Siakam is shooting the 3 at a historically bad rate, and has a chance to be one of the worst in NBA history.

[LoveMyRaps]

All-NBA Siakam is so back.

[YogurtProducer]

33 games, hit 15 of 22 in 3 games.

In the other 30 games, his 3 pt % was 19.8. Beware of using averages.

Siakam will always just be an erratic 3 pt shooter at this point.

You realize you can do that for any player, both ways? Why don't we just remove the 3 games in which he went 1/16 and conclude that he is actually shooting 33% in the other 30 games (right in line with his career average). We won't do that though, because that is silly and makes no sense.

I am gonna lean on the side of the 500 game sample and say that Siakam is a 32.4% shooter and not the 30 game sample that says 19.8% but hey - maybe I am just crazy here.

The fact of the matter is that lately Siakam has been shooting the ball quite well. 41.3% since December 1st, (and if you remove the outliers aka 5/6, 5/8, 1/5, 0/4) it is still 32% which hey, is right in line with his career average.

If I took out his best 3 and worst 3 games, he averages to roughly 23%. The point is, the most common outcome on his 3 pt shot is erratic shooting. He is what he is at this stage of his career. Sometimes he gets hot, but usually he's not.

The most common outcome on his 3 pt shot is 33%. We have years of data to support this and there is no need to manipulate numbers to get the result you want.

Fact of the matter is he had a horrible start to the year, and now has had a very good shooting month since this thread was made.

**** - we can even play your game, remove the 5/6 and 5/8 outing he had, and he still is shooting 32% since the thread was created.

Since his historically bad start prompting Scase to make the thread he has played 13 games.
He has gone 0-for 5 times
He has shot greater than 50% 6 times
and in the other two games he went 2/5 and 1/5

You are just using the same small sample data points from the first 20 or so games in which he was insanely cold to conclude

[djsunyc]

Siakam is just under a 60 TS, which is by far his best mark since the title year.

He's taking better shots, especially around the rim, which is increasing his efficiency.

amidst the darko negativity, he should also start getting credit for a few things:

maximizing siakam's offense - he's putting him in spots where he can be efficient and limiting the bad iso's

improving scottie's shooting and all around impact

[YogurtProducer]

All-NBA Siakam is so back.

You can make a pretty compelling argument that (offensively) this is the best season of Siakams career, even better than the championship season or his all-nba years.

All-NBA 2nd 2019-20 - 22.9/7.3/3.5 - 55.4TS%
All-NBA 3rd 2021-22 - 22.8/8.5/5.3 - 56.5TS%
2023-24 to Jan 2nd - 22.4/6.5/5.0 - 59.0TS%

[ItsDanger]

You realize you can do that for any player, both ways? Why don't we just remove the 3 games in which he went 1/16 and conclude that he is actually shooting 33% in the other 30 games (right in line with his career average). We won't do that though, because that is silly and makes no sense.

I am gonna lean on the side of the 500 game sample and say that Siakam is a 32.4% shooter and not the 30 game sample that says 19.8% but hey - maybe I am just crazy here.

The fact of the matter is that lately Siakam has been shooting the ball quite well. 41.3% since December 1st, (and if you remove the outliers aka 5/6, 5/8, 1/5, 0/4) it is still 32% which hey, is right in line with his career average.

If I took out his best 3 and worst 3 games, he averages to roughly 23%. The point is, the most common outcome on his 3 pt shot is erratic shooting. He is what he is at this stage of his career. Sometimes he gets hot, but usually he's not.

The most common outcome on his 3 pt shot is 33%. We have years of data to support this and there is no need to manipulate numbers to get the result you want.

Fact of the matter is he had a horrible start to the year, and now has had a very good shooting month since this thread was made.

**** - we can even play your game, remove the 5/6 and 5/8 outing he had, and he still is shooting 32% since the thread was created.

