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[Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap

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Re: [Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap 

Post#181 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:16 pm

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The problem is that now the price of Kevin Durant has gone up with the Bane trade. And Masai could do something stupid like trade multiple draft assets for KD believing that the “East is wide open”



I don't think the Bane trade will up KDs value on the market because its diff situations....Bane is 26 turning 27 while KD is 36 turning 37.....Also Bane is locked up for 4 years on a decent deal while KD will be a free agent next year....Sure KD is the better player but the differences are the same reason we got a less package for an expiring Siakam rather than if he was on a 4 year contract when traded...

I think we could get KD for Yak/RJ/9th pick/future 2nd rounders....But we shall see...


Phoenix will probably tell teams that Bane just got 4 firsts and that Durant should get at least 2 or equivalent. That’s my worry that about what Masai might do. That trade you just proposed with Yak/RJ/9th is horrible for us.


Yeah i am not saying a trade that will or won't be bad for us but rather a realistic trade that could happen....The 9th pick is prolly in play in the deal and if you want to keep the 9th might be giving up 2 future firsts...

Because i feel Suns will just take the best offer regardless of where KD wants to go...Who knows what the offer is to beat atm but If Masai is interested which all reports suggest he is....Means we are prolly offering some kind of enticing offer and Suns are still weighing all offers....If we get him i expect the 9th or a future first and a swap to be in there.
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Re: [Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap 

Post#182 » by ForeverTFC » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:16 pm

Love that everyone taking this opportunity to **** on the Pascal trade is also calling it a massive overpay. The jokes write themselves.

Siakam return sucked, but it was never going to be good, even if they traded him at the previous deadline. You get a little more for 1.5 years vs .5 years. You get A LOT more at 4 years remaining. Especially when the guy you have to pay wants the max and the guy that's locked up has a good contract. The move was always to re-sign Pascal. Then maybe we also get lucky to sit and wait until someone is willing to overpay without Pascal having a say in the matter.
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Re: [Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap 

Post#183 » by mihaic » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:20 pm

Scase wrote:A lot of people talking about how bad the Siakam trade is compared to this, and while I agree that it definitely makes it worse, the real star of this?

How much worse that Luka trade looks knowing that THIS is what Bane pulled from ORL. Insanity.

I disagree it was much worse. We still got 3 picks vs. 4 picks and a swap. Siakam needed to be extended, Bane is licked on a good contract, better than Siakam expiring.
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Re: [Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap 

Post#184 » by tdotrep2 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:21 pm

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mihaic wrote:Why would they trade jjj.

because he will be looking for a super max, and it's not far fetched that he somehow makes 3rd team all nba. They are obviously not competing either.

I think they will deal ja instead, rather keep jjj than ja. That said I did not know jjj contract situation. If that is the situation we cannot afford him unless swap for Scottie.

he cannot earn a super max once traded, similar situation to luka
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Post#185 » by Tha Cynic » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:21 pm

What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.
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Post#186 » by mihaic » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:23 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.

Perhaps it took the only team that overspends picks off the market, who knows.
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Post#187 » by mihaic » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:24 pm

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tdotrep2 wrote:because he will be looking for a super max, and it's not far fetched that he somehow makes 3rd team all nba. They are obviously not competing either.

I think they will deal ja instead, rather keep jjj than ja. That said I did not know jjj contract situation. If that is the situation we cannot afford him unless swap for Scottie.

he cannot earn a super max once traded, similar situation to luka

A regular max still means we need to swap Scottie. They'd want picks too (the grizz), not sure it's worth it.
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Post#188 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:26 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.


It would have been Barnes/Dick/Ochai 9th pick and like 3 unprotected FRPs and a pick swap in between.....So 4FRP 1 Swap Barnes/Dick/Ochai

The people that thought we could get Giannis for Barnes/Dick and 2 FRps were always delusional Raptor homers....Raptor fans can say its an overpay but this is a top 3 MVP type player here...Not Bane or 37 year old KD...
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Re: [Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap 

Post#189 » by WuTang_OG » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:27 pm

Why did Orlando have to give up so much to acquire Bane?

The trade is bound to be painted in many corners as an overpay no matter what justification is ultimately offered by the Magic, but the offloading of Caldwell-Pope's contract was certainly a factor. The Magic signed Caldwell-Pope to a three-year, $66 million deal last summer. Not only did he struggle; Orlando had to shed some significant salary in this move to be able to add another $40 million-a-year player in Bane.

