With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche

[God Squad]

The case for stashing overseas is that his rookie contract doesnt begin until he joins the big club. So that means you dont have to worry about hitting free agency when he's still super raw and should technically get his better years at a cheap rate.

It worked well in the JV situation but don't recall the Bruno part. Comes down to whether the people he'd be working with wherever he plays overseas is a trustworthy situation.

Bruno played on the Mad Ants D-League team. Raptors did not have any ownership of that team, so Bruno didn't get the development opportunity he needed. The team was win focused.

Because of Bruno and the Mad Ants, we got the 905.

Thanks for the breakdown but I won't blame Bruno never being a nba player on that. Most of the world thought he was not nba calibre when we picked him. That one was just a massive miss from Masai, it happens lol.

Bruno was also softer than baby ****. I'll never forget when he cried after being dunked on. People wrote that "at least he's passionate and cared". I thought it was a red flag personally.

But honestly he's turned himself into a good player now after seeing him play for Brazil during the FIBA tournament.

[Jerry Lucas]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2382613&p=113585953#p113585953

Tolzman kinda hinted at Chomche looking back.

[nivisi9]

He'll be g-league all year then be a fun high ceiling big off the bench by next year

with Cooper Flagg

[pilkoids]

did we ever find out what we traded for this pick?

[earth007]

Usually I don't even care about the 2nd round picks. But, for some reason, I have this gut feeling that we got 3 hits in the 2nd round this year. All three guys we picked in the 2nd round have the potential become rotational pieces imo. With a bit of luck, one of them could even become a fringe all star. Down the road, Jakobe may look like the least impressive player out of the four.

[TGM]

Chomche was definitely the most exciting pick. I posted two months ago that this guy moves a bit like Giannis. Not saying he will come even close, but he is ways different from Bruno. Bruno was a very slow and non-agile player. CHOMCHE looks completely different. His dribbling actual looks quite smooth.

[Tripod]

Turning the 905 into a REAL development team again is needed. Have it full of guys we want to develop the right way and not just guys selfishly trying to "get theirs".

A guy like Temple you could see how vocal he was but in a great "older brother" way. He is someone we should try and keep around somehow in a coaching capacity.

[nuggett]

Yup, develop a bench in the G. This is the way.

[PD28]

I miss the days when the 905 had enough talent to actually tune in - we're back baby!

[PushDaRock]

I think Chomche is almost certainly a stash pick, otherwise they could have just signed him as a UDFA if it was going to be on a 2 way. Drafting him allowed us to keep his rights if he plays elsewhere.

I genuinely don’t think he’ll be stashed anywhere. They can’t trust some other team in Europe or wherever to develop his skills & understanding of schematics etc. You can also guarantee that Masai has taken a keen personal interest in seeing Chomche succeed so I highly doubt he’s sent anywhere but will instead work intensively with our staff.

While I hate the Bruno comparisons I do think he’ll be kept end of bench for a good year and a half and then we’ll see him get moved into the rotation if I were to guess.

I was more thinking he would stay in the BAL, in a lower level league to get those game reps. He's hardly played organized basketball. Realistically, he's not ready for the G League right now.

[PhilBlackson]

I think Chomche is almost certainly a stash pick, otherwise they could have just signed him as a UDFA if it was going to be on a 2 way. Drafting him allowed us to keep his rights if he plays elsewhere.

I genuinely don’t think he’ll be stashed anywhere. They can’t trust some other team in Europe or wherever to develop his skills & understanding of schematics etc. You can also guarantee that Masai has taken a keen personal interest in seeing Chomche succeed so I highly doubt he’s sent anywhere but will instead work intensively with our staff.

While I hate the Bruno comparisons I do think he’ll be kept end of bench for a good year and a half and then we’ll see him get moved into the rotation if I were to guess.

I was more thinking he would stay in the BAL, in a lower level league to get those game reps. He's hardly played organized basketball. Realistically, he's not ready for the G League right now.

I don’t think anyone cares thaaaat much about the outcomes in the G-League. Again we kept Bruno there for years & I just don’t see our FO not prioritizing his development being under their tutelage more than anything. I just don’t agree with you on this one.

[PushDaRock]

I genuinely don’t think he’ll be stashed anywhere. They can’t trust some other team in Europe or wherever to develop his skills & understanding of schematics etc. You can also guarantee that Masai has taken a keen personal interest in seeing Chomche succeed so I highly doubt he’s sent anywhere but will instead work intensively with our staff.

While I hate the Bruno comparisons I do think he’ll be kept end of bench for a good year and a half and then we’ll see him get moved into the rotation if I were to guess.

I was more thinking he would stay in the BAL, in a lower level league to get those game reps. He's hardly played organized basketball. Realistically, he's not ready for the G League right now.

