Since Barrett’s injury Raptors offensive rating has plummeted to last in the league

[HumbleRen]

What does "no market" mean? We have to give up assets to trade them?

We wouldn’t be able to move them for players straight up, we’d have to attach an additional picks or take on even worse contracts.

Do we get back a better or worse player if we add picks?

I highly doubt we’d get a better player in return unless we add picks.

[LoveMyRaps]

We wouldn’t be able to move them for players straight up, we’d have to attach an additional picks or take on even worse contracts.

I disagree. I don't think we'd have to attach picks to RJ just to get rid of him.

I do. We’d wouldn’t have to attach picks once he becomes an expiring though, I agree with that.

It’s why the Raps haven’t given him an extension yet. They’ll wait until he’s an expiring to trade him so we don’t have to attach anything to it imo.

I think it's more likely we re-sign him now, seeing as how bad we've been without him.

None of the "prospects" on this team even have the potential to replace RJ's production, who is only 24 and still steadily improving.

[HumbleRen]

I disagree. I don't think we'd have to attach picks to RJ just to get rid of him.

I do. We’d wouldn’t have to attach picks once he becomes an expiring though, I agree with that.

It’s why the Raps haven’t given him an extension yet. They’ll wait until he’s an expiring to trade him so we don’t have to attach anything to it imo.

I think it's more likely we re-sign him now, seeing as how bad we've been without him.

None of the "prospects" on this team even have the potential to replace RJ's production, who is only 24 and still steadily improving.

We’ll see. We didn’t give an extension to OG or Siakam.

They happily extended Poeltl this summer north of 25M until his mid 30’s. Not a peep about paying RJ at all since he’s come here. Didn’t even market him as an all star last year. Kinda speaks volumes to me on how the FO feels about him.

Whatever they decide to do, the longer they sit on the decision, the more leverage RJ gets in terms of pay. Either extend him or trade him this deadline.

Dont jerk him around then be surprised he wants as much money as possible cause you sat on your asses for 3 years.

[PushDaRock]

We wouldn’t be able to move them for players straight up, we’d have to attach an additional picks or take on even worse contracts.

Do we get back a better or worse player if we add picks?

I highly doubt we’d get a better player in return unless we add picks.

So, can we get back a better player if we add picks?

[HumbleRen]

Do we get back a better or worse player if we add picks?

I highly doubt we’d get a better player in return unless we add picks.

So, can we get back a better player if we add picks?

Yeah, some first round picks would need to be involved.

We wouldn’t get anything of value in a straight up swap.

[MiamiSPX]

I disagree. I don't think we'd have to attach picks to RJ just to get rid of him.

I do. We’d wouldn’t have to attach picks once he becomes an expiring though, I agree with that.

It’s why the Raps haven’t given him an extension yet. They’ll wait until he’s an expiring to trade him so we don’t have to attach anything to it imo.

I think it's more likely we re-sign him now, seeing as how bad we've been without him.

None of the "prospects" on this team even have the potential to replace RJ's production, who is only 24 and still steadily improving.

RJ has been extension eligible for many months now. The fact they haven't extended him, a local boy at that, speaks volumes IMO.

[PushDaRock]

I do. We’d wouldn’t have to attach picks once he becomes an expiring though, I agree with that.

It’s why the Raps haven’t given him an extension yet. They’ll wait until he’s an expiring to trade him so we don’t have to attach anything to it imo.

I think it's more likely we re-sign him now, seeing as how bad we've been without him.

None of the "prospects" on this team even have the potential to replace RJ's production, who is only 24 and still steadily improving.

We’ll see. We didn’t give an extension to OG or Siakam.

They happily extended Poeltl this summer north of 25M until his mid 30’s. Not a peep about paying RJ at all since he’s come here. Didn’t even market him as an all star last year. Kinda speaks volumes to me on how the FO feels about him.

Whatever they decide to do, the longer they sit on the decision, the more leverage RJ gets in terms of pay. Either extend him or trade him this deadline.

Dont jerk him around then be surprised he wants as much money as possible cause you sat on your asses for 3 years.

We were limited in the amount of money on an extension we could give to OG and Fred as well because of the "bargain" extensions they ended up signing.

We didn't want to give Siakam the max for more than 3 years.

Jak had a player option for next season, effectively making him a potential FA after this season. That's obviously more pressing than RJ who has another year guaranteed after this one. Maybe wait till this off season to see how they address it before being so certain?

[HumbleRen]

I think it's more likely we re-sign him now, seeing as how bad we've been without him.

None of the "prospects" on this team even have the potential to replace RJ's production, who is only 24 and still steadily improving.