Since his historically bad start prompting Scase to make the thread he has played 13 games.
He has gone 0-for 5 times
He has shot greater than 50% 6 times
and in the other two games he went 2/5 and 1/5

You are just using the same small sample data points from the first 20 or so games in which he was insanely cold to conclude

I don't think he'll maintain these bad rates rest of the way, but if I do a similar measurement last season, it comes out to around 30% from 3. Which for him is basically what kind of 3 pt shooter he is at this point. You guys just like to argue when the basic point is clear, he's not a good 3 pt shooter and it causes issues on this roster. If he limits his volume, its not a huge deal and he's been doing a decent job of that this season.

[LoveMyRaps]

All-NBA Siakam is so back.

You can make a pretty compelling argument that (offensively) this is the best season of Siakams career, even better than the championship season or his all-nba years.

All-NBA 2nd 2019-20 - 22.9/7.3/3.5 - 55.4TS%
All-NBA 3rd 2021-22 - 22.8/8.5/5.3 - 56.5TS%
2023-24 to Jan 2nd - 22.4/6.5/5.0 - 59.0TS%

You've been spitting nothing but facts in this thread today.
He's trending upwards all season long. Got off to a horrendous start but he's been hooping since.

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[Johnny Bball]

The point is that Siakam's long range shot outside 16 ft has gotten worse.

But you guys go ahead and keep derailing by pointing to his high % finishing in the paint touches created by teams.

And do you have any of the volume? Is that ten shots a game or 1 shot a game? You don't know or care? Yet you provide this and accuse others of obfuscating? I can see why you used that word, because its bigger than hypocrisy.

And TS% or paint touches are a hellova a lot more important than the 16-24 foot range where he takes precisely .8 FGA per game, and hits 30% of them.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?TeamID=1610612761&DistanceRange=8ft+Range

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Just bumping this thread to keep us honest

Just bumping this thread to keep us honest

26% on (thankfully) a lower volume, 3.7 v 4 attempts a game. Still on track for the worst season in NBA history even when you drop the criteria to 3.5 attempts a game. Antoine Walker is tied with Mookie at 26.9%.

Side note, I love how you bumped this thread after he went 5/6 the night prior, but crickets otherwise.

That's so weird, right?

Thanks for keeping it going.

10 years down the line, a championship in tow, a new era with a team on the rise that did not involve an all out tank, and TWO continues to be in absolute shambles.

[Johnny Bball]

In a truly astonishing turn of events, as pointed out by some at the time this thread was started, the "historically poor" shooting was never going to continue, and Pascal was going to normalize to something like a bad shooting year for him but nothing really notable beyond that.

All that work and not being able to continue to **** all over everything must be so profoundly dissapointing for him.

[DelAbbot]

His volume is down by choice. He knows his long / 3pt shooting is not good.

The point of the thread, as I understood it, is that Siakam's skill at outside shooting is in decline - that's not a good trend for him. His efficiency in the post (where he "makes his money") drops when there is a big man defending him, and he's not the type to initiate contact to draw fouls in the post (to overcome big defenders). Overall his skill set (and choice of shots) is reverting back to this 2019 game (he's no longer given the freedom to expand his iso game like from 2020-2023), which is fine for a 2nd / 3rd option, but not at a max contract starting at age 30. Also consider his defense has gotten much worse since 2019.

The 2019/2020 version of Siakam deserves a max, but not this version. I estimate 35M for current Siakam, but he wants the max at 47M. And this could be the reason the FO hasn't been able to sign Siakam to an extension yet

[pingpongrac]

If I took out his best 3 and worst 3 games, he averages to roughly 23%. The point is, the most common outcome on his 3 pt shot is erratic shooting. He is what he is at this stage of his career. Sometimes he gets hot, but usually he's not.

The most common outcome on his 3 pt shot is 33%. We have years of data to support this and there is no need to manipulate numbers to get the result you want.

Fact of the matter is he had a horrible start to the year, and now has had a very good shooting month since this thread was made.

**** - we can even play your game, remove the 5/6 and 5/8 outing he had, and he still is shooting 32% since the thread was created.

