,800, or $724,267/year.

"Cash considerations"? Lol.

you don't understand the game. The Dragic trade we sent out more money than we took back. We were 10k below the tax line prior to dragic trade. With incentives we could have been pushed into the tax. we saved money on this trade

[positivetension]

MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was

1. We won a title
2. We made it to game 7 of the second round (neither had much value anyways)
3. We got precious
4. Championship hangover
5. He hasn't kept it together yet, so you can hold something against him that he hasn't done.

Just a terrible terrible take.

That poster ignores everything anyone says and simply posts the same thing over and over again. If my kids ever ask me what a troll is, I'll save this and show them.

I used to think they were a troll but I'm pretty sure they just have a toddler brain.

[Rapsfan07]

I've been fairly critical about MU in the recent past and I do think that this board does have rose-colored glasses on when it comes to him. I also do agree that ever since winning the chip, he's been quite lackluster, with the exception of going against the grain and choosing Barnes over Suggs.

But there's no way he could have gotten value in a deal for Kawhi and Green. The purpose of that deal was to take ONE shot at the chip and if we failed, hopefully resign those guys. Thankfully, it worked out and we got it on the first try.

I think losing Ibaka and Gasol for nothing is fair criticism.

I believe he got greedy on the Lowry deal and ended up having to take Precious. Not horrible haul for a guy you were going to lose anyway and I can't prove there was definitely more on the table but still.

This deadline and offseason will be HUGE. It will be very hard to defend him if both OG and FVV are still on the team after the deadline, though I know there will be those who will try. There always is.

[pingpongrac]

Harris, Patty Mills, Cam Thomas, Philly '27, Dallas '29 for Fred, Khem.

Is FVV really worth that much on the trade market as an expiring contract?

Probably pretty close to it for a team like the Nets that wouldn't have room to bring FVV in otherwise. Harris is a bad contract (19M this season and 20M next season) and Mills is basically deadweight at this point (7M and has only played a total of 430 minutes this season) similar to Birch. You could just take Mills/Birch out of the deal and think of it as FVV for Thomas + PHI '27 with DAL '29 being used to get off the last year of the Harris deal. Maybe a slight overpay from the Nets, but it makes them a lot more competitive this season.

[Fairview4Life]

last year he traded a 1st to the spurs for thad young lol

And got back an early 2nd. Who they signed for 3 years.

The 22/23 rookie scale for the 21st pick is:
$2,340,500
$2,457,600
$2,574,700

Koloko signed for:
$1,500,000
$1,700,000
$2,000,000

A whopping cash savings of $2,172,800, or $724,267/year.

"Cash considerations"? Lol.

you don't understand the game. The Dragic trade we sent out more money than we took back. We were 10k below the tax line prior to dragic trade. With incentives we could have been pushed into the tax. we saved money on this trade

That's great and all, but we got back a useful player for one who is not.

[wegotthabeet]

MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was

1. We won a title
2. We made it to game 7 of the second round (neither had much value anyways)
3. We got precious
4. Championship hangover
5. He hasn't kept it together yet, so you can hold something against him that he hasn't done.

Just a terrible terrible take.

Losing Kawhi for nothing is absolutely hilarious. Should've maximized his value at the deadline lmao

not that i disagree with you, but it would've been great if he could have somehow finessed the situation to get SGA. i get that it's much easier said than done.

looking back it was pretty obvious that kawhi wasn't coming back, even post chip and they could have tried to use some combo of lowry + gasol or ibaka to get SGA via a sign + trade. that would've been the 4D chess move. you get the chip then immediately pivot to SGA + OG + Siakam young core. the 2020 team was a really good team, but not a championship level team like 2019.

sign + trade: lowry + gasol for sga + gallo + zubac + beverley + picks

[artsncrafts]

Raptors will do nothing or double down and trade a future first and try to make the play in.

[SurgeIblocka]

1. We won a title
2. We made it to game 7 of the second round (neither had much value anyways)
3. We got precious
4. Championship hangover
5. He hasn't kept it together yet, so you can hold something against him that he hasn't done.

Just a terrible terrible take.