We’ll see. We didn’t give an extension to OG or Siakam.

They happily extended Poeltl this summer north of 25M until his mid 30’s. Not a peep about paying RJ at all since he’s come here. Didn’t even market him as an all star last year. Kinda speaks volumes to me on how the FO feels about him.

Whatever they decide to do, the longer they sit on the decision, the more leverage RJ gets in terms of pay. Either extend him or trade him this deadline.

Dont jerk him around then be surprised he wants as much money as possible cause you sat on your asses for 3 years.

We were limited in the amount of money on an extension we could give to OG and Fred as well because of the "bargain" extensions they ended up signing.

We didn't want to give Siakam the max for more than 3 years.

Jak had a player option for next season, effectively making him a potential FA after this season. That's obviously more pressing than RJ who has another year guaranteed after this one. Maybe wait till this off season to see how they address it before being so certain?

If you want a player and believe in him, you extend him.

Waiting only gives the player more leverage down the line. RJ has said numerous times that he wants to stay, the ball in the FO’s court.

[PushDaRock]

I do. We’d wouldn’t have to attach picks once he becomes an expiring though, I agree with that.

It’s why the Raps haven’t given him an extension yet. They’ll wait until he’s an expiring to trade him so we don’t have to attach anything to it imo.

I think it's more likely we re-sign him now, seeing as how bad we've been without him.

None of the "prospects" on this team even have the potential to replace RJ's production, who is only 24 and still steadily improving.

RJ has been extension eligible for many months now. The fact they haven't extended him, a local boy at that, speaks volumes IMO.

I'm not sure what "volumes" it's supposed to speak. They have plenty of time to get it done, there's no urgency. There's also 2 sides to getting a deal done, the market has gotten a lot worse and RJ wasn't coming off a great year either. It's very possible neither side wants to do anything right now.

[PushDaRock]

We’ll see. We didn’t give an extension to OG or Siakam.

They happily extended Poeltl this summer north of 25M until his mid 30’s. Not a peep about paying RJ at all since he’s come here. Didn’t even market him as an all star last year. Kinda speaks volumes to me on how the FO feels about him.

Whatever they decide to do, the longer they sit on the decision, the more leverage RJ gets in terms of pay. Either extend him or trade him this deadline.

Dont jerk him around then be surprised he wants as much money as possible cause you sat on your asses for 3 years.

We were limited in the amount of money on an extension we could give to OG and Fred as well because of the "bargain" extensions they ended up signing.

We didn't want to give Siakam the max for more than 3 years.

Jak had a player option for next season, effectively making him a potential FA after this season. That's obviously more pressing than RJ who has another year guaranteed after this one. Maybe wait till this off season to see how they address it before being so certain?

If you want a player and believe in him, you extend him.

Waiting only gives the player more leverage down the line. RJ has said numerous times that he wants to stay, the ball in the FO’s court.

If they can agree on a number, sure. There's 2 sides to every deal though. RJ wants to stay, but does he want to take a hometown discount? If not, then it might make sense for both sides to wait and see how this season plays out.

[HumbleRen]

We were limited in the amount of money on an extension we could give to OG and Fred as well because of the "bargain" extensions they ended up signing.

We didn't want to give Siakam the max for more than 3 years.

Jak had a player option for next season, effectively making him a potential FA after this season. That's obviously more pressing than RJ who has another year guaranteed after this one. Maybe wait till this off season to see how they address it before being so certain?

If you want a player and believe in him, you extend him.

Waiting only gives the player more leverage down the line. RJ has said numerous times that he wants to stay, the ball in the FO’s court.

If they can agree on a number, sure. There's 2 sides to every deal though. RJ wants to stay, but does he want to take a hometown discount? If not, then it might make sense for both sides to wait and see how this season plays out.

If you say so lol.

[PushDaRock]

If you want a player and believe in him, you extend him.

Waiting only gives the player more leverage down the line. RJ has said numerous times that he wants to stay, the ball in the FO’s court.

If they can agree on a number, sure. There's 2 sides to every deal though. RJ wants to stay, but does he want to take a hometown discount? If not, then it might make sense for both sides to wait and see how this season plays out.

If you say so lol.

Don't listen to me, I know nothing.

[kalel123]

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/article/raptors-barrett-receives-prp-injection-for-knee-injury-will-miss-at-least-another-week/

So he won't be back for the Cup game? Damn, we gonna get smoked. Hope not, but don't see how else it'd play out.

[tsherkin]

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/article/raptors-barrett-receives-prp-injection-for-knee-injury-will-miss-at-least-another-week/

So he won't be back for the Cup game? Damn, we gonna get smoked. Hope not, but don't see how else it'd play out.