I don’t think anyone cares thaaaat much about the outcomes in the G-League. Again we kept Bruno there for years & I just don’t see our FO not prioritizing his development being under their tutelage more than anything. I just don’t agree with you on this one.

We will see what they prioritize. If they don't mind him not playing and having him as strictly a project, that's one route. But, he's hardly played any organized basketball and certainly not at a high level. If they want him getting game reps, the G League isn't the spot.

[mtcan]

I was more thinking he would stay in the BAL, in a lower level league to get those game reps. He's hardly played organized basketball. Realistically, he's not ready for the G League right now.

I don’t think anyone cares thaaaat much about the outcomes in the G-League. Again we kept Bruno there for years & I just don’t see our FO not prioritizing his development being under their tutelage more than anything. I just don’t agree with you on this one.

We will see what they prioritize. If they don't mind him not playing and having him as strictly a project, that's one route. But, he's hardly played any organized basketball and certainly not at a high level. If they want him getting game reps, the G League isn't the spot.

He needs to play. Spending a full season or 2 in the G League makes sense while we still have Poeltl and Olynyk under contract. Olynyk is probably done in 2 years which is when hopefully Chomche is ready for rotation minutes.

He needs to play though...and not garbage time and not 5 minutes a game with the big club.

[niQ]

did we ever find out what we traded for this pick?

Masai is so back he obtained the pick with an expired bag of chips.

[PhilBlackson]

I was more thinking he would stay in the BAL, in a lower level league to get those game reps. He's hardly played organized basketball. Realistically, he's not ready for the G League right now.

I don’t think anyone cares thaaaat much about the outcomes in the G-League. Again we kept Bruno there for years & I just don’t see our FO not prioritizing his development being under their tutelage more than anything. I just don’t agree with you on this one.

We will see what they prioritize. If they don't mind him not playing and having him as strictly a project, that's one route. But, he's hardly played any organized basketball and certainly not at a high level. If they want him getting game reps, the G League isn't the spot.

The whole purpose of our G League team is to get our end of bench players reps and I think you’re completely overvaluing the importance of those games there. Again it doesn’t make much sense to send him somewhere where they don’t really care about his development or where our staff can’t work hands on with him. But I’ll agree to disagree…

[PushDaRock]

I don’t think anyone cares thaaaat much about the outcomes in the G-League. Again we kept Bruno there for years & I just don’t see our FO not prioritizing his development being under their tutelage more than anything. I just don’t agree with you on this one.

We will see what they prioritize. If they don't mind him not playing and having him as strictly a project, that's one route. But, he's hardly played any organized basketball and certainly not at a high level. If they want him getting game reps, the G League isn't the spot.

The whole purpose of our G League team is to get our end of bench players reps and I think you’re completely overvaluing the importance of those games there. Again it doesn’t make much sense to send him somewhere where they don’t really care about his development or where our staff can’t work hands on with him. But I’ll agree to disagree…

I don't care about winning games there. But, if you throw him out there on a G League court and force feed him 20 mins a game right now, he likely would get overwhelmed. He's just so incredibly raw right now and the competition in the G League is a massive step up from what he's used to.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

his athleticism blows me away. the way he moves and recovers looks pretty elite.

his basketball skillset needs to take a massive leap to match his athleticism.

[PushDaRock]

I don’t think anyone cares thaaaat much about the outcomes in the G-League. Again we kept Bruno there for years & I just don’t see our FO not prioritizing his development being under their tutelage more than anything. I just don’t agree with you on this one.

We will see what they prioritize. If they don't mind him not playing and having him as strictly a project, that's one route. But, he's hardly played any organized basketball and certainly not at a high level. If they want him getting game reps, the G League isn't the spot.

He needs to play. Spending a full season or 2 in the G League makes sense while we still have Poeltl and Olynyk under contract. Olynyk is probably done in 2 years which is when hopefully Chomche is ready for rotation minutes.

He needs to play though...and not garbage time and not 5 minutes a game with the big club.

What we are debating here is whether he's ready to play in the G League, I don't think he is.

[Johnny Bball]

4 picks in a draft they was calling flat and weak is honestly hilarious

How does that not define weak and flat?

[RoteSchroder]

Usually I don't even care about the 2nd round picks. But, for some reason, I have this gut feeling that we got 3 hits in the 2nd round this year. All three guys we picked in the 2nd round have the potential become rotational pieces imo. With a bit of luck, one of them could even become a fringe all star. Down the road, Jakobe may look like the least impressive player out of the four.

I have major doubts that Chomche works out. Looking at his film, he’s seems really far away. He’s not even good at overall defense, just certain aspects defensively (e.g. rim protection).

There’s a really steep learning curve here and I’m not so sure he and the Raps have the patience to wait it out. Bruno’s probably finally ready for back-up C after 10 years for instance.

A draft and stash makes a lot more sense here imo.