PG: Back to .500 (5-5)

[LoveMyRaps]

It arguing that, just like for a time we needed Demar.

Once you are a serious team though, Ingram gotta go. Hes not elite enough offensively to make up for his defence.

I didn’t say give him away, I just hope he’s the main piece in a consolation trade if one ever were to arise

I absolutely agree with you. Ingram’s defence is so bad that he can’t start on a contender. He’s just too much of a liability there. And we can argue that we can coach him into better habits but ultimately he’s just slow.

Three weeks ago we were told with absolute conviction that BI had already dethroned Scottie as our team's best player, despite not having played a single regular season game for us. Now, we're talking about a consolidation trade for Ingram. Gotta love this fanbase (not talking about you, HiJiNX).

The water bottle incident didn't sit right with many. They want him gone.

[PushDaRock]

A lot of overreaction in here over a schedule loss. We fought well and weren’t at full strength. They’re always a tough matchup for us anyway and were playing some bully ball that they won’t always get away with.

But yeah, when Poeltl is out, it’s rough. You have to have a guy that can rebound and defend the rim in today’s NBA, even if all the other guys are long. CMB has looked great but this was kinda the vision behind taking Maluach. Without Poeltl, our center spot has been a disaster since Gasol.

On to the next though. This is gonna be a fun season, it’s obvious we’re talented and one of the bench guys (GD, Walter, Battle) are going to step up at some point.

People seem to be haunted by us trotting out Achiuwa, Baynes, Birch and etc. Now, they're overcorrecting as a result. lol our C situation is nowhere near as bleak as it used to be.

[causal_fan]

It's absolutely baffling to me that this team couldn't add another competent C especially knowing that Poeltl will miss a reasonable number of games.

[YogurtProducer]

It arguing that, just like for a time we needed Demar.

Once you are a serious team though, Ingram gotta go. Hes not elite enough offensively to make up for his defence.

I didn’t say give him away, I just hope he’s the main piece in a consolation trade if one ever were to arise

I absolutely agree with you. Ingram’s defence is so bad that he can’t start on a contender. He’s just too much of a liability there. And we can argue that we can coach him into better habits but ultimately he’s just slow.

Three weeks ago we were told with absolute conviction that BI had already dethroned Scottie as our team's best player, despite not having played a single regular season game for us. Now, we're talking about a consolidation trade for Ingram. Gotta love this fanbase (not talking about you, HiJiNX).

Both can be true. Ingram still is probably our most important player right now as he provides the most valuable trait a team needs, but he also is not our long ter solution.

[YogurtProducer]

I absolutely agree with you. Ingram’s defence is so bad that he can’t start on a contender. He’s just too much of a liability there. And we can argue that we can coach him into better habits but ultimately he’s just slow.

Three weeks ago we were told with absolute conviction that BI had already dethroned Scottie as our team's best player, despite not having played a single regular season game for us. Now, we're talking about a consolidation trade for Ingram. Gotta love this fanbase (not talking about you, HiJiNX).

The water bottle incident didn't sit right with many. They want him gone.

Where have you seen that?

I think Ingram is a bitch now but I dont want him gone over it.

[HiJiNX]

It arguing that, just like for a time we needed Demar.

Once you are a serious team though, Ingram gotta go. Hes not elite enough offensively to make up for his defence.

I didn’t say give him away, I just hope he’s the main piece in a consolation trade if one ever were to arise

I absolutely agree with you. Ingram’s defence is so bad that he can’t start on a contender. He’s just too much of a liability there. And we can argue that we can coach him into better habits but ultimately he’s just slow.

Three weeks ago we were told with absolute conviction that BI had already dethroned Scottie as our team's best player, despite not having played a single regular season game for us. Now, we're talking about a consolidation trade for Ingram. Gotta love this fanbase (not talking about you, HiJiNX).

Haha yeah that was funny. Preseason was wild around here. I guess folks were just so afraid of Scottie not improving that his awful preseason led to some overreaction.

Also, fans of this sport tend to weigh scoring ability too heavily in how they assess players. It’s just how it is. Barnes isn’t some fantastic scorer and certainly doesn’t score in a pretty way — he mostly gets opportunity buckets or stuff that isn’t fancy. And I think many fans just don’t understand the impact of getting the ball up the court quickly, passing to the right guy, freezing the D with a shot or pass fake, rotating to a cutter and recovering, calling out screens before they arrive, telling teammates to clear a side to create space and then dumping it off to an advantage match-up, etc. Barnes just does a lot of the nuances really well and it adds up to impact even when he’s shooting awful. But his game isn’t pretty and he isn’t fluid so I think his overall impact gets overlooked.

