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Post#181 » by ConSarnit » Fri May 23, 2025 4:11 pm

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TGM wrote:Wondering if there is a RJ for Kuminga S and T that GS would consider.

Kuminga has the laterally quickness to play and cover the 2 through 4 spots and something we lack in terms of size and athleticism.


can you expand on why you think kuminga would be better for us? right now i see him as an mle player.


If you look at our glut of guards at the 2 and 3. They are all tiny and not defensive stoppers. Barnes thrives the most playing the 4 spot and providing help side defense.

Ochai is a solid defender, but he is too small to cover strong 3s. RJ is an average defender and same as Ingram. We brought in BI for his offensive and not for him to be getting banged up against bigger swings.

I like RJ, but this is more about rebalancing the roster. With Kuminga you have a guy with strong upside and really good lateral quickness. Salary wise I think they are pretty close.


Our offense would be too compromised. Trying to run out Kuminga/Barnes/Poeltl as starters would kill spacing. Kuminga isn’t a good enough defender to make it worthwhile. Generally I think Kuminga is a low iq type player who I’m not sure actually contributes to winning.
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Post#182 » by CazOnReal » Sat May 24, 2025 3:04 am

Spida888 wrote:Some rumours that PHI are listening to trade down offers for #3.
Would you guys consider making a move at that if it's something like #9 + sweetener to move up?
In the past, to move up a few spots, it's like pick swap + an additional future FRP. So maybe #9 + one of Gradey/JKW/future FRP?

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Post#183 » by Gavin_TDThree » Sat May 24, 2025 2:10 pm

Spida888 wrote:Some rumours that PHI are listening to trade down offers for #3.
Would you guys consider making a move at that if it's something like #9 + sweetener to move up?
In the past, to move up a few spots, it's like pick swap + an additional future FRP. So maybe #9 + one of Gradey/JKW/future FRP?



The question is always what asset you attach to it.

If it was something like #3 for #9 + Dick + 2026 2nd rounder then that'd be worth it. Grab VJ or Ace who I'd argue have higher upside than Dick.
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Post#184 » by NinjaBro » Sat May 24, 2025 2:17 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:What are the chances we get Naz Reid this summer? Saw he can opt out and become a FA this summer, what needs to happen I don't think we have enough cap space.
Absolutely zero chance we can get Naz. The reason the wolves traded Kat was because they had Naz coming up.
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Post#185 » by mademan » Sat May 24, 2025 2:42 pm

Kuminga is a dumb player. Stay away from dumb players
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Post#186 » by mihaic » Sat May 24, 2025 2:47 pm

mademan wrote:Kuminga is a dumb player. Stay away from dumb players

I remember GSW not wanting to trade Kuminga for Pascal.
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Post#187 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sat May 24, 2025 2:54 pm

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mademan wrote:Kuminga is a dumb player. Stay away from dumb players

I remember GSW not wanting to trade Kuminga for Pascal.

Gsw really bungled a lot of moves. Wiseman Moody Kuminga. Had a real chance to extend that dynastic run.
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Post#188 » by MiamiSPX » Sat May 24, 2025 8:14 pm

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mademan wrote:Kuminga is a dumb player. Stay away from dumb players

I remember GSW not wanting to trade Kuminga for Pascal.

Gsw really bungled a lot of moves. Wiseman Moody Kuminga. Had a real chance to extend that dynastic run.


I remember when any combination of Wiggins, Wiseman, Moody and Kuminga was a coveted package. Fast forward to just 3 years later and any of them can be had basically for free (literally in Wiseman's case). Really not sure why they never pulled the trigger on those trades, considering they obviously didn't care for any of those players.

That last title overshadows the fact that they really bungled those draft picks, and the development of those players.
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Post#189 » by youngRAPZ » Sat May 24, 2025 10:29 pm

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mihaic wrote:I remember GSW not wanting to trade Kuminga for Pascal.

Gsw really bungled a lot of moves. Wiseman Moody Kuminga. Had a real chance to extend that dynastic run.


I remember when any combination of Wiggins, Wiseman, Moody and Kuminga was a coveted package. Fast forward to just 3 years later and any of them can be had basically for free (literally in Wiseman's case). Really not sure why they never pulled the trigger on those trades, considering they obviously didn't care for any of those players.

That last title overshadows the fact that they really bungled those draft picks, and the development of those players.


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Post#190 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon May 26, 2025 7:43 pm

League sources say Dallas is expected to at least explore whether there are any feasible trade pathways to Boston's Jrue Holiday — complicated as that would likely be given the three years and $104 million still left on Holiday's contract — while also maintaining an interest in a far more reasonable trade target as we've discussed on the DLLS Mavs podcast: Lonzo Ball.

