PG: The Immanuel Quickley Show

[TheGeneral99]

I think Quickley is best suited as a 6th man scorer similar to Lou Will, very good player but he's not a true PG.

As we see he's quite streaky, goes hot and cold very easily.

[Tor_Raps]

He also provides 20+ points on meh efficiency.

We need his skill set, but he’s been far from great.

The argument was whether hes been great, its whether him and Barnes have clearly been the 2 best players on the team. In no way has IQ been close to Ingram in terms of overall impact this season.

Just like Demar used to take slander, there are guys on the team required to do what they do. They are often given grenade type shots all throughout the game and especially when defenses get tight at the end of games where very few are able to get off their shots.

Yeah but Demar also was proven to kind of not be all that valuable either. We benched him late in games in playoff series', traded him and won a ring, then lost the guys we traded him for, and still won 60+ games.

Ingram is very similar. He is fine. But he is not great.

I'd say there is a reasonable argument to be made that Ingram/Barnes/RJ/Quick have all been very close in impact this year (with Barnes obviously leading the pack). They all have such different strengths and weaknesses and actually compliment each other quite well. But Ingram is given a lot of grenade shots, but Ingram also takes a lot of unnecessary grenades (just like Demar did).

RJ has had a case of being slightly close to Ingram but he has missed too many games for that. The entire argument was IQ was the 2nd best raptor according to analytics and my response is thats ridiculous. Its Ingram/Scottie and then a considerable gap between the rest.

Also, no one thinks Ingram should be the 1st option on a championship team similar to Demar. Demar had to get traded and maybe one Ingram might have to get traded for us to get to the next level but at the moment, Ingram has been really good in his role. Especially taking the pressure off Scottie to do other things.

[Tor_Raps]

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Funny enough, IQ is extremely bad at doing that exactly. Most of the time, IQ gets lazy and just asks for a switch that leads to our defense breaking down.

[WWSRD]

Sooooo....I missed the game. Saw the boxscore....What like what?!....I gotta see IQ go off.

Go to Raptors.com. Watch highlights:
https://www.nba.com/raptors/videos/raptors-at-warriors-game-highlights-january-20-2026

There is 1 highlight of IQ where he hits a shot and they say its his career high. That's it. The highlights shown weren't exactly spectacular either.

IQ is GONE. They already have a trade in place and are waiting for the deadline. If this was Barnes/Ingram, they would have pieced together a highlights package of all of his buckets.

Watch on YouTube

like right here?

I'm probably reading the tea leaves in a biased way but those highlights are from the NBA.

The Raptors website is featuring highlights from the game that don't feature IQ almost at all.

In the past, when Raptor players have epic games, (and this was epic, low stakes but epic), I have seen Raptors.com post a highlight package of just that player. They didn't do that. Maybe they will today.

Nevertheless, it is odd the game highlights barely feature IQ and show some random somewhat unimpressive buckets otherwise. Like, it's not as if there were a bunch of 360 dunks they had to work in instead.


To me, this may indicate thye've received direction that the team move away from featuring IQ given his temp status with the Raptors.

Pretty standard, 'that guy gave his 2 weeks notice already so we're going to pretend like he didn't work on this project' situation.

[earthtone]

The hoops that some of y’all are jumping through to give Shead credit for IQ having an historical shooting night is wild. The only thing that Shead helped with last night was he took the assignment of defending Steph. Obviously that helps keep IQ fresh, but it’s no different than saying “IQ has less of an offensive burden when RJ (as well as Ingram and Scottie) are healthy. Just weird behaviour to always give credit to the role player off the bench instead of the guy that was on fire.

Most efficient 40 point game of all time (and had 10 assists I guess by accident since Shead was "running the offense") and its just back handed compliments. IQ gets so much flak for a team thats probably exceeding expectations considering the injuries. Its not even like his advanced stats/underlying metrics are bad either. Youd think he was playing like Malachi Flynn when he has a 1.9 EPM and 2nd on the team in VORP.

Yeah IQ has gotten way to much hate around here for absolutely no reason. His shooting woes are legit but as last night shows, this board focuses more on the #'s in the box score than anything else. You can throw all the evidence in the world they are out to lunch and they triple down.

We have gotten to the point where it is just buzzwords (He just runs the offence better!) with absolutely no basis or support.

The narrative has been so strong all season the tape doesn’t even matter.

IQ had his most FTA in a game this year (3rd most in his career) and people are saying he played well because the ball wasn’t in his hands? Our offence has been the same all year and has always featured IQ getting a significant amount of looks off screens and in transition. We built our roster with + passers/playmakers at the other 4 positions for a reason.