[MoneyBall]

I absolutely agree with you. Ingram’s defence is so bad that he can’t start on a contender. He’s just too much of a liability there. And we can argue that we can coach him into better habits but ultimately he’s just slow.

Three weeks ago we were told with absolute conviction that BI had already dethroned Scottie as our team's best player, despite not having played a single regular season game for us. Now, we're talking about a consolidation trade for Ingram. Gotta love this fanbase (not talking about you, HiJiNX).

Both can be true. Ingram still is probably our most important player right now as he provides the most valuable trait a team needs, but he also is not our long ter solution.

Ingram is not a better player than Scottie lol

[Tor_Raps]

Ive said it before and will say it again... this franchise wont be serious until they fire Darko and Bobby realizes we need a competent 3rd C.

Then theres the whole Dick/Walter/Ochai playing ahead of Battle. Other than that, it was a good performance from everyone else.

Yeah. I feel bad for Battle. The guy shows up time and time again to prove that he is the best 3 point shooter on the team. Hard worker. Great size.

At this point it's almost disrespect.

He'll eventually move on because he was never taken seriously here & he will go on to help a contender win a ship as a useful bench shooter. I can totally see that happening.

You guys sure have your favourites haha. All this commotion over Battle.

Battle is one glaring aspect but yesterday it was obviously not playing CMB/Mamu more when youre clearly undersized. You're getting killed inside and on the boards so why not use the biggest players you can who were also playing well already?

This is one example of MANY ive had. I have never taken Darko serious as a head coach from the very beginning when I saw the ridiculous mistakes hed make.

[MoneyBall]

It's absolutely baffling to me that this team couldn't add another competent C especially knowing that Poeltl will miss a reasonable number of games.

Mamu?

[Johnny Bball]

Done with CMB already?

Haha I love CMB. I just think the team would benefit from having another 6’10 and above true big. And JV can shoot it a bit, post up, boxes out, and sets good screens. I’ve always liked him.

Valanciunas would help us a ton.

Another name I'd absolutely love (and have wanted for a while) is Isaiah Jackson of the Pacers.

Point being... WE DESPERATELY NEED A CENTER.

WHY ARE YOU INTENT ON TAKING MINUTES FROM CMB!

You really think some backup centre is going to stop Joel and dominate him on the glass so it makes a difference?

There's precisely two teams in the east with big heavy 7 footers and that's the Bulls and 76'ers. This team is not being built to beat the Bulls and 76'ers, which by the time it's ready, likely won't have those two centres playing anymore.

[johanliebert]

Yeah. I feel bad for Battle. The guy shows up time and time again to prove that he is the best 3 point shooter on the team. Hard worker. Great size.

At this point it's almost disrespect.

He'll eventually move on because he was never taken seriously here & he will go on to help a contender win a ship as a useful bench shooter. I can totally see that happening.

You guys sure have your favourites haha. All this commotion over Battle.

Battle is one glaring aspect but yesterday it was obviously not playing CMB/Mamu more when youre clearly undersized. You're getting killed inside and on the boards so why not use the biggest players you can who were also playing well already?

This is one example of MANY ive had. I have never taken Darko serious as a head coach from the very beginning when I saw the ridiculous mistakes hed make.

We don’t know what the coaching staff sees in scrimmages. Everyone’s favs look great in spot minutes, extended pt is a different story.

[Tacoma]

Most likely tired, you can see his shots were front rimming. I still like BI, you need someone in the playoffs.

He’s drastically improved our half court offense. We need him.

It’s extremely difficult to acquire a player of his calibre.

It arguing that, just like for a time we needed Demar.

Once you are a serious team though, Ingram gotta go. Hes not elite enough offensively to make up for his defence.

I didn’t say give him away, I just hope he’s the main piece in a consolation trade if one ever were to arise

We needed DeMar to make the playoffs and he did that every year he was #1 option averaging 53 wins and reached ECF. By contrast, Ingram is in his 10th season and has made the playoff twice playing in only 10 playoff games. DeMar was a leader for us in a lead-by example way with his high work ethic & high intensity ways vs. Ingram who plays more lackadaisical relying more on his natural talent as a scorer and not much of a leader type.

You can argue with a weakened East Conference, those DeRozan/Lowry led teams today would be one of the favorites to reach ECF. This is not the case for Ingram/Barnes led team today. So if this team isn't projected to be a serious team, then by extension of your definition, Ingram gotta go.

