[Charania] Jakob Extended - 4 Years $104m

[6ixpessant]

This is great. I hope "we" can get him more than the bag.

[tecumseh18]

I'm having a tough time understanding the contract. Is it

1. Option year
2. Extension year 1
3. Extension year 2
4. Extension year 3 ($5m guarantee)

As I understand it:

2025-26 - existing contract (19.5 mill)
2026-27 - Option year (existing contract)
2027-28 - Extension year 1
2028-29 - Extension year 2
2029-30 - Extension year 3 ($5m guarantee)

[sidsid]

so based on report on how Bobby wanted to extend Siakam and trade him later

I guess his strategy is just extend and explore trades down the road. sort of like status quo and strike if there is a trade. rather than blow it up

which probably means no tanking

Jak will still have good value under his deal next year. This year would still be the best time to trade him with those 2 years of value compared to the current market. Will make it easier in salary matching situations. The last year with minimal guarantees also eliminates some of that late risk for other teams.

Upside here may be teams who were reluctant to take him on with the PO looming.

He has a trade kicker which presumably limits the teams possible in a trade while lowering the potential return as well. I don't see it as a likely possibility for the next couple years.

He can also wave it if he likes the destination. Teams looking to trade for him would be likely contenders anyway.

[ForeverTFC]

I'm having a tough time understanding the contract. Is it

1. Option year
2. Extension year 1
3. Extension year 2
4. Extension year 3 ($5m guarantee)

As I understand it:

2025-26 - existing contract (19.5 mill)
2026-27 - Option year (existing contract)
2027-28 - Extension year 1
2028-29 - Extension year 2
2029-30 - Extension year 3 ($5m guarantee)

Awesome. I really like this. I thought we'd have to pay Allen money. We're getting like a 25% discount here on that + a team option. FO did well on this.

[mihaic]

I'm having a tough time understanding the contract. Is it

1. Option year
2. Extension year 1
3. Extension year 2
4. Extension year 3 ($5m guarantee)

That's what I understood too. But theoption year is after 25/26 season. So we have him 2 years at 19.5M or so, 2 years at 28M or so, and a fifth year partial guarantee

He picked up the option and added 3 years. Last of the 3 years is partially guaranteed. Here's the quote:

$19.5M option for '26-27, and then adding an additional three years, $84M through '29-30. Sources say the fourth-year of Poeltl's new $104M overall agreement has $5M guaranteed

[Tripod]

so based on report on how Bobby wanted to extend Siakam and trade him later

I guess his strategy is just extend and explore trades down the road. sort of like status quo and strike if there is a trade. rather than blow it up

which probably means no tanking

Jak will still have good value under his deal next year. This year would still be the best time to trade him with those 2 years of value compared to the current market. Will make it easier in salary matching situations. The last year with minimal guarantees also eliminates some of that late risk for other teams.

Upside here may be teams who were reluctant to take him on with the PO looming.

Or...and hear me out.

You keep a good starting C for the next 4 years and make a decision on year 5 when that time comes.

What a crazy concept, right?

[PushDaRock]

Jak will still have good value under his deal next year. This year would still be the best time to trade him with those 2 years of value compared to the current market. Will make it easier in salary matching situations. The last year with minimal guarantees also eliminates some of that late risk for other teams.

Upside here may be teams who were reluctant to take him on with the PO looming.

He has a trade kicker which presumably limits the teams possible in a trade while lowering the potential return as well. I don't see it as a likely possibility for the next couple years.

He can also wave it if he likes the destination. Teams looking to trade for him would be likely contenders anyway.

It still lowers his value if he's in control of the destination.

[ForeverTFC]

Read on Twitter

Who is this guy? After this year and the option year, his new extension will be at ~14% of the cap. The MLE is at ~9%. This is a good deal for a starter in the NBA. And we got him to pick up the option next year and take only $5m in guaranteed money on his last year. This is one of the best contracts the Raptors have ever negotiated.