Franz Wagner is already at that level, Jalen Suggs isn't far off and Paolo Banchero is poised to become Orlando's highest-paid player when he becomes extension-eligible in July … with that jump in salary in his forthcoming new deal kicking in for the 2026-27 season.

So …

The Magic, so long seen as an ultra-conservative team, just went the other direction in a very dramatic way. Especially when you consider that Banchero is the only player in that foursome to have reached All-Star status.


Former Bucks head coach Adrian Griffin, Mavericks assistant coach Jared Dudley and Magic assistant coach Dale Osbourne are still in contention for the No. 1 seat on Tuomas Iisalo's bench in Memphis, league sources say.

The Grizzlies are said to be looking for a top aide to Iisalo who can forge a strong connection with Morant.

At least that was the prevalent forecast before the Grizzlies' trade bombshell Sunday morning. Is Memphis still as committed to its star guard and Jaren Jackson Jr. as it once seemed? Do the Grizzlies suddenly have interest in a rebuild … or a retooling? These are questions bouncing around 29 other front offices as we speak even though a renegotiation-and-extension of Jackson's contract has long been viewed as the Grizzlies' top offseason priority.
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Post#190 » by XTC » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:31 pm

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XTC wrote:Masai needs to go all in on Ja Morant.

why?


Why not? Hes had his problems lately, but few guards can score like Morant.

He's a perfect buy low candidate. Ja Morant would instantly become the best player on this roster.
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Post#191 » by Raps in 4 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:34 pm

Lmao. People on here thought we could get Giannis for Dick + RJ + 2x FRPs. :lol:
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Post#192 » by Raps in 4 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:35 pm

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XTC wrote:Masai needs to go all in on Ja Morant.

why?


Why not? Hes had his problems lately, but few guards can score like Morant.

He's a perfect buy low candidate. Ja Morant would instantly become the best player on this roster.


Masai has always steered clear of low chaarcter players. There is absolutely no chance he'd ever go after Ja.
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Post#193 » by Tripod » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:38 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:Idc what anyone says, 4 picks is crazy and damn did that just mess up the market…now everyone is gonna command something close for almost any recognizable name.

Good job the Raps don't "have" to make any trade like this...just fill the backup C spot.

Masai got his 20+ point scorer for 1 1st+filler.
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Post#194 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:39 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:Lmao. People on here though we could get Giannis for Dick + RJ + 2x FRPs. :lol:


Them people should never be taken seriously....Its the same crowd that thought we could get KD back in the day for OG/GTJr.....They are delusional when it comes to the trade market for elite level players and always bias to how much value our players have league wide.....I blame the one off Kawhi deal we pulled off for the delusion....

And if you disagree with the hive of delusional posters they all gang up to attack you as if you are the crazy one saying they will ask for more (Obviously)
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Post#195 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:40 pm

XTC wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:
XTC wrote:Masai needs to go all in on Ja Morant.

why?


Why not? Hes had his problems lately, but few guards can score like Morant.

He's a perfect buy low candidate. Ja Morant would instantly become the best player on this roster.

considering what they just traded Bane for, what do you think the buy low price for Ja looks like? Salary-wise you're probably looking at doing something like IQ+Dick, but then they'll probably want another 4-5 picks on top of that.
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Post#196 » by Grew » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:49 pm

Magic look like a team the east has to worry about for the first time since Dwight.
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Post#197 » by mtcan » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:52 pm

XTC wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:
XTC wrote:Masai needs to go all in on Ja Morant.

why?


Why not? Hes had his problems lately, but few guards can score like Morant.

He's a perfect buy low candidate. Ja Morant would instantly become the best player on this roster.

My issues with trading for Ja:
1) his behavior is so erratic - not a guy Masai would go for. All of his off court issues are 100% self inflicted. Exercises poor judgement

2) such an electric player but he still relies so much on his athleticism but what happens when that athleticism goes?

3) he is still a very poor shooter. His game will age poorly given how hard he attacks the basket and how injury prone he is as a result
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Post#198 » by AbC? » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:54 pm

I like it for Orlando, they will be fun to watch. Franz and Banchero desperately needed spacing and they got one of the most reliable volume shooters in the league.
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Post#200 » by ForeverTFC » Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:07 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.


Giannis is going to get real useful players with upside pontential, but this was always the case. People are too blinded by the pick count here. We've been talking Scottie, 2-3 picks and some swaps. Houston can beat it if the include 1 of Amen/Sengun. OKC can beat it if they include 1 of Chet/JDub. SAS can beat it with the 2nd this year and Castle. And Jazz can probably beat it with Markkanen. Otherwise, no one else has the combination of a real player + picks that we have.

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