The difference wasn’t Shead being in the floor, it was IQ being on an absolute heater and making shots he was missing and/or hesitant to take earlier in the season.

[earthtone]

Sooooo....I missed the game. Saw the boxscore....What like what?!....I gotta see IQ go off.

Go to Raptors.com. Watch highlights:
https://www.nba.com/raptors/videos/raptors-at-warriors-game-highlights-january-20-2026

There is 1 highlight of IQ where he hits a shot and they say its his career high. That's it. The highlights shown weren't exactly spectacular either.

IQ is GONE. They already have a trade in place and are waiting for the deadline. If this was Barnes/Ingram, they would have pieced together a highlights package of all of his buckets.

Watch on YouTube

like right here?

I'm probably reading the tea leaves in a biased way but those highlights are from the NBA.

The Raptors website is featuring highlights from the game that don't feature IQ almost at all.

In the past, when Raptor players have epic games, (and this was epic, low stakes but epic), I have seen Raptors.com post a highlight package of just that player. They didn't do that. Maybe they will today.

Nevertheless, it is odd the game highlights barely feature IQ and show some random somewhat unimpressive buckets otherwise. Like, it's not as if there were a bunch of 360 dunks they had to work in instead.


To me, this may indicate thye've received direction that the team move away from featuring IQ given his temp status with the Raptors.

Pretty standard, 'that guy gave his 2 weeks notice already so we're going to pretend like he didn't work on this project' situation.

The game highlights are algorithmic and don’t have much (if any) human editing. Let alone insider info from the front office.

I’ve noticed NBA highlights are generally pretty terrible though, especially compared to MLB. If its a ‘highlight league’ like Silver said, the highlights should show the most high stakes moments and have a clear narrative for the game.

A lot of the time you can watch the highlights and completely miss a key storyline (like Quickley’s shooting last night), or some pivotal plays, especially defensive ones

[Tha Cynic]

all the analytics say that IQ has probably been our 2nd best player this year, actually.

Thats just ridiculous, Barnes and Ingram are on a level of their own.

BI hasn't been great tbh.

BI is great at attracting doubles and is our best at getting us buckets, but he’s mediocre or bad at everything else. With the way this team is constructed the need his scoring and ability to push everyone back one slot on the pecking order, but your stars need to be good defensive players unless they’re elite on offense, which Ingram is not.

[Johnny Bball]

Are there those that don't think any of the issues with the league worst offence has at all to do with who's playing PG? I think i'm defending IQ by noting that we play him out of position and how he looks much better when taken off the ball - but you think that's not true and Quickley has been playing down for essentially half the season because that's just how he plays?

I don't think we'll see this performance every night, but I do think we'll get better overall production out of IQ freeing him up. If we're already seeing the best of IQ and this is just some random outlier, that's not an encouraging look.

Since the worst offense is Indiana, and Haliburton is hurt, they would probably say it has something to do with the point. Otherwise exaggerating to league worst is pointless rhetoric.

My bad I see today that we’re 23rd. Swap out worst for 23rd worst, same point.

19th. and its not the same. At all.

[tsherkin]

That was fun to watch, except for the part where we tried to lose late, heh. Scottie was great early. IQ was great all night. Lots of good stuff in this one.

[WWSRD]

Watch on YouTube

like right here?

I'm probably reading the tea leaves in a biased way but those highlights are from the NBA.

The Raptors website is featuring highlights from the game that don't feature IQ almost at all.

In the past, when Raptor players have epic games, (and this was epic, low stakes but epic), I have seen Raptors.com post a highlight package of just that player. They didn't do that. Maybe they will today.

Nevertheless, it is odd the game highlights barely feature IQ and show some random somewhat unimpressive buckets otherwise. Like, it's not as if there were a bunch of 360 dunks they had to work in instead.


To me, this may indicate thye've received direction that the team move away from featuring IQ given his temp status with the Raptors.

Pretty standard, 'that guy gave his 2 weeks notice already so we're going to pretend like he didn't work on this project' situation.

The game highlights are algorithmic and don’t have much (if any) human editing. Let alone insider info from the front office.

I’ve noticed NBA highlights are generally pretty terrible though, especially compared to MLB. If its a ‘highlight league’ like Silver said, the highlights should show the most high stakes moments and have a clear narrative for the game.

A lot of the time you can watch the highlights and completely miss a key storyline (like Quickley’s shooting last night), or some pivotal plays, especially defensive ones

Did not know these were centrally generated by a algorithim that values name-brand and specific types of plays. This explains it. Thank you earthtone.

[Tha Cynic]

Great game from IQ....Warriors are horrible but we needed that win....

