Pacers Pick Tracking (Update: #19 officially)

[Truthrising]

Pascal is even more useless now on the pacers. He just stands around confused on offense. He doesn't hustle at all looks tired or lazy 90% of the time

Pascal is who he is at this point. He’s advanced stats have shown he’s a negative BPM player, his offensive doesn’t really make up for how poor he is on defence he hasn’t been a winning player the past 2 seasons. Toronto fans have overrated him for the past 2 seasons and is definitely not worth a max contract he believes he deserves. Just glad we got rid of him before the contract negotiations.

[tecumseh18]

Pacers are 4-7 without Hali this season. They were 7-19 without him last year. He's the driving force of that team and he makes their support players look a lot better than they actually are. Once he's back they should be fine again.

I'm guessing that the Pacers assumed Siakam, another ball handler and playmaker, would help them win in Hali's absence. That's what contending teams do - play through injuries and win anyway.

4-7 or 7-19 are not exactly the 17-5 the 2018-2019 Raptors went without Kawhi in the lineup.

[KL78192020]

I don’t think Haliburton has been playing.

Was he ever useless here? We just lost to a G-League team at home and I’m not kidding, we look like a bottom 5 team right now. This is coming from a guy that was actually pretty optimistic about this team. We stink.

The writing was on the wall for this team two years ago, but some of you still thought this was a top team in the east.

2 years ago...during Scotties ROY campaign when Pascal made all nba 3rd team and Fred was an all star and the team won 48 games?

Yes it was. Many could see the selfish play from VV, all he cared about was getting a big contract, many saw how Siakam/Scottie wouldn't last long term together. Those 48 wins were also during covid when a lot of teams didn't send their players to Canada to play. That same team quickly declined to a lottery team last year.

Many predicted this teams downfall and how it was constructed. They were lucky to make the playoffs that year.

[OakleyDokely]

Pacers are 4-7 without Hali this season. They were 7-19 without him last year. He's the driving force of that team and he makes their support players look a lot better than they actually are. Once he's back they should be fine again.

I'm guessing that the Pacers assumed Siakam, another ball handler and playmaker, would help them win in Hali's absence. That's what contending teams do - play through injuries and win anyway.

4-7 or 7-19 are not exactly the 17-5 the 2018-2019 Raptors went without Kawhi in the lineup.

When you breakdown their actual roster, there's not much established talent. Hield and Turner are solid, but they're more support players than real difference makers. Then you have a whole bunch of guys who are young. inexperienced, inconsistent and "untouchable", like Nesmith, Mathurin, Nembhard, Walker, Toppin, Smith etc. There's potential there, but potential doesn't win nba games.

[WuTang_CMB]

Haliburton is their engine. If he's out, that's great for us. My guess is this pick lands anywhere from 13-18

[Fairview4Life]

The writing was on the wall for this team two years ago, but some of you still thought this was a top team in the east.

2 years ago...during Scotties ROY campaign when Pascal made all nba 3rd team and Fred was an all star and the team won 48 games?

Yes it was. Many could see the selfish play from VV, all he cared about was getting a big contract, many saw how Siakam/Scottie wouldn't last long term together. Those 48 wins were also during covid when a lot of teams didn't send their players to Canada to play. That same team quickly declined to a lottery team last year.

Many predicted this teams downfall and how it was constructed. They were lucky to make the playoffs that year.

I would humbly suggest your memory has conflated last year with 2 years ago in some respects.

Which players didn't play in Canada? Who were these lots of teams not sending players? 97% of the players in league were vaccinated before the season even started. The Raps were 24-17 at home and......24-17 on the road that year. They didn't win 48 games on the back of inflated home wins because players couldn't get into the country. They were 5th in the east, not lucky to make the playoffs.

Fred wasn't playing selfishly for a contract in 2021/22. I don't even know where that narrative is coming from. His usage was slightly lower than it was in 2020/21, his assist % was the same and his contract wasn't expiring.

Scottie and Siakam had better numbers when they were on the floor together than they each did when the other was on the bench. They were fine together.

Many have been predicting the teams downfall for over a decade. Who gives a ****?

[Tha Cynic]

Pascal is even more useless now on the pacers. He just stands around confused on offense. He doesn't hustle at all looks tired or lazy 90% of the time

Pascal is who he is at this point. He’s advanced stats have shown he’s a negative BPM player, his offensive doesn’t really make up for how poor he is on defence he hasn’t been a winning player the past 2 seasons. Toronto fans have overrated him for the past 2 seasons and is definitely not worth a max contract he believes he deserves. Just glad we got rid of him before the contract negotiations.

Just like how we have underrated JV over the years for some bizarre reason.

[CoinTossRoss31]

Haliburton is their engine. If he's out, that's great for us. My guess is this pick lands anywhere from 13-18

My guess is 9-12 but Im very optimistic lol

[Dennis 37]

Pascal is even more useless now on the pacers. He just stands around confused on offense. He doesn't hustle at all looks tired or lazy 90% of the time

Pascal is who he is at this point. He’s advanced stats have shown he’s a negative BPM player, his offensive doesn’t really make up for how poor he is on defence he hasn’t been a winning player the past 2 seasons. Toronto fans have overrated him for the past 2 seasons and is definitely not worth a max contract he believes he deserves. Just glad we got rid of him before the contract negotiations.

Just like how we have underrated JV over the years for some bizarre reason.

Always liked JV. Does he still play well?

I still think it is a disgrace that a guy keeping Gasol from falling off the parade float gets a ring but JV doesn't.

[Yeezus_]

Haliburton is their engine. If he's out, that's great for us. My guess is this pick lands anywhere from 13-18

My guess is 9-12 but Im very optimistic lol

If the pick ends up being in the 12-15 range, that's way better than expected. It would be a good consoliation if we don't have our own pick.

[Potential]

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31

Plus potentially more from potential Bruce brown trade

[artsncrafts]

6
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31

Plus potentially more from potential Bruce brown trade

Masai will move up for French Giannis 100%

[mademan]

man was Siakam right to try to stave off a trade. No Hali and he's still an afterthought in that Pacers offense

Looking at his numbers for the whole season (and whats gonna be worse in Indy), how does a good team justify 50mill/year for him? And indy is in kind of a tough spot because a squad like Detroit has nothing to lose and might just offer him that

[Potential]

Pascal Siakam hasn't won an NBA game since January 7th, 2024

[CazOnReal]

It'd helped if the Pacers actually involved Siakam in the offense beyond "oh sh-t the clock is down, do something Pascal!" breakdowns where he has to make something out of nothing.

Meanwhile Mathurin has played like sh-t and gets none of the blame for their 3 game losing streak.

[ConSarnit]

Haliburton is their engine. If he's out, that's great for us. My guess is this pick lands anywhere from 13-18

My guess is 9-12 but Im very optimistic lol

I'd say there is a clear delineation between IND/ORL and CHI/ATL/NETS. Tough to see the Pacers falling past 8th. What we really need:

-trade GTJ to ORL to boost their shooting/offense

-hope CHI makes another dumb win-now move to push for the 7th seed

[DelAbbot]

this is the tWo thread where everyone agrees

[DelAbbot]

We're really going to do this for half a season? Lol

Also, we're only two and a half games back of the play-in?

I have been cheering for losses for 3 years

it's fun!

[TheGeneral99]

If the Pacers are in the play-in and lose it would be hilarious.

And it's not out of the realm...the top half of the East is stacked.

[ItsDanger]

Siakam doesn't impact winning like many want to believe. Certainly, you don't pay $50M for empty calorie stats. Hopefully this 3 game sample has highlighted that he's not a #1 guy.