[tsherkin]

Nice. Solid contract for a guy who's been doing quite well for us. This is like the fourth year where he's been posting around those numbers PER36, so he's just doing his usual thing. I love it.

[Badonkadonk]

Can someone explain to me how CMB, Barnes, and Poetlt are suppose to play together? No contending team is running a big rotation like this. This roster won't sniff the 2nd round the next 3 years.

Who cares if they can play together right now?

CMB isn't starting anytime soon. He's going to be coming off the bench for 1-2 years minimum.

Agreed and also starting is irrelevant, high probability that Scottie, Yak and CMB are the Raps best 3 front court players. There are 96 mins to split between 3 primary front court players next year, I bet he plays at least 20mpg.

The "team fit" stuff is so overblown. The only thing that matters is if CMB is as good at defense and offensive creation as the scouts who loved him think he is, because if that's true he'll be on the court plenty.

[Pointgod]

So $170M for a starting lineup of IQ, Barrett, Ingram, Scottie, and Jak in 2026-27.

Trades are coming at some point, probably at the trade deadline.

We have no value contracts outside of rookie deals. We might get trades, but if we’re giving out non-value contracts, I would expect the contracts coming back are some combination of similar non-value contracts and lower skilled/value contracts.

So you think we trade some of our rookie contracts for picks to clear the logjam?

[Pointgod]

I'm having a tough time understanding the contract. Is it

1. Option year
2. Extension year 1
3. Extension year 2
4. Extension year 3 ($5m guarantee)

This year
Option year
3 year extension.
Really he’s only extending 3 more years but we have him for 5

[Tripod]

I'm having a tough time understanding the contract. Is it

1. Option year
2. Extension year 1
3. Extension year 2
4. Extension year 3 ($5m guarantee)

This year
Option year
3 year extension.
Really he’s only extending 3 more years but we have him for 5

Or 4 if we see the decline in year 4.

Great deal

[kalel123]

Solid signing.

Now let's go get that 2nd big (PF/C for those who thinks big has to be a C) now that we got our starting C and 3rd big secured.

[mack_435]

Can someone explain to me how CMB, Barnes, and Poetlt are suppose to play together? No contending team is running a big rotation like this. This roster won't sniff the 2nd round the next 3 years.

Who cares if they can play together right now?

CMB isn't starting anytime soon. He's going to be coming off the bench for 1-2 years minimum.

Agreed and also starting is irrelevant, high probability that Scottie, Yak and CMB are the Raps best 3 front court players. There are 96 mins to split between 3 primary front court players next year, I bet he plays at least 20mpg.

The "team fit" stuff is so overblown. The only thing that matters is if CMB is as good at defense and offensive creation as the scouts who loved him think he is, because if that's true he'll be on the court plenty.

No competitive team has a big rotation with this little shooting. "team fit" absolutely matters when it comes to shooting. No competitive team is running a C and a PF that shoot the three the way poeltl and barnes do. CMB pick make matters worse. Even when we go small both our bigs will be below average 3 point shooters.

[Badonkadonk]

Who cares if they can play together right now?

CMB isn't starting anytime soon. He's going to be coming off the bench for 1-2 years minimum.

Agreed and also starting is irrelevant, high probability that Scottie, Yak and CMB are the Raps best 3 front court players. There are 96 mins to split between 3 primary front court players next year, I bet he plays at least 20mpg.

The "team fit" stuff is so overblown. The only thing that matters is if CMB is as good at defense and offensive creation as the scouts who loved him think he is, because if that's true he'll be on the court plenty.

No competitive team has a big rotation with this little shooting. "team fit" absolutely matters when it comes to shooting. No competitive team is running a C and a PF that shoot the three the way poeltl and barnes do. CMB pick make matters worse. Even when we go small both our bigs will be below average 3 point shooters.

CMB can absolutely shoot. Don't forget he had strong percentages everywhere except the 3P line, and if you watched the Gamecocks, you'll understand why that was inevitable given his outsized role on the team. He shot well on 2s and his eFG%, TS% and FTA (i.e. another source of efficient scoring) were all very strong. We'll see how his 3 develops, but there's enough evidence to suggest it can improve given success in other areas.