Well, that isn't my favorite news.

[Kingsway_fan]

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/article/raptors-barrett-receives-prp-injection-for-knee-injury-will-miss-at-least-another-week/

So he won't be back for the Cup game? Damn, we gonna get smoked. Hope not, but don't see how else it'd play out.

That's disappointing.... time for LAWSON to shine in that role!... he has shown he deserves it over all other subs... coach / gm needs to stop playing draft favorites and look to who is most capable of performing... NOW. We need his scoring ability and threat to take pressure off Ingram and Scottie. IQ is too inconsistent so teams are just zoning in on the two, imo.

We also need a lot better play from YAK.

[PushDaRock]

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/article/raptors-barrett-receives-prp-injection-for-knee-injury-will-miss-at-least-another-week/

So he won't be back for the Cup game? Damn, we gonna get smoked. Hope not, but don't see how else it'd play out.

That's disappointing.... time for LAWSON to shine in that role!... he has shown he deserves it over all other subs... coach / gm needs to stop playing draft favorites and look to who is most capable of performing... NOW.

I'm not against him getting an opportunity with these young guys struggling but "deserves' is a real stretch. He flashed some decent scoring ability at times last year but he wasn't amazing either. If we're getting excited about his 9 ppg on 54 TS% last season, we should be even more hyped about Gradey's 14 ppg on 54 TS% from last season.

[Jakay]

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/article/raptors-barrett-receives-prp-injection-for-knee-injury-will-miss-at-least-another-week/

So he won't be back for the Cup game? Damn, we gonna get smoked. Hope not, but don't see how else it'd play out.

That's disappointing.... time for LAWSON to shine in that role!... he has shown he deserves it over all other subs... coach / gm needs to stop playing draft favorites and look to who is most capable of performing... NOW.

I'm not against him getting an opportunity with these young guys struggling but "deserves' is a real stretch. He flashed some decent scoring ability at times last year but he wasn't amazing either. If we're getting excited about his 9 ppg on 54 TS% last season, we should be even more hyped about Gradey's 14 ppg on 54 TS% from last season.

But he's shooting 67% from three, with five rebounds and zero turnovers on the season. If you scale that up he's basically got untapped and unlimited potential.

Gradey on the other had, we've seen him. He might be the far better player but it's clear he's a weak poor shooting with less rebounding and he turns the ball over at an infinitely higher rate.

[PushDaRock]

That's disappointing.... time for LAWSON to shine in that role!... he has shown he deserves it over all other subs... coach / gm needs to stop playing draft favorites and look to who is most capable of performing... NOW.

I'm not against him getting an opportunity with these young guys struggling but "deserves' is a real stretch. He flashed some decent scoring ability at times last year but he wasn't amazing either. If we're getting excited about his 9 ppg on 54 TS% last season, we should be even more hyped about Gradey's 14 ppg on 54 TS% from last season.

But he's shooting 67% from three, with five rebounds and zero turnovers on the season. If you scale that up he's basically got untapped and unlimited potential.

Gradey on the other had, we've seen him. He might be the far better player but it's clear he's a weak poor shooting with less rebounding and he turns the ball over at an infinitely higher rate.

Those are solid numbers but he was a -18.5 in NRTG while Gradey is a +11.1 in NRTG. This is a team game!!!

[Tripod]

I highly doubt we’d get a better player in return unless we add picks.

So, can we get back a better player if we add picks?

Yeah, some first round picks would need to be involved.

We wouldn’t get anything of value in a straight up swap.

Wait...I am confused.

You say we won't get anything of value in a straight up swap. But then also say we should be signing him now vs later because he will demand more money.

If he has no value now, what value will he have on a bigger, longer contract? Seems like even more negative, right? So why rush into that?

[HumbleRen]

So, can we get back a better player if we add picks?

Yeah, some first round picks would need to be involved.

We wouldn’t get anything of value in a straight up swap.

Wait...I am confused.

You say we won't get anything of value in a straight up swap. But then also say we should be signing him now vs later because he will demand more money.

If he has no value now, what value will he have on a bigger, longer contract? Seems like even more negative, right? So why rush into that?

Oh I’m not saying that for myself. I don’t care what they do with RJ.

I’m saying if a team believes in a player, they extend him as soon as possible to avoid any headaches or what ifs.

If we continue to look like a bottom 5 team without RJ, RJ and his agent can just say “y’all were going to wait until my contract year to offer me an extension? I’ll just wait until FA hits and have the full leverage”

That’s just me thinking what I’d do if I was a FO or in RJ’s camp. Me personally? I’d use him, IQ or Ingram in a consolidation trade to get an upgrade as soon as possible.