I totally expect IQ to have his normal game against the Kings though....But i hope he has a big stretch of games before the deadline so we can potentially sell high on him. I like IQ but hes not a starting PG in the NBA....If he puts up Wilt type numbers from now on i could be wrong though.

A normal game from IQ would be shooting the 3 at around 38% on volume, with a TS% around 57%, and a top 2 or 3 impact on the team.

Yeah, I’ll take that.

[LoveMyRaps]

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It's vital to get IQ some good catch n shoot looks to help get him in rhythm early.

None of that off-the-dribble or pull up nonsense to start off. He can attempt those once he's hot.

IQ can be so, sooo good if he's utilized correctly.

[Duffman100]

grumpiest 26-19 fanbase ever?

[Kingsway_fan]

grumpiest 26-19 fanbase ever?

Lol. True. As a day 1 season ticket holder through 2003... what a change...

[YogurtProducer]

RJ has had a case of being slightly close to Ingram but he has missed too many games for that. The entire argument was IQ was the 2nd best raptor according to analytics and my response is thats ridiculous. Its Ingram/Scottie and then a considerable gap between the rest.

I mean it is true. Analytically our team is IQ --> Barnes --> RJ --> Ingram

I think Barnes is kind of unarguable as our best player this year, but Ingram really hasn't been "that" much better than IQ and RJ that there is no discussion on who the 2nd best has been.

Does Ingram take the hardest shots? Yep. Does Ingram make shots IQ + RJ cant? Also yep.

But there are two sides of the floor, and a lot more to basketball than just PPG. Ingram has the most PPG on the team, but he also has been the least efficient of the 4, the worst playmaker (maybe that is RJ), the worst defender, and also the most turnover prone.

But I would say our first course of business if we are ever in a "trade for a star" phase is to move Ingram, not IQ or RJ. Ingram is not good enough offensively to offset his defense, and that gets to be even more of a problem if he goes down the pecking order.

[Duffman100]

grumpiest 26-19 fanbase ever?

Lol. True. As a day 1 season ticket holder through 2003... what a change...

Yup! ha. This season's win % is still trending better than 1st and best Colangelo season

[Boogie!]

Raptors can play really well against teams not loaded with bigs. Playing against tall teams is still an issue that needs addressing.

The issue is we can’t shoot consistently so when teams clog the paint with bigs, we don’t have guys that can score from the outside to make them pay. We also don’t have guys that can routinely break their man off the dribble and are good at finishing in traffic. You look at Barnes for example who did great at finishing against the warriors undersized defense, but when he has more resistance with size at the rim he struggles. It also helps that quickley made almost all of his 3s and Ingram had a good shooting night. If quickley and Ingram can shoot more consistently on a night to night basis that will help against teams with more size inside as well.

Add to the fact that we’re missing Rj who is one of our best scorers inside, in transition and at drawing fouls.

[YogurtProducer]

Great game from IQ....Warriors are horrible but we needed that win....

I totally expect IQ to have his normal game against the Kings though....But i hope he has a big stretch of games before the deadline so we can potentially sell high on him. I like IQ but hes not a starting PG in the NBA....If he puts up Wilt type numbers from now on i could be wrong though.

A normal game from IQ would be shooting the 3 at around 38% on volume, with a TS% around 57%, and a top 2 or 3 impact on the team.

Yeah, I’ll take that.

I think it wouldn't be crazy if IQ's yearend TS% is closer to 60% than it is to 57%.

[DG88]

Best game by far from IQ as a Raptor.

[Tor_Raps]

RJ has had a case of being slightly close to Ingram but he has missed too many games for that. The entire argument was IQ was the 2nd best raptor according to analytics and my response is thats ridiculous. Its Ingram/Scottie and then a considerable gap between the rest.

I mean it is true. Analytically our team is IQ --> Barnes --> RJ --> Ingram

I think Barnes is kind of unarguable as our best player this year, but Ingram really hasn't been "that" much better than IQ and RJ that there is no discussion on who the 2nd best has been.

Does Ingram take the hardest shots? Yep. Does Ingram make shots IQ + RJ cant? Also yep.

But there are two sides of the floor, and a lot more to basketball than just PPG. Ingram has the most PPG on the team, but he also has been the least efficient of the 4, the worst playmaker (maybe that is RJ), the worst defender, and also the most turnover prone.

But I would say our first course of business if we are ever in a "trade for a star" phase is to move Ingram, not IQ or RJ. Ingram is not good enough offensively to offset his defense, and that gets to be even more of a problem if he goes down the pecking order.

Theres a reason why analytics for the most part havent taken off in basketball like baseball, its just too hard to quantify in a team sport.

I can easily say Barnes is 1 and Ingram is 2 on our team with no one else even in the discussion either to due performance or injuries. This isnt even debatable to me lol.