Since his historically bad start prompting Scase to make the thread he has played 13 games.
He has gone 0-for 5 times
He has shot greater than 50% 6 times
and in the other two games he went 2/5 and 1/5

You are just using the same small sample data points from the first 20 or so games in which he was insanely cold to conclude

I don't think he'll maintain these bad rates rest of the way, but if I do a similar measurement last season, it comes out to around 30% from 3. Which for him is basically what kind of 3 pt shooter he is at this point. You guys just like to argue when the basic point is clear, he's not a good 3 pt shooter and it causes issues on this roster. If he limits his volume, its not a huge deal and he's been doing a decent job of that this season.

Siakam's 3FGA per36 (3.8) and 3PAr (.227) are almost right in line with his numbers from the previous 3 seasons (3.7 3FGA per36 with a .216 3PAr). He has never been a high volume shooter (with the exception of 19/20 when he averaged 6.2 3FGA per36 with a .331 3PAr), but he has almost always been a decent three-point shooter (one bad season at 30% in 20/21, two slightly below average seasons at 32% and 34% in 21/22 and 22/23 and two good seasons at 36% and 37% in 18/19 and 19/20) in totality considering his role/position.

Obviously it would help if Siakam was a 40% three-point shooter, but it's not like he is someone that can't shoot the three at all. The pushback in this thread has always been that Siakam has historically been a streaky shooter on relatively low volume for a star and it was silly to make claims that he'll end up being the worst shooter in history because he had a terrible month of November.

[djsunyc]

Siakam has shot 45.2% on 3's since this thread was created.

As most reasonable people would have predicted, Siakam has had an insanely hot stretch which has started to counteract the "historically bad" start he had. Shockingly - he suddenly did not become a 19.8% 3 point shooter.

He shot 41% in December which is great. He'll get back up to his career numbers at season's end.

37%. 41% includes yesterdays game which was January.

pascal 3-akim.

[MainEvent]

corner 3 is money

[Cyrus]

Noah saving Pascal's 3s!

[Ari_Emanuel]

Siakam is just under a 60 TS, which is by far his best mark since the title year.

He's taking better shots, especially around the rim, which is increasing his efficiency.

There are posters on here trying to convince us that Pascal's age related decline will take effect and accelerate as soon as he sign a max extension.

Yet, there's plenty of evidence that he is improving while adapting to a new role, and it been proven that players like him who rely on length and craftiness can continue sharoening their skills through their early 30s.

Unless an offer knocks us off our chairs, not retaining Pascal could end up haunting this franchise.

[hyper316]

Noah saving Pascal's 3s!

Hasn't Noah system been around for at least 2 training camps?

[Mikistan]

Siakam is just under a 60 TS, which is by far his best mark since the title year.

He's taking better shots, especially around the rim, which is increasing his efficiency.

There are posters on here trying to convince us that Pascal's age related decline will take effect and accelerate as soon as he sign a max extension.

Yet, there's plenty of evidence that he is improving while adapting to a new role, and it been proven that players like him who rely on length and craftiness can continue sharoening their skills through their early 30s.

Unless an offer knocks us off our chairs, not retaining Pascal could end up haunting this franchise.

Its shot diet and assisted fgm percentage that has changed this season compared to the last couple

[lolwut]

He's trending upwards all season long. Got off to a horrendous start but he's been hooping since.

A big part of that was inexplicably missing a bunch of point blank freebies under the basket.

[Ari_Emanuel]

Siakam is just under a 60 TS, which is by far his best mark since the title year.

He's taking better shots, especially around the rim, which is increasing his efficiency.

There are posters on here trying to convince us that Pascal's age related decline will take effect and accelerate as soon as he signs a max extension.

Yet, there's plenty of evidence that he is improving while adapting to a new role, and it's been proven players like him who rely on length and craftiness can continue sharpening their skills through their early 30s.

Unless an offer knocks us off our chairs, not retaining Pascal could end up haunting this franchise.

[TorontoBarneys]

Siakam has been awesome. If his 3pt shot keeps falling and gets defenses to at least respect it, it will do wonders for our spacing.

Our future trajectory is still so up in the air even for this season. The first 2 months were rough but now it's becoming interesting to be a Raps fan.