Losing Kawhi for nothing is absolutely hilarious. Should've maximized his value at the deadline lmao

not that i disagree with you, but it would've been great if he could have somehow finessed the situation to get SGA. i get that it's much easier said than done.

looking back it was pretty obvious that kawhi wasn't coming back, even post chip and they could have tried to use some combo of lowry + gasol or ibaka to get SGA via a sign + trade. that would've been the 4D chess move. you get the chip then immediately pivot to SGA + OG + Siakam young core. the 2020 team was a really good team, but not a championship level team like 2019.

sign + trade: lowry + gasol for sga + gallo + zubac + beverley + picks

Only on this forum will you find so call fans who think a future with DD and Poetel would have been better than winning a chip even with Kawhi walking for nothing, lol.

What has Demar or Poetel done for their respective teams? Neither has even had them sniff close to the playoffs. But yeah Masai should not have given up the so called future for the championship lol.

Also these trolls also forget Masai pivoted to make a run at Giannis and with his connections the chance was real. If he somehow convinced him to come here with the core around Kawhi still intact, everyone would be singing a different song.

[Psubs]

Harris, Patty Mills, Cam Thomas, Philly '27, Dallas '29 for Fred, Khem.

Is FVV really worth that much on the trade market as an expiring contract?

Probably pretty close to it for a team like the Nets that wouldn't have room to bring FVV in otherwise. Harris is a bad contract (19M this season and 20M next season) and Mills is basically deadweight at this point (7M and has only played a total of 430 minutes this season) similar to Birch. You could just take Mills/Birch out of the deal and think of it as FVV for Thomas + PHI '27 with DAL '29 being used to get off the last year of the Harris deal. Maybe a slight overpay from the Nets, but it makes them a lot more competitive this season.

At least give them Thaddeus instead of Khem to help them in the playoffs.

[StopitLeo]

He sold those picks for money 99% of the time. Cash considerations over and over. Trading 1sts to get off carroll. giving 1sts to the spurs to save some money. I'll give him credit for having to deal w cheap owners but he came into a good situation. JV, Lowry and DD big three and Ross who had lots of trade value. Rudy Gay had trade value. Had the former #1 pick on top of that. He had assets

It's not like he traded lottery picks. Here's the truth about first round picks Masai traded:

1) To get Ibaka he traded the less favourable of the 2017 LAC & TOR picks, which ended up being the 25th pick (Anžejs Pasečņiks). We kept the 23rd pick (acquired from the Vasquez trade) who became OG.

2) To move Carroll he traded what ended up being the 29th pick (Džanan Musa). Who?

3) To get Kawhi he traded what ended up being the 29th pick (Keldon Johnson). I think we came out as winners in this trade.

4) To move Dragic he traded a lottery protected pick that ended up being the 20th pick (Malaki Branham). We got Achiuwa in return who was the 20th pick in the previous draft so pretty much a wash as far as number of draft picks; Precious looks a lot better as a prospect.

None of the 2nd round picks ever traded amounted to anything so I won't go through them.

[SurgeIblocka]

I've been fairly critical about MU in the recent past and I do think that this board does have rose-colored glasses on when it comes to him. I also do agree that ever since winning the chip, he's been quite lackluster, with the exception of going against the grain and choosing Barnes over Suggs.

But there's no way he could have gotten value in a deal for Kawhi and Green. The purpose of that deal was to take ONE shot at the chip and if we failed, hopefully resign those guys. Thankfully, it worked out and we got it on the first try.

I think losing Ibaka and Gasol for nothing is fair criticism.

I believe he got greedy on the Lowry deal and ended up having to take Precious. Not horrible haul for a guy you were going to lose anyway and I can't prove there was definitely more on the table but still.

This deadline and offseason will be HUGE. It will be very hard to defend him if both OG and FVV are still on the team after the deadline, though I know there will be those who will try. There always is.

We all would have liked to get something back for Gasol
And Ibaka but you conveniently forget that he was in play for Giannis. If your trying to get a premiere player you dont trade Gasol, you also dont sign Ibaka to a ridiculous contract tying up your capspace. His plan all along was replace Kawhi with Giannis, but the supermax really screwed up that plan. Players are all about the money now, it worked out well for Giannis but if it didn’t he could have regretted not joining a contending team built to give him a number of championships.

[OakleyDokely]

The Raptors maximized Kawhi's and Green's value by winning a MFing title.