Chicago signed Ball to a two-year, $20 million contract extension in February (with a team option in Year 2) in a nod to his notable influence in the Bulls' locker room, but the deal is regarded by many around the league as quite tradeable given what the 27-year-old showed this season he can still deliver at both ends when healthy.

Another name to monitor for Dallas: Chris Paul. The free agent-to-be just turned 40 on May 6, but Paul also just played (and started) 82 games in his maiden season as a San Antonio Spur.


Anticipation is building that Paul could be on the move again this offseason even though his time as a Spur as a mentor to Victor Wembanyama and a young team overall was an unabashed success. The reality now, though, is that San Antonio acquired De’Aaron Fox in February and just watched Stephon Castle assemble of a Rookie of the Year season. Since winning the May 12 draft lottery, San Antonio has likewise attempted to convey a desire to rival teams that it intends to keep the No. 2 overall pick in next month's draft to select Rutgers' Dylan Harper. With or without Harper in the Alamo City next season, it is difficult to see how there would be room in the Spurs' backcourt next season.

You can be certain that there will be interest in the 20-year veteran if he wants to keep playing after Paul just surpassed Utah legend John Stockton for playing and starting all 82 games so late in his career. (Stockton did it in his 19th season.)
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Post#191 » by Spida888 » Mon May 26, 2025 8:43 pm

DAL probably just kicking tires to see if they can get Jrue on the cheap. Some rumours that Boston may need to attach sweetener to get rid of Jrue's remaining contract.

A framework of Jrue + sweetener for Klay + Gafford (expiring) can work. A Dallas starting five of Kyrie/Jrue/Washington/Flagg/AD should be good defensively. Spacing may be an issue though.
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Summertime doesn't officially start until June 20 according to the pesky calendar, but why hold off on the hoopla?

Why, indeed, when so many NBA front offices are already forecasting a significant amount of trade activity that could very well involve Milwaukee's Giannis Antetokounmpo, Phoenix's Kevin Durant and maybe even a Boston Celtic or two.

The Summer of Trades.

That is what many teams out there are bracing for ... whether both of the aforementioned All-Stars — or neither — wind up on the open market.

"It’s gonna be a crazy summer," one Western Conference executive projects. "There’s going to be a lot of movement."

"Trades are going to be the marquee aspect because there's a number of high-level players [available] and there aren’t really any marquee free agents," adds another team's salary cap strategist.

The seemingly wide-open nature of a league about to crown its seventh new champion in a span of seven seasons — which is an NBA first— has certainly helped fuel a more widespread go-for-it mentality.

The cap strategist’s point is rather important here, too. We have already grown accustomed in recent years to the most significant roster changes in #thisleague taking place via trades rather than free agency. More recently, on top of the steady uptick in veteran players signing extensions with their incumbent teams, we're seeing prominent players push for trades to a new team they know is prepared to reward them.

Example No. 1: Jimmy Butler getting dealt from Miami to Golden State.

Example No. 2: Brandon Ingram being moved from New Orleans to Toronto.

Both players not only found new homes at the trade deadline in February but promptly landed multi-year deals with their new teams after notably not inking extensions with their previous clubs.


Their cases have only added to a rising trend. Call it yet another layer to what has become known as pre-agency that no longer waits for July 1: You get your money up front … or you find another team that’s prepared to foot the bill.

Under the 2011 collective bargaining agreement, there were an average of two veteran extensions completed per season. Under the 2017 CBA, that annual average rose to 10 veteran extensions. Since the latest labor agreement was instituted in July 2023, we've seen an average of 20 players sign veteran extensions per season, according to data obtained by The Stein Line.

It's a staggering increase that doesn’t even include rookie-scale or designated player extensions. And as a result we're repeatedly left with very few marquee names that actually hit free agency.

The Clippers' James Harden, Dallas' Kyrie Irving and the Lakers' LeBron James all have the ability to become free agents in late June, but all three are widely expected to remain with their current clubs. If Minnesota's Julius Randle picks up his player option for next season or strikes a new deal to stick with the Timberwolves, that could leave Indiana Pacers center Myles Turner as this summer's marquee free agent ... not that anyone really expects Turner to leave the Pacers, either. Not after Indiana A) was largely unwilling, according to league sources, to include him in trade conversations during the season and B) just moved to the brink of a trip to the NBA Finals with a Game 4 victory Tuesday night over New York to take a 3-1 lead in the Eastern Conference finals.