Also, you're way overestimating the importance of 4s/5s being great 3p shooters. Even OKC just won a 'chip cycling Hartenstein, Chet and the lesser Williams through PF/C and they shot terribly. Team context, the offense you run, each guy's role in it, how much are they giving back on the other end etc. are just as important.

On that point, a Scottie/Yak/CMB front court rotation has a realistic chance of being elite defensively, so you take what you can get with shooting. You can't assess in a vacuum.

[deeps6x]

Scottie being on 1st team all NBA is higher than this happening

Poeltl is a 42,9% career shooter from 3.

Nice. He's taken 7 attempts in his career.

LOL. FWIW, Poeltl at 29 years old has made more 3s then Brook Lopez had made when he was 29 years old.

For all we know Poeltl will start JAKing them next season.

He won't, (but maybe he should).

[RoteSchroder]

Who cares if they can play together right now?

CMB isn't starting anytime soon. He's going to be coming off the bench for 1-2 years minimum.

Agreed and also starting is irrelevant, high probability that Scottie, Yak and CMB are the Raps best 3 front court players. There are 96 mins to split between 3 primary front court players next year, I bet he plays at least 20mpg.

The "team fit" stuff is so overblown. The only thing that matters is if CMB is as good at defense and offensive creation as the scouts who loved him think he is, because if that's true he'll be on the court plenty.

No competitive team has a big rotation with this little shooting. "team fit" absolutely matters when it comes to shooting. No competitive team is running a C and a PF that shoot the three the way poeltl and barnes do. CMB pick make matters worse. Even when we go small both our bigs will be below average 3 point shooters.

There's more than one way to skin a cat. In an era of prolific 3 point shooting, here's how OKC's shot from 3 in this year's playoffs:

iHart: non-shooter
Holmgren: 29.7%
Shai: 28.3%
Jalen Williams: 30.4%
Dort: 34.3%
Caruso: 41.1%
Cason Wallace: 32.3%
Aaron Wiggins: 36.2%
Kendrick Williams: 20%

Compare this with Indiana:

Siakam: 42.7%
Haliburton: 34%
Nembhard: 46.5%
Turner: 34.4%
Nesmith: 49.2%
Obi Toppin: 32.1%
Mathurin: 30%
Ben Sheppard: 39.5%
McConnell: 42.1%

It may possible to win through having elite defense, elite ball movement on offense, and surrounding CMB/Scottie/Poeltl with perimeter shooters whilst CMB/Scottie themselves work their way to low 30's. We'll have to see if RJ/IQ get traded..allowing for a better defensive line-up. Considering we have a young roster, pretty much every young guy needs to improve their 3 point shooting.

[dagger]

No competitive team has a big rotation with this little shooting. "team fit" absolutely matters when it comes to shooting. No competitive team is running a C and a PF that shoot the three the way poeltl and barnes do. CMB pick make matters worse. Even when we go small both our bigs will be below average 3 point shooters.

Two things

1. We have a lot of young players, drafted in the past couple of years, who will improve their shooting because they are working on both their bodies and their shooting technique. It's work in progress stuff. If we are expected to contend for a top 4 playoff stop, then I'd say this matters, but since the team is still a work in progress, you make progress where you can while looking to add talent in all the usual ways.

2. This team has been drafting defensive toughness. Shead, Mogbo, CMB, Martin, are all really tough defenders. Walter isn't bad. Scottie, as well know, can bear down and play hard D. This is going to be how the team wins more games this year. From the all-star game onward, the Raptors had the second best defensive stat%. Yes, a lot of crappy teams, but we also didn't play some of our vets to try to cop more lottery balls. This is going to be the identity of the team for this season.

[CPT]

Solid piece of business here.

It's no steal, but it's fair. And movable (despite the apparent trade kicker).

It will be interesting to see how/if the NBA's middle class gets squeezed as the CBA continues to have a cumulative effect on teams.