The better question may be why is he here in the first place, but I digress. In a consolidation trade & assuming he won't be traded this season, then what main piece are you going to get in return for a 10-yr vet with only 10 playoff games under his belt & on an expiring contract (player option in 2027)? In terms of co-leading teams to the playoffs, Ingram has much less of a pedigree than DeRozan back in 2018. Bobby has a lot of work to do.

[NoBias]

We haven’t been good since we had 2 competent centres. I don’t think that’s a coincidence… we need a backup big

[NoBias]

Haha I love CMB. I just think the team would benefit from having another 6’10 and above true big. And JV can shoot it a bit, post up, boxes out, and sets good screens. I’ve always liked him.

Valanciunas would help us a ton.

Another name I'd absolutely love (and have wanted for a while) is Isaiah Jackson of the Pacers.

Point being... WE DESPERATELY NEED A CENTER.

WHY ARE YOU INTENT ON TAKING MINUTES FROM CMB!

You really think some backup centre is going to stop Joel and dominate him on the glass so it makes a difference?

There's precisely two teams in the east with big heavy 7 footers and that's the Bulls and 76'ers. This team is not being built to beat the Bulls and 76'ers, which by the time it's ready, likely won't have those two centres playing anymore.

You don’t take minutes away from CMB by adding a C, you take it from Walter/Agbaji/Dick

Mamu is a good shooter to space the floor,
CMB can guard 3’s

With those two + a C on the floor and assuming Gradey is on the line up with them, you have a complimentary blend of defence, shooting, and rebounding.

[ash_k]

BI looked like he had too much fun the night before with GF; and it was his first B2B game on the road in over a year. The man looked tired.
I cannot accept IQ having more field goal attempts than any of our big 3 in any game...unless there is foul trouble involved like in this very game..I saw that proposed trade involving Jalen Suggs for IQ to boost Orlando's offense..I would do it in a millisecond.
Sidenote: it is amazing that see that our nemesis Maxey is actually slower now (thinking about that series) but a better player

[bape_lovers]

Which team has a two way legit pg? I can’t think of any

I don't think Ingram is the problem.

He provides more overall than - defenders we have on our team and the lack of size was too much as usual it's gonna put a heavy load on our PFs as season progresses so it's up to the FO to figure that out. Guys like Dick, Quickley, and Sandro having to defend the paint with small sgs out there isn't gonna help.

I think one of the consequences of our D that we aren’t talking about is that when Ingram, RJ, or IQ give up free paths to the rim it results in lots of fouls and forces unexpected rotations which makes it hard to rebound or close out on shooters. It’s a problem.

In a perfect world, IQ would be our 6th man & we would have a legit 2 way starting PG.

[Tor_Raps]

You guys sure have your favourites haha. All this commotion over Battle.

Battle is one glaring aspect but yesterday it was obviously not playing CMB/Mamu more when youre clearly undersized. You're getting killed inside and on the boards so why not use the biggest players you can who were also playing well already?

This is one example of MANY ive had. I have never taken Darko serious as a head coach from the very beginning when I saw the ridiculous mistakes hed make.

We don’t know what the coaching staff sees in scrimmages. Everyone’s favs look great in spot minutes, extended pt is a different story.

Its more of the logic... this team was getting killed on the boards and inside the paint. Logic says you should use your biggest/best players to help with that who also have some of your best players overall.

Instead we're using Dick/Walter who are allergic to doing anything in the paint due to them being too small/weak. Battle is our best 3 point shooter and is exactly what guys like Barnes/Ingram need offensively.

[Madvillainy2004]

Three weeks ago we were told with absolute conviction that BI had already dethroned Scottie as our team's best player, despite not having played a single regular season game for us. Now, we're talking about a consolidation trade for Ingram. Gotta love this fanbase (not talking about you, HiJiNX).

The water bottle incident didn't sit right with many. They want him gone.

Where have you seen that?

I think Ingram is a bitch now but I dont want him gone over it.

I saw people on reddit/Twitter saying to get rid of him but in reality he will probably apologize then it'll be forgetten about in a week

[LoveMyRaps]

The water bottle incident didn't sit right with many. They want him gone.

Where have you seen that?

I think Ingram is a bitch now but I dont want him gone over it.

I saw people on reddit/Twitter saying to get rid of him but in reality he will probably apologize then it'll be forgetten about in a week

Yup some people are saying they're 100% out on cheering for Ingram.

[JCP11]

It's absolutely baffling to me that this team couldn't add another competent C especially knowing that Poeltl will miss a reasonable number of games.

Mamu?

Not a real C. He's a 4 that can play 5 like CMB.