Factor in the limited amount of salary cap space available this summer for outright signings and you have yet another considerable catalyst for trade activity. The Brooklyn Nets are currently the league's only team on course to have a difference-making amount of cap space to spend this summer. This is not hyperbole.

Detroit could theoretically create roughly $14 million in salary cap space ... but also realistically cannot do so if it hopes to re-sign veterans such as Malik Beasley and Dennis Schroder after both contributed so much to the Pistons' return to the playoff stage.
Memphis likewise has pathways to create some decent cap space, but the Grizzlies' priorities are making sure they have enough flexibility to renegotiate and extend Jaren Jackson Jr.'s contract and, if possible, re-sign Santi Aldama.

Two-thirds of the league will begin the new salary cap year underneath the luxury tax line, which could likewise help fuel some sign-and-trade activity. Golden State's Jonathan Kuminga, to name one prominent example, might need the sign-and-trade route to finally land the sort of contract he seeks.

Nets GM Sean Marks has chased restricted free agents before, like Otto Porter Jr. and Allen Crabbe, but what if the Nets decline to extend offer sheets to RFAs this summer? Kuminga in particular would be all but forced to find a sign-and-trade.

Chicago's Josh Giddey and Philadelphia's Quentin Grimes are two more restricted free agents soon to face their own challenges in this marketplace. Sources say Philadelphia has ongoing confidence in its ability to re-sign Grimes, but let's see. Ditto for the Bulls and Giddey coming to terms on the five-year pact that the Aussie playmaker is said to be seeking which is routinely projected to land at no less than $120 million.

An additional potential boost for those of you rooting for trades: Teams positioned under the first apron will have more flexibility than ever before under this new CBA to utilize any previously created trade exception to take back more salary than they send out. The specific rule in question is wonky to explain, but non-apron teams will be allowed this offseason to take in $8.5 million more than they send out in deals by taking advantage of expanded salary-matching bands … although such maneuvers do trigger a hard cap at the first apron that creates its own complications.

In theory that enables a non-apron team to absorb a more expensive player essentially in exchange for draft compensation — similar to the math Washington and Milwaukee employed during the season when the Bucks shipped out Khris Middleton and his $31 million salary and brought back the lesser-paid Kyle Kuzma on a $23 million salary.

Twelve teams, furthermore, will have access to their full midlevel exception this summer, which can also be deployed like a trade exception to take on extra salary in a deal. Roughly 12 more teams, with some creative roster tinkering, could also gain access to their full $14.1 million midlevel. Hopefully you'll recall from our past reporting (see below) that seven teams used at least some portion of their midlevel exception to facilitate trades leading up to February’s in-season deadline.




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Three of the loudest moves at this season's trade deadline all required multiteam trades. Luka Dončić and Anthony Davis couldn't have been swapped without one. Ditto for Jimmy Butler finally exiting South Beach in a five-team extravaganza. De'Aaron Fox and Zach LaVine needed their own three-team deal to switch teams.

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The trade levers, as you can see, are plentiful. And they're going to be pulled.

Chatter about what looms is naturally getting louder leaguewide as the season’s on-court playoff conclusions draw near, but don’t forget that Los Angeles Lakers president of basketball operations Rob Pelinka spelled out the way many teams see it as far back his end-of-season news conference on May 1.


"I think this offseason, too, there's going to be a lot of movement around the NBA," Pelinka said. "It just feels that way. There's so many aggressive leaders of organizations that are expecting, now, success. And so I think there will be a lot of opportunities for us to look at — I really do. I'm excited about the offseason and what'll come our way."
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Riley's quest to make the Heat even more unwatchable.

Sure if Miami decides they just want to treadmill...

But why are the Raptors up there?

Would this be a way to get out of IQ's contract in favor of a smaller and shorter contract length? Demar as a 6 man coming in as a microwave scorer to dominate opposing 2nd units could be interesting. I'm not opposed to it provided we get compensated with a future pick (Sacramento conveyed their FRP to Atlanta in this draft) for taking on Demar.
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Post#198 » by wegotthabeet » Wed May 28, 2025 8:27 pm

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:Gsw really bungled a lot of moves. Wiseman Moody Kuminga. Had a real chance to extend that dynastic run.


I remember when any combination of Wiggins, Wiseman, Moody and Kuminga was a coveted package. Fast forward to just 3 years later and any of them can be had basically for free (literally in Wiseman's case). Really not sure why they never pulled the trigger on those trades, considering they obviously didn't care